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Not the person you are asking but I am presuming this is somewhat of a logical conclusion. I mean all Abrahamic religions are very similar and all preach Monotheism. Regardless of your religious path we all die and that is when either:

  • We are just dead and there is no god. All paths brought us to the same god, a non-existent one
  • God exists and all religions except one are proven wrong. All paths bring us in front of the same one true god
  • God exists and all religions got it wrong. All paths bring us to this one true god

I think we all agree regardless of religious beliefs that when we die we wonā€™t be divided into our religions and sent to ā€˜Muslim godā€™ ā€œJewish godā€™ 'Christian godā€ because the key part of those different religions is there is only one god

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2746

Thatā€™s not the main focus of Judaism, Christianity or Islam.

While focusing on our differences can do that, some focus on differences is also necessary to create or improve harmony

Itā€™s a bit extreme to say that Judaism, Christianity, Islam or any ism are unacceptable since they allow people to focus on differences. Try and be more tolerantā€¦

You seem to contradict yourself a bit

Is there only one Path or multiple?

You might mean self-righteousness bcuz if there is such a thing as karma wouldnā€™t that make righteousness to be whatever makes karmic balance?

A wave can be more than one place at the same time as can a person in some sense, and it can feel very good. A particle cannot.

I believe in karma without the usual meaning of samsara - but there are ego deaths that work well enough in metaphor. Better even because I can work on myself with personal experience rather than working on nothing with superstition or legend. But those are not my focus.

When I asked you last time about the wrong path, I was just curious, hoping to get a helpful clue, not a trap. But it did seem a little out of character for you at the time, so I thought it might help you too.

Now you seem to tell me Iā€™m on the unacceptable path that isnā€™t wrong but karmically toxic and which is also the same path as everything else. Well thanks for the complements I guess!

I have to warn, more is usually at stake than meets the eye. Donā€™t waste waviness aimlessly arguing over particle stuff - youā€™d not want to fall into particleness without purpose, itā€™s not fun. Thatā€™s not my trap this time either, but a risk.

2747

Thought a bit of comedy fit well here in the context of different religions and the conflicts between them.

2748

Iran is Persian and they hate the shit out of Jews. But I obviously cannot speak for every Muslim. I just have stats and personal experience to go by.

2749

With regards to the amount of people you arenā€™t paying attention. When Alexa first came out. If you asked who Mohamed was, she would say a great prophet of Islam. If you asked who Jesus Christ was, she would answer that he was a myth many people believe in. No shit. There are even old videos of people doing the experiment. Obviously they had to change it.

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Alexa didnā€™t want to be decapitated.

There are plenty of people who criticize Islam. Most people outside of the religion recognize there is some stupid shit going on. Honor killings, required outfits for women, not eating baconā€¦ Most people Iā€™ve met arenā€™t afraid to say something about it if asked.

Yeah, people arenā€™t just coming up to me and going ā€œyou know whatā€™s fucked up, Islamā€.

There are days dedicated to insulting Islam. Draw Mohamed day is a thing.

2751

Obviously cannot dispute personal experience and also us having different personal experiences is again likely. But regarding stats I think they all show that Iran donā€™t hate the shit out of Jews. Many Jewish leaders in Iran claim they are left to practice their religion alone.

Iran however 100% hates the shit out of Israel.

If you were to view Israel and Jews as one and the same then yeah I agree there is a Universal hate of Israel/ Jews in the Islamic world. Anyone who disputes that is just ignoring facts to defend their religion.

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Sure. I used to be one of them. I decided to quit and rethink all that. I will criticize people and actions, but the faith I leave alone.

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2753

You specify a difference, but if someone else were to persist in not recognizing that difference, you precertify that then a random Muslim is the one who is just ignoring facts

:thinking:

Interesting

I never thought of it like that

2754

Out of curiosity do you think it is accurate to say " there is a near universal hate for Israel in the Islamic world"?

2755

On a scale of 1 to 10, I would ā€œrateā€ the accuracy of that statement at somewhere between 6 and 8

6 seems a bit low at first look, but hate is a strong word, and so is universal

If the entire Muslim world had actual hate for Israel, then there would be none of one or the other on the planet, at all. What we have instead is a bunch of violence and tension.

Near universal dislike, even a strong dislike is common, but hate is far from universal in my opinion

That 6-8 rating is actually artificially high for diplomacy. Itā€™s a false statement. The reality is that you donā€™t like the average Muslims view of Israel. You can give as much attention to the most extreme people as you want without lying. Making false claims of the mean, median, mode and range is wrong, regardless of how messed up people are at the extremes.

Out of curiosity, how accurate on a scale of 1 to 10 do you consider your statement?

Also out of curiosity, do you hate the average Muslim? Do you see the problem I tried to point out in your post? If the average Muslim were to exert the same kind of truthfulness, laziness and loyalty to another more hateful Muslim in random conversations regarding Israel, would that be hate??

2756

I think there is, or a general disapproval. I wish I could discuss why, but I canā€™t online.

Can anyone come up with a solution for this, if one is even needed? No, they canā€™t. Hence why I canā€™t sympathize with the concern for this, even as a Jew myself. Hate is one of the 27 emotions. Anyone know how to tame emotions amongst billions of people through outside interference? I suppose itā€™s possible through colonization or invasion and scientific brainwashing for the natives.

I donā€™t think Iā€™m hatable individually but I avoid hate of my kind by not going where Iā€™m not welcome. So I wonā€™t move to the Arab world.

As a Jew, Iā€™ve sometimes wondered why many non-Jews, particularly white Americans, because they seem to be the foremost concerned demographic, are more concerned with Jewish matters than I am.

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2757

Brick, you have an awesome physique.

2758

Thank you! Itā€™s an old photo though. @tlgains

Iā€™ve since downgraded to moderately fit, middle-aged dad. I keep old-photo avatars so I donā€™t look silly if I chime in with lifting advice. :grinning:

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I do. Because I have never heard a criticism of one without the criticism of the other. And itā€™s not just the ME. The American left seems to have great animus towards our Jewish brothers and sisters as well. And they are just saying that shit out loud now. Queue, Whoopie and her holocaust wasnā€™t about race, theory.

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My views of Israel are probably more extreme than the average Muslims so you are way off with ā€œthat realityā€

9 or 10.
But I recognize how subjective the term ā€˜Hateā€™ is.

2761

The main point I was trying to make is that a little bit of hatred can go a long way if people align themselves in a manner that multiplies itā€™s effect

Whether people align themselves that way intentionally or not

Well regardless of your motivations and however they tie into the average Muslims views itā€™s not for you to precertify my alleged dishonesty.

2762

Now you have I hope

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2764

For the people who donā€™t believe, I donā€™t blame em

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