Lee’s films touched a lot of different peoples who felt, and justifiably so, like they were treated as an underclass. They had similar signs in England but replace Chinese with Irish and Blacks.
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Yeah, I don’t know where brick is getting his info from, but only China really has a beef with the US for obvious reasons. Maybe some muslims as well.
People in Asia love US media. British shows, especially comedies have humor too dry for our tastes.
Racially Chinese people and others in Asia countries are sore at the West in general. The US is like almost last on their list.
Well you offered one explanation. Maybe BrickHead has a good alternative. Too bad he doesn’t feel comfortable to expand upon his ideas.
I started reading the article on filial piety. Didn’t read it all but the main tenant of it was respect your parents.
To quote the article directly:
“Filial piety has been defined by several scholars as the recognition by children of the aid and care their parents have given them, and the respect returned by those children.”
That is pretty big in the middle east as well. Maybe not to the same degree but certainly orders of magnitude more than in the west.
So why is the middle east low trust and China high trust but the west still higher trust than the middle east?
Probably multiple societal attributes contributing to developing high trust societies.
Maybe there are other aspects of Confucianism that you didn’t mention and filial piety is just one of them.
Maybe there is an evolutionary component to it. Genetically/behaviourally they are more predisposed to working together in groups and adhering to the rules of hierarchies. I wonder if thats ever been considered? That could be interesting. Just searched NCBI couldn’t find any articles on anything like that haha big suprise.
I wonder how the Uyghur and Tibetan people would respond if asked questions about societal trust.
America, not the West.
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Are you saying:
Absent or decreased filial piety or in other words lack of respect to ones elders is endemic to America but not in other Western European communities? Or that the Middle East embraces it more than America but not Western Europe?
That was the reason I cited for your remark about “collective culture”. It also states to ELDERS, meaning I have to respect anyone older than me and address him as “uncle” solely due to the fact that he’s a lot older than me even if I don’t know him.
It also extends to people in positions of authority in application. I said it cannot be attributed to the fact that China is an ex-socialist country because Chinese people around the world mostly got out before the commies won.
I said the “trust in the government” part is mostly due to the fact that all news media is STATE OWNED. It’s like saying “the sky is blue” and “water is wet”, dude.
The part about the “low crime rate” in China was also addressed. It’s BULLSHIT. You go to a restaurant for a meal just 10 years ago and the waiter would put place some sort of cover over your jacket if you left it on your chair while you went to the toilet even if you had others with you still sitting at the table. You know why? Because the odds of some dipshit simply taking it was high enough for this to be a common practice in Guangzhou and Shenzhen(not encountered this in other parts of China). Just imagine how often this had to be happening everywhere for it to become some sort of common, unspoken practice.
@oglebee
Recommended reading:
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Who do you all think is supplying the bulk of fentanyl to the US? Hint: It ain’t Mexico. Nor the Golden Triangle.
I know who. No, it’s not Mexico.
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Same place where I hypothetically got my roids from after 2010 even though I can get them cheaper from India and Malaysia. China has better quality. Some shit is OVERDOSED. I’ve hypothetically sent one vial of test for a lab test before. They NOW understand the concept of customer retention because of capitalism lol.
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I gotta delete lots of posts here because of potential risk. Couldn’t do it yesterday because I exceeded my “edit limit” or something. Nothing personal, ok?
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Crap. Still have to wait 9 hours to delete 2 more.
Def will give it a read.
Ill buy it on my iPad that’s made in China.
Although, I am currently reading Frank Herbert’s Dune. I read so many damn work related texts/journals that I struggle to read non fiction these days.
I read the synopsis. I think it will shed some light on observations I’ve made in last couple years when I started thinking about these questions.
I’ve been telling my girl that we need to settle down in the midwest/southwest rural community where I suspect the America of yesteryear still exist.
Published in 2001 I see. Before smart phones, facebook, instagram, twitter (But not before T-Nation haha). I wonder what the author would have to say now.
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If the book was where all this stuff about China and Sweden was derived or cites “studies” like the one posted, I would take it with a grain of salt. I actually did check after my reply to you yesterday and Sweden does have mandatory military service.
It states service is for 9-12 months so I guess that’s sufficient.
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Maybe try it in the US.
Snowflakes will no longer be snowflakes.
Some of the people who think right-wing authoritarianism is fun will have a nice surprise too on day 1 of bootcamp.
Win-win situation, if you ask me.
When I read it an let you know.
We were discussing Sweden Vs. China. I thought it was interesting because according that article posted both high trust but to me interesting because they seem very different cultures/societies to me. SO are they high trust for same reasons or different reasons was what I was curious about.
I am guessing you are saying they are high trust for same reasons and similar because both have mandatory conscription?
I’m just saying it could be one of the factors. You can’t simplify this kind of stuff just to suit a preferred narrative. Comparing different countries based on racial demographics, culture, geography, history etc is pretty complex.
Chinese people were ruled by Emperors until 1911. It was so fucking absurd the Last Emperor was ordained when he was a 2 year old kid because the Emperor(and all Emperors) was supposed to be the “Son of Heaven” so his son naturally had to succeed him when he died.
It wasn’t even close to what one might call to a “Constitutional Monarchy”.
The country was literally ruled by EUNUCHS and an Empress who was just a crazy whore.
" An eunuch named Wei Zhinganxian for all intents and purposes ran China in the 1620s as did eunuchs when the Qing dynasty finally collapsed in 1911."
Hence the uprising due this dude:
They were already receptive to a totalitarian system, just without the Qing government and the monarchy. A commie dictatorship wasn’t too far off at the start, although it really fucked up during the Cultural Revolution.
The Nationalist Party(KMT) fled and formed Taiwan after they lost to the commies. Formed a parliamentary democracy. Sounded pretty good, right?
Then they went through 38 years of MARTIAL LAW.
People normally conveniently leave this part out.
You know which country thrived in that area during that era? It was Hong Kong while under British rule. Factors included geography and trade policies. British parliamentary and legal system, separation of powers and all that. It was not called the “Pearl of the Orient” in the past for nothing.
Is British culture superior to all?
Singapore is a First World, multi-cultural country, with Chinese people being the majority race. People are only unhappy today because of limited land space and too much immigration has driven property prices to ludicrous levels only matched by Hong Kong, and allegedly taken away their jobs in the banking and tech sectors.
No one was whining prior to the 2000s when it was essentially the same racial ratio. And the immigrants(not counting migrant workers doing hard labor whom are housed in special dorms far away from the local population) are mostly CHINESE.
There are lots of things that simply cannot just be looked at from one angle. That’s all I’m saying.
I mean, we ALL can discuss these things freely and it’s no problem. We all learn shit from one another.
But when you read literature or even watch youtube bums who seem like they know lots of shit and try to sell a particular ideology or anything similar based on “fact” and “evidence” and “studies”, just take all that shit with a grain of salt.
China doesn’t have mandatory conscription. That’s Taiwan. You have to PAY to get into the military in China,
“One journalist purportedly seeking admission to the PLA for their son was quoted a price of 80-90,000 Yuan (about USD 16,000), although the amount would vary considerably depending on a family’s connections”
It’s definitely more prevalent in the US. Maybe, one possible reason is religion. Much of Europe was/is Catholic while the US was founded by Protestants. This is off the subject but slavery under Catholics was not as harsh as under Protestants. It does show a different overall outlook on people.
Also, in many European nations people still use formal terms of address with strangers and people who are older.
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I am not convinced we should respect (take advice, take orders from) people just because they are old. I am not saying we should be a dick to old people, but that we shouldn’t necessarily have place more merit on their opinions because they are old (plenty of dumb old people). I am also not saying someone shouldn’t be respected because they are old if they have earned it.
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Do you have them fill out a questionnaire to decide if they have earned respect according to your standards? The fact that it is a human being is not enough for them to have “earned” it? This is what I mean by America having this problem and not Western societies as a whole. You treat elderly people with respect because that’s how you expect others to teat your grandparents or parents. You treat women with respect because that’s how you expect others to treat your wife, mother, sister, etc. What a self-centered and narcissistic society to expect people to earn your respect before giving it. We will all get old.
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I have limited experience and observations among people in Europe. I was thinking more of UK and I was going to add France and Germany. But then I realized I don’t even speak those languages so I have nothing to really substantiate that claim on.
This is how I was raised in the states. I did not think it was that uncommon. Anyone older than me by certain number a years is sir and ma’am. A habit that persists even to this day.
I still think this exists in the US. When I make my way back to the States it will most certainly be in the Southwest or Midwest and more rural than urban.
This reminds me of every younger person who takes an older person not as seriously as they should. Whether it be them being disrespectful or not paying them their full undivided attention. You have no idea what that person has done in their life. Who they were. What tragedies they’ve endured. What triumphs they’ve had. Automatically assume its more than you and show them some courtesy.