Human life is an ambiguous term.
Tell a grizzly bear that when he is about to eat you alive. If we had inherent value then nature should recognize it.
Ok, so need for the elaborate arguments. They, human lives in the womb, just inconvenience us. We can do it. We want to. Do it. All human life, at any stage of development, is disposable if we want.
No need to try to figure out an argument to excuse the immorality of it. Nothing is immoral. Can it achieve some goal based on our own desire? Can we enforce it?
So, I choose to be pro life anyways as thereās no inherent right to abortion and no objective moral wrong in trying to change the law to strictly pro life . And pro-life makes me happy.
Exactly. It could eat even a 44 year old adult. Or, a 10 year old child.
History has shown us that. Itās showing us that now with Covid.
Then nothing is moral.
Do you want a cookie?
They could also eat the bear.
Exactly. Observing the right to choose isnāt moral, either.
We can only do what makes each of us most comfortable and try to shape the world us if we have the power to enforce our desires.
Or each other.
What do you mean by this? I donāt think this proves any contract?
You are currently inconsistent in your beliefs. You donāt need to be consistent if you donāt want to be, but stop pretending to be. Asserting a contract or lease that happens when a women had sex does not prove that you are right. You need to prove that contract. Feeling like there should be a contract is irrelevant.
If youāre weak I could see how that would be choice number one.
ā Weakāsounds subjective. Meh.
Go to the weight room, weights donāt lie.
And risk the covid?!
Weights donāt get Covid.
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How so?
You say we own ourselves but also God owns us. Which is it?
To jump into it. God owns us and imparts some amount of stewardship on his behalf.
Outside of that ownership of a person is just about what you can enforce at any given time.
Abolitionists had no moral argument as slavers did have a legal right to their slaves. And the slaves were mistaken in their belief that they had some inherent right to self ownership. They never did, and never will, have moral ownership of their lives. Just an example.
Ownership is simply about what can be enforced at that moment.
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You feel that we are self owning entities. Yet you claim with pregnancy another gets claim to anotherās body by a contract you assert.
Just to remind you, I donāt think killing the unborn should be part of the abortion process unless needed for medical reasons. The unborn can live or die outside the womb.
Why is it a concern at all? Depending on development dismemberment of the limbs surely kills it anyways while in the womb, right? Or, can it live through the dismemberment long enough to be extracted? Like that?
Because many would say that the act of killing the unborn justifies the woman losing her personal self owning right (autonomy). If the unborn are left to live or die on their own, there is no killing. Just letting nature take itās course.
But without dismemberment that could often be uncomfortable for the woman, no?
Maybe it could be dismembered and still survive long enough to die in the bio hazard bag, tray, whatever, achieving the goal still. Not sure.