Yes, i thought you meant any business
And the ones i mentioned had no restrictions on the capacity of people inside…at least not in my area
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Same here. I do think that better solutions could have been used for churches, that would not have forced them to close or have very reduced numbers.
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The solution was churches shouldnt have listened to that nonsense. Its like a mall security guard trying to give you a speeding ticket on the interstate, they have no authority to do so. Every priest, bishop, pastor etc should have said “No. Absolutely not.” Instead, as soon as it got hard they gave in. Worried more about tax exempt status and grant money than what is right and just.
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To alright Miami: Or maybe they agreed that bringing together a bunch of (older) people in close proximity and singing loudly was a bad idea during a black swan pandemic, so they figured out other ways to temporarily foster their congregations relationship with god.
What are you thinking? No doubt we should learn and do better if there is a next time.
Well, maybe allowing people in with masks if they take a temperature test before hand. My work did the temperature check thing. We didn’t have any super spreader events.
I think this was a situation where there was likely a middle ground between fully open, things are normal, and closed or pretty much closed. We deemed it okay for people to go to Walmart for whatever they wanted if they wore masks. Seems like something similar could have worked.
I think part of the reason for the super spreader church events was because of the complete lock down. Maybe if we just said do these things to be careful, and you can gather, and things would have worked out better. I guess if people are going to gather regardless, let’s take temps and use masks. Kinda like sex Ed, vs abstinence only. Closing everything church related was like the abstinence approach. So when gatherings did occur, often masks and temp checks weren’t used.
If you think you didn’t have a super spreader event, you ARE the super spreader event.
Not sure in which thread this belongs, so I put it in both:
Theres always a next time, it just takes a slighlty different form. Its the whole point of the 1st amendment. There will always be another emergency to justify the state’s nonsense.
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Yes. Like, in an imaginary world, it could be a cold one time and a foreign conflict the next.
Edit: And brace yourself, but I’d say the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history(edit: I mean, imaginary world U.S. history) is coming within the next few months.
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A lot of people go to church because somebody makes them, or because it’s just something they have always done. Far fewer are really invested. And mass can be boring, especially if you don’t understand, or care to understand the tradition and faith. I never really understood the Christmas and Easter Catholics. If they don’t bother the rest of the year, really what’s the point of the holiday’s? They just make it hard for the regular attendees to get seats.
I don’t see it as a bad thing, sad maybe, but not bad. Why pretend if you really don’t care and your just phoning it in anyway? At least the people there want to be there, now, for the most part.
Used to hear the term CAPE catholic. Christmas, ash wednesday, palm sunday, easter.
They cut that down to just C and E…
There are none.
That’s a dirty way of arguing. Do you believe that blame for modern day rapes by Muslims are to be placed first and foremost on Muhammad (saw)?
From your article:
Blame is to be placed – first and foremost – on the Muslim religion itself. While pornography is a significant contributing factor today, Muslim views of western women as sex objects are a tradition which can be traced back to that paragon of Muslim orthodoxy, the Prophet Mohammed, himself. Nadia Maria el-Cheikh, in the work Byzantium Viewed by the Arabs, relates a story in which Mohammed used the “white-complexioned blondes, with straight hair and blue eyes” of Byzantium to tempt a new convert to help him wage jihad against the capital of the Eastern Empire, asking him, “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” – the Arabic term used to refer to the “unbelieving Caucasians” of Byzantium and Rome. To another potential jihadi, he posed the question, “O Abu Wahb, would you not like to have scores of Byzantine women and men as concubines and servants?” to which Wahb responded:
A few paragraphs later (nothing between them describing Muhammad saw)
Does this in any way excuse the individual Muslim who commits such acts? Absolutely not. But it does help to explain why so many Muslim men view western women as fair game for sexual conquest: they learned it from their Prophet.
I see strange attempts often in Christian writings against the character of Muhammad (saw) . Strange to me at least.
Strange how it’s in the title of a many paragraphs long article, and it all rests on the above one paragraph.
asking him, “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” – the Arabic term used to refer to the “unbelieving Caucasians” of Byzantium and Rome.
“People of yellow” or
“Yellow tribe” or
“Children of yellow”
Similar to how Banu Israel is
“Children of Israel” or
“Tribe of Israel”
The entire short sentence was translated to English intentionally except for two Arabic words. When people do that … it’s usually to expound on a meaning because he wants the audience to have a more than two word translation. But he doesn’t.
The article doesn’t make much of a case in view of the severity of what’s being said. The audience is to take a lot on faith in the author it seems, or be already predisposed to thinking the worst of Muhammad (saw).
There’s often (subjective, I know) a strained attempt (also subjective) against Muhammad (saw) the man himself and I’m curious if any Christians here have ever noticed it or have any thoughts. I would have thought the straining would go the other way and Christians would just keep his (saw) name out of their mouths unless bringing their A game or, heh, “god forbid”, saying something positive
@NickViar I think you correctly avoid such things which gives me a clue that you are probably conscious of it or have noticed it.
Sloth too, but I don’t want to bother him if he’s not active on PWI currently
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How many Muslims have you met?
How many Muslims have you seen?
Do I fit either category?
You must have seen a Muslim once that you never saw again that was not in the act of showing hatred towards Jews at the time that you saw them.
You can say you’ve never met me, you can say you’ve never seen me, you can even doubt if I’m really Muslim - but I want to know if you think that I hate Jews. And if you do think so, how confident are you in that?
Also, on the topic, are there any Jews that think I hate them here?
@Jewbacca do you think I hate you? (he may have put me on ignore years ago… but I don’t think so. There’s been a weird wall between us and I don’t blame you for that. I was not humble enough to apologize for things I hadn’t done. Nor humble enough to explain that’s why I couldn’t be sorry… and that’s still not an apology and maybe not “good enough” or even decent but it’s not hate)
@BrickHead do you think I hate you?
@unreal24278 do you think I hate you?
I don’t hate any of you three, or “your people”, the Quran is pretty clear that at least some of y’all end up in heaven which means any such hatred on the part of a sincere Muslim couldn’t possibly be eternal. It would have to die eventually - why delay it?
Some of y’all do some messed up stuff sometimes tho.
As do people from any race or creed.
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No… chances are my “jewishness” wouldn’t really register on your radar if we were to meet unless we started talking about various geopolitical comflicts
Many, one of my closer friends is muslim. There are some topics we don’t discuss, no big deal.
Yes, we do. However I have nothing to do with the secular jews whose minds may have contributed towards certain revolutionary movements I dislike.
No one is perfect, the issue isn’t that black and white. A small minority of Islamic individuals have also been involved with screwed up shit
Doesn’t mean I dislike muslims
Thank you, and agreed.
I know this was directed at Pat, but I’ll chime in as unreal did. I have met and seen many Muslims. I am from Queens, NY, after all. I lived in Glen Oaks and worked in Jamaica, Queens, for years. My job was across the street from a building inhabited by mostly Muslims. I also worked as a waiter in a Persian restaurant, visited Turkey, and I regularly shop at a Middle Eastern market.
I know you don’t hate me.
That’s correct, and although I’d prefer to discuss this further, I cannot do so peacefully on this site.
I think you know by now that I don’t think there’s an anti-Semite everywhere I turn and I don’t engage in emotional blackmail by exclaiming, “You’re/that guy’s an anti-Semite,” “Hitler this/Hitler that!,” “That’s what the Nazis did/thought/said,” and on and on.
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Tons. I had a good “work friend” who was muslim. I even went to Mosque with him. Being in IT, I work primarily with brown people. We were good friends for a while, we just drifted apart due to work circumstances.
Shirley you must be joking?
Even my buddy paid lip service to saying he didn’t really hate Jews. But the the more I got to know him, the more he talked about hating Jews. Or strongly disliking them. He became more open about it over time.
Now that doesn’t mean I will paint you with the same brush, I don’t know you like I knew him. Maybe you love the Jewish people and their faith for all I know.
But you will not convince me that the vast plurality of Muslims don’t have some degree of disdain for the Jews. How many ME countries have specific charters about Jews and Israel? Like a lot of them. How many countries have expressed the desire to wipe Israel off the map and run ‘Jerusalem red with the blood of Jews’?
While it’s not big news anymore, the fact still stands that at least where the Muslim leadership is concerned, it’s a faith badly in need of reform. And there are a small subset of Muslims like Majid Nawaz, who have dedicated their life to this cause, there just aren’t many. “Death to Israel and Death to Jews” and the dreams of eradicating Israel and Jews is simply not acceptable and I won’t accept it. And many, many, many in your faith holds those views. You may not, but the numbers don’t lie.