I’m pretty sure it’s not racist if you compliment every race equally…
You concluded why he’s popular, which is fine. I simply inferred that he is by saying he’s socially acceptable.
He is controversial because he provides some good red pills and advice. But he doesn’t go all the way with some things which those who know better understand or know of anyway.
Seriously, there is something likable or admirable about many groups, I believe. There are even some things … I like in… uh… ahem… (cough)… trying to get this out… Islam. 
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Let’s take a moment and remind ourselves we’re just having a nice conversation even though we’re debating a topic, ok? 
This isn’t facebook or twitter lol,
I may or may not live in the most diverse country in the world dude(not gonna say more). Making a very very general statement here: The Chinese are the majority race. Lots of them are whiny, hate you when you’re more well off then them, CALL THE COPS to report a criminally seditious act when they read something on facebook that offends them(I SWEAR I’m not making this up and it’s happened MULTIPLE times over the years. You see why I’m even more careful than you when it comes to my online identity?) and blame all their failings on the government and spend all their time complaining about mundane nonsense in casual conversations and discussing what new freebies the government is handing out and how foreigners are taking over local jobs they don’t even want to do themselves. It’s the minorities like the Indians who are the driven ones. I’ve been lambasted and had my morality questioned before many times just because I live in private property instead of the majority who live in government apartments(it’s a social class thing).
They do stupid shit like post a picture of a Mercedes momentarily stopping near a bus stop online for a passenger to alight and thousands of people start commenting about how evil rich people and completely devoid of morals are as if the average person doesn’t do the same thing.
Oh, we had gangs with numbers in their names which had international connections and long histories dating back to the Qing dynasty rebels(not where I live now). I even had to affiliate myself with one of them to avoid getting into trouble at school and memorized a couple of different gang “poems” in case I walked into the wrong “territory”. Every day there would be fights are coffee shops and youth gang members at school would arrange gang clashes at a specific time after school. There were even rules when people wanted to fight one on one. A lit cigarette as a time limit in place of a joss stick lol.
It’s why I took up weight lifting but most of the guys doing it were Indians, half of which were a little crazy. Every weekend they’d get drunk, fight, then boast about it on Monday and proudly show off their injuries lol.
Shit, I’m not even beginning to scratch the surface here regarding the amount of nonsense that went down where I lived.
The thing is, while I agree with some things Jordan Peterson says, sometimes he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about especially when it comes to how religion is really practiced in the East.
And Chinese people are also not the same culturally in different parts of the world. I don’t have very much in common with people from certain parts of CHINA. If you put me in a foreign land with an Indian and a China person from Shandong, I’d end up hanging out with the Indian.
And even in China, different provinces developed differently culturally because of the hukou system, which restricted movement between provinces. People from Shenzhen are the biggest assholes I’ve ever met in the world while people in Jiangxi are as nice as the Thais.
It could be my conviction. But it would be wrong. I think we’re all individuals. There are good parts to every culture and it’s dependent on the individuals who decide to practice them. There are extremely shitty parts too that people don’t mention or don’t even know when promoting them. I’m influenced by lots of different cultures, including S.E Asian versions of Islam.
And here’s something interesting: Indonesian modern Muslim women don’t even bother with wearing hijabs anymore and were laughing at the Muslims in France when all that shit about hijabs made international news a few years ago.
The CCP is currently promoting some kind of highly modified version of “traditional” Chinese culture to heighten the peoples’ nationalist sentiments because they realize they need globalization to survive and this serves as a balance. I’m really not sure it’s going to end well even though I think there are some real geniuses working at the top.
Which brings me further to another point. In China, the top people want to join the government, which is why the CCP is so damn effective. They have the top talent. In other Asian countries, the people regard government jobs as inferior and have the impression that you only join them if you can’t make it in the “real world” lol. So much stuff here I could write a bloody book lol.
“Modern Muslim” is a loaded term, but I’ve met educated professional (Indonesian) Muslim women that did wear hijabs. It’s not required by law in Indonesia and not all do.
Laughing about hijabs tho?? You may have seen that from several women that have “Islam” as their religion on their government ID, I highly doubt that would be the typical Muslim response in Indonesia or anywhere.
Btw many Muslim women wear hijab only when they pray or go to the masjid. I doubt you knew that but if you did this would have been misleading.
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Ok, here’s the thing:
NOBODY in Asia calls themselves Asians. It like “what do you call a Brazilian nut in Brazil”. We identify by races or nationalities.
The different people in different countries can have vastly different cultures. And there are, of course, complete assholes like the group you mentioned and some Vietnamese who fled during the 70’s and 80’s although I would argue that they didn’t even practice “Asian” culture", but, rather, “commie black market culture” because of immense poverty.
Because most Asian countries are poor. Not the same where I live.
I’m not talking about China.
And in China, it depends. There are strict laws but they aren’t ENFORCED because of the amount of corruption at all levels. There are still high profile gangs operating there and I’ve seen people openly snort cocaine and use some sort of liquid ecstacy at high end nightclubs.
You go to a high end sleazy club in Chengdu, the mamasan(lead hostess) will make lots of girls stand in a line for you to pick out. Then they join you for drinks in private rooms and let you finger them. Blowjobs and sex are charged separately. I used to have to take clients to these clubs both at home and in China all the time I even had a rolodex full of namecards of the good mamasans in different clubs lol.
This reeducation camp thing is over blown in the context of suppression of rights of the average China person.
You need to understand that The Uyghur situation is both a political thing and a religious extremist thing. There’s not only contention about the territory, the Muslim radicals and separatists there have been verified by other countries to have been at least partly funded and supported by the former Al Qaeda and the Turkish National Something I can’t remember and committed a series of terrorist attacks in Chinese states, also verified internationally.
As for organ harvesting, remember I posted a link for you showing the fuckers who started it? They’ve all been purged.
Under Xi, this would NEVER be a top down order since China is opening up to globalization and international relations are increasingly important to them. I’d bet a lot of money it was a couple of middle ranking assholes acting independently to make a quick buck.
I’m not defending the CCP in the least bit. I’m simply telling you that the situation is an extremely complex one.
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Well, it’s accurate from what I’ve seen but I’m willing to reconsider and dig a little deeper since you brought this up. I certainly could be wrong. But, generally, I don’t really think about all these issues too much, just giving you my observations and what I’ve heard from people I’ve known very well.
The laughing was real, though. And these were pious Muslims. But I think it was more of laughing at it becoming a political thing.
I also admit I know very little about Islam as a religion(you notice I always use the word “culture” when I describe it where applicable) since my Muslim friends will openly discuss any other religion in the world but not Islam, but rather certain cultural practices here which I’ve participated in. They’re pretty cool and the food is excellent.
Yeah probably sampling bias
Could you link the video to that if you remember it?
Speaking of reading in between the lines.
When I finally connected some fo the dots with JP and it was a bit of a watershed. And it became glaringly obvious why the modern left/progressives/whatever you want to call him hate him.
Even I had a hard time accepting it.
Increased financial compensation is associated with cognitively complex jobs.
Cognitively complex jobs are acquired by the cognitively capable.
If certain aspects of life achievement and outcome are dependent on finances and you apply the findings of Charles Murray well then equity is a pipe dream that will never naturally manifests itself when all things are made equal.
He hasn’t done any debates or discussions since his detox. Asides from the hour long update he did on his daughters podcast.
He didn’t detox with experimental drugs. He detoxed with an unconventional treatment.
But as far as drugs go. They gave him typical general anaesthetics and intubated him. Which is likely why he subsequently developed bilateral pneumonia.
So normal drugs. They are just not indicated for benzo withdrawal treatment.
Also, I agree he rose to mainstream prominence among controversy. But many people get 15 minutes of fame from their controversy then quickly fade away as the next thing comes along.
Yeah, Peterson didn’t fade away. JP and his ideas captivated an entire group of people. Who arguably were being neglected and cast aside. Thats substantial.
And he is at the apex of his field. He is not just some random who said a few things. The man was an associated professor at Harvard for some time. That should speak for itself.
I’ve never seen a person with the verbal fluidity he has. It is simply amazing.
That debate was before his detox. Not after. I have not watched that one but just for the record before not after.
He went into detox at end of 2019 beginning of 2020 I believe.
You should debate him.
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I genuinely cannot even fathom pious Muslims laughing about it.
My first instinct is to wonder if pious to you might mean barely/almost/somewhat practicing to me.
I was invited but declined going for drinks with some co-workers once. I said it’s cuz I’m Moslem, the guy immediately mentioned that he knew some Muslims that drink alcohol, “I didn’t know there’s extremists like that around here”, he says of me when I’m still in the room.
Actually, it was ONLY me and him in the room… awkward silence … don’t remember what happened next, hahaha
To some people not staying out late drinking alcohol and instead waking up early sometimes for morning prayer looks super pious. Someone else would have said I wasn’t even Muslim since I wasn’t praying all of the five daily prayers with enough consistency or spent very little time in the masjid.
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Ok, look, I’ve already admitted that I don’t knew much about the religion itself and I’m just rationalizing things with what limited knowledge I have for the sake of conversation so If I’m wrong, I mean no offense. I’m not going to phone my friends and ask, “Hey remember when you were laughing at that thing in France involving hijabs? Can you tell me exactly why cos I need to give someone I know online an answer.” lol.
When I say pious, I mean they go to the mosques on Friday and engage in prayers daily at sun set(is it sun set? I can’t remember) and go through the fasting month.
Are exorcisms and shamans part of Islam or are these cultural practices by certain Muslim groups depending on different countries? Because I’ve participated in 2, one of which involved me having to restrain the “possessed” person.
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Probably a mix of both
Edit: there is things to do with it from strictly Muslim sources, but often the practitioners are mixing cultural things.
I could link a few videos from a guy that learned from an exorcist in Medina, that instantly comes to mind. It might be interesting but might be too many of the not as interesting kind of details - he didn’t get into any specific stories and just described his opinions and experiences at a high level
Yeah, that’s the most visible one because there’s a short window of time for it. There are 5 every day tho
It’s cool, no offense taken or meant, I didn’t know if you were talking famous people or friends or what
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@oglebee
Here: On the so-called "Jewish Question" | Jordan Peterson
He stated we have a higher mean IQ. And like, ya know what’s implied when the word higher is used, right?
Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Soviet communist history knows why Peterson didn’t answer that question someone in an audience asked him about Solzhenitsyn, who he seems to admire a lot.
@dt79 I know. We’re just talking about topics and debating a bit. Nothing here is with bad intentions or to insult people. I will try to respond later to what you wrote.
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They are not insane like MS-13, but yeah there is some Vietnamese organized crime groups around here, they used to control a lot of the weed business and they sell heroin and who knows what else.
Except there are hundreds of thousands of Uighurs in camps, they can’t all be terrorists or there would have been much more conflict already.
Born to Kill aka Canal St. Boys, Vietnamese NY gang, was pretty brutal in NYC back in the day.
Speaking of antisemitism… How about Cuomo and DeBlasio? Let’s here it for these guys overtly targeting the Jewish community in New York City, who now have become Trump supporters. Well they damn sure ain’t gonna support BeBlasio or Cuomo, so it stands to reason…
*"He said he was meeting directly with Orthodox leaders on Tuesday to seek their help with getting people to comply with the rules.
Cuomo said if the religious leaders don’t agree to enforce social distancing rules, including mask wearing, he will shut them down.
He specifically referenced recent mass gatherings involving members of Orthodox Jewish communities that he said numbered in the thousands.
‘We know mass gatherings are the super spreader events. We know there have been mass gatherings going on in these communities for weeks,’ Cuomo said.
'These clusters have to be attacked. Stamp them out immediately and dramatically.
‘If you do not agree to follow the rules, then we will close the institutions down. I am prepared to do that.’"*
Stamp out religion? Particularly Judaism? A little brazen, isn’t it?
And the inevitable reaction:
Let’s have a round of applause for Cuomo and DeBlasio! 
Could this be anymore fucked up?
#yesitreallycanhappenhere
Pretty please with sugar on top, do tell… Which ones? Or just pick one. I want to see what Peterson said using faulty reasoning.
Okay, this will require me to watch some of his debates again. I remember there was a few instances of him using fallacious reasoning, but I will have to watch again to find the examples and accurately portray them.
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I really don’t know what’s going on there. All I know is there is a small minority of religious radicals whom are part of a broader separatist movement. Only the CCP knows what’s really happening.
What I was saying is that the shit going down in Xinjiang is an extreme situation and does not reflect how normal people in China are governed.
No, it does not affect how the normal Chinese are governed. But it affects how the Uighurs are governed. And I don’t know if they were radical or not. I do know that what they are doing to them is over the top and horrible. Even if they were radicals at least the kids aren’t and they are in these camps too. Small or not, separatist or not, radical or not, they don’t deserve this.
You bet. Perhaps Disney too, since they were in the region filming ‘Mulan’.
I got a question for you. What do you think of Dr. Li-megn Yan? You think she’s full of shit or she’s on to something? Her mother was arrested by the CCP.
And I never said otherwise.
I have no idea who she is.