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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

There is a rather big difference between the following two statements though Muf…

a) It has nothing to do with X
and
b) It is a problem spanning multiple administrations, of which X’s is one.

Words matter. And I doubt, contrary to the claims sometimes made on this board, any single one of us lives in a world where they don’t. (Particularly those of us who are married.)

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
See…this is problem with any “discussion” about Immigration.

People take a side…accuse the OTHER side of taking extreme positions…then we get nowhere, with everyone engaging in pissing matches.

What the President has proposed is to delay the deportation of parents of children who are citizens or have green cards; as long as the parents have been in the country for more than five years and and meet other criteria. And these criteria are VERY specific and very stringent. Contrary to the rhetoric, the President is not opening the gates for rapist, killers and thieves.

In terms of “it has nothing to do with Obama”; immigration will involve ANY President.

I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

It doesn’t matter what laws you pass, but what laws you enforce.

I have been hearing for YEARS the same horseshit about people learning English, paying a fine, the border being secured, following some process, it’s the same drivel we have been hearing for years.

But they won’t secure the border, and they won’t go after employers, they won’t implement E-Verify, they won’t end birthright citizenship, they won’t end the perks that lead these people to come here.

This is not limited to laborious work either, we are now seeing cheap workers being imported or outsouced by big tech companies through the H1B Visa scam.

Build a wall on steroids, people hated the Berlin Wall, because it worked.

Mufasa, you can’t use the illegal alien activist handbook without losing the argument.

If I break into your home while you are away at work, does that make me a member of your family ? Are you then responsible for my education and healthcare ? Do I get to eat all your food, and use your car ? Because that is the argument the open border people are making. Just get here, and you are entitled to it all.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

There is a rather big difference between the following two statements though Muf…

a) It has nothing to do with X
and
b) It is a problem spanning multiple administrations, of which X’s is one.

Words matter. And I doubt, contrary to the claims sometimes made on this board, any single one of us lives in a world where they don’t. (Particularly those of us who are married.)[/quote]

Agree.

(Which is why I would make a LOUSY politician…and spouse!)

Mufasa

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
See…this is problem with any “discussion” about Immigration.

People take a side…accuse the OTHER side of taking extreme positions…then we get nowhere, with everyone engaging in pissing matches.

What the President has proposed is to delay the deportation of parents of children who are citizens or have green cards; as long as the parents have been in the country for more than five years and and meet other criteria. And these criteria are VERY specific and very stringent. Contrary to the rhetoric, the President is not opening the gates for rapist, killers and thieves.

In terms of “it has nothing to do with Obama”; immigration will involve ANY President.

I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

It doesn’t matter what laws you pass, but what laws you enforce.

I have been hearing for YEARS the same horseshit about people learning English, paying a fine, the border being secured, following some process, it’s the same drivel we have been hearing for years.

But they won’t secure the border, and they won’t go after employers, they won’t implement E-Verify, they won’t end birthright citizenship, they won’t end the perks that lead these people to come here.

This is not limited to laborious work either, we are now seeing cheap workers being imported or outsouced by big tech companies through the H1B Visa scam.

Build a wall on steroids, people hated the Berlin Wall, because it worked.

Mufasa, you can’t use the illegal alien activist handbook without losing the argument.

If I break into your home while you are away at work, does that make me a member of your family ? Are you then responsible for my education and healthcare ? Do I get to eat all your food, and use your car ? Because that is the argument the open border people are making. Just get here, and you are entitled to it all. [/quote]

Max:

I’d be the dumbest of dumb asses if I argued that Immigration is not a mess…and ESPECIALLY with somebody from California/the Border States.

In fact…it is one big Cluster-Fuck.

My point is that where we are now is a cumulative problem that has built up over years; most politicians are giving it a lot of lip service while pandering for Votes (Left AND Right)…and we are left where we are now.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

My point is that where we are now is cumulative problem that has built up over years; most politicians are giving it a lot of lip service while pandering for Votes (Left AND Right)…and we are left where we are now.

Mufasa[/quote]

Yes and “fixing” it might actually be pretty easy, but then the polls lose a talking point hot button issue to rile up the base vote with, so neither side will do it.

Pretty much why, IMO we’ll never see a truly functioning safety net, or responsible government facilitation of education. Fixing things doesn’t get as many base votes as yelling about how broken they are does.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
See…this is problem with any “discussion” about Immigration.

People take a side…accuse the OTHER side of taking extreme positions…then we get nowhere, with everyone engaging in pissing matches.

What the President has proposed is to delay the deportation of parents of children who are citizens or have green cards; as long as the parents have been in the country for more than five years and and meet other criteria. And these criteria are VERY specific and very stringent. Contrary to the rhetoric, the President is not opening the gates for rapist, killers and thieves.

In terms of “it has nothing to do with Obama”; immigration will involve ANY President.

I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

It doesn’t matter what laws you pass, but what laws you enforce.

I have been hearing for YEARS the same horseshit about people learning English, paying a fine, the border being secured, following some process, it’s the same drivel we have been hearing for years.

But they won’t secure the border, and they won’t go after employers, they won’t implement E-Verify, they won’t end birthright citizenship, they won’t end the perks that lead these people to come here.

This is not limited to laborious work either, we are now seeing cheap workers being imported or outsouced by big tech companies through the H1B Visa scam.

Build a wall on steroids, people hated the Berlin Wall, because it worked.

Mufasa, you can’t use the illegal alien activist handbook without losing the argument.

If I break into your home while you are away at work, does that make me a member of your family ? Are you then responsible for my education and healthcare ? Do I get to eat all your food, and use your car ? Because that is the argument the open border people are making. Just get here, and you are entitled to it all. [/quote]

Max:

I’d be the dumbest of dumb asses if I argued that Immigration is not a mess…and ESPECIALLY with somebody from California/the Border States.

In fact…it is one big Cluster-Fuck.

My point is that where we are now is a cumulative problem that has built up over years; most politicians are giving it a lot of lip service while pandering for Votes (Left AND Right)…and we are left where we are now.

Mufasa[/quote]

We all know what needs to be done, but no one in govt has the sack to do it.

Reagan promised to secure the border in '86, didn’t happen. Then in 2006, Congress passed the Secure Fence Act, it was never built. There is no honest desire to secure the border, and because of that, the people will never stomach amnesty.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
Its no suprise when I say I like Sanders the most of the current crop of candidates and it is perhaps a futile excercise to argue for Sanders on this forum, but fuck it I feel like Don Quixote today.

First let me try to ease your minds my socialistphobic brethren when it comes to Sanders’s socialist label. If you listen to what he says and his policy proposals, the man is much more of a Keynes, than a Marx. He is not calling for the expropriation of all private property over the means of production and the end of capitalism, but are rather proposing a more progressive tax system and more government spending within a capitalist framework. I know this ain’t glad tidings for conservatives, but it makes him more of a tax and spend liberal, than the second coming of Stalin. In a sense is his message kinda “reactionary” in so far that he is calling for a return to the “liberal consensus” of the 50’s. 60’s and 70’s.( Offcourse without segregration, the cold war etc ). One can say that his message in some way is the mirror image of the tea-party movement with its call’s for a return to the “golden days” of the founding of your country.

Secondly his main cause is anti-corruption rather than class-warfare. He rightly warns about the growing influence of money in the political sphere and how its influence are transforming your democratic republic into a plutocratic republic. Last time I checked it was the classical-liberalist’s who first championed democracy and republicanism over autocracy and monarchism. And on this issue he is not only talking the talk, but he also walks the walk. He has refused to take money from Super Pac’s and most of his contributions are from regular voters( average contribution is roughly 40$ ) and labor unions( btw union are not big money compared to huge corporations ). You might disagree with him on 99% of the issues, but thats more one can say of Hillary who also have voiced concern over the citizens united ruling while she at the same time is saturated in corporate money.

Thirdly he is dead right on income inequality. Now some will say this is pure class-warfare and pandering, but the reality is that the class-war is allready here and the working class( or middle-class and working family’s as Sanders says ) is loosing and have been for a long time( to paraprhase Warren Buffet ). Now his policy proposals to combat this is anti-etical to what most here believes, but atleast he have some proposals. Offcourse some of the GOP candidates have also given lip-service to this problem, but no real solutions. The fact is that the only solution to combating income inequality is taxing the rich more and increase spending directed at poor people. Now if you dont give a shit about income inequality, then you can keep on arguing for less taxes( or a more regressive tax system ) and less public spending directed against the poor and still be consistent. But to pretend to care, but offer no solutions is just disgusting.

Fourthly he seems more genuin and less coached than the typical politician. Now this is probably what Countingbeans is calling “voting with your feelings” rather than your intellect and I agree that this kinds of factors should be at the bottom of the list for why you vote for someone. Still compared to especially Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz, Bernie comes off as an actual human, while they come off as trained dogs. I can add I think Jeb Bush comes off as a human too( So I am not 100% partisan, only 99,9% ).

I know I am not making any friends here for posting this, but one positive Sanders post in here will not end the world.

Btw: I hope Beans prediction is right, but I doubt it Bernie wins.

ps. I am not an American citizen and cannot vote in this race, but are watching from the outside and finds it fascinating.

[/quote]

Bernie Rocks
[/quote]

Thanks for posting the video. A balding white haired 73 year old man…ah yes.

Oh how I wish that Bernie Saunders would wrestle the nomination away from Hillary. While I have no doubt that the GOP will defeat Hillary, if Bernie Saunders were the nominee it would be a real lock for the GOP.

GO BERNIE…and yes he rocks or whatever else one can say about him that will help him win the democratic nomination.

I might just go write him a check.
[/quote]

One can hope , I don’t care it is a toss up between Hillary and Jeb they are both for money in their pocket and just see America as a vehicle , if you are right so be it

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
See…this is problem with any “discussion” about Immigration.

People take a side…accuse the OTHER side of taking extreme positions…then we get nowhere, with everyone engaging in pissing matches.

What the President has proposed is to delay the deportation of parents of children who are citizens or have green cards; as long as the parents have been in the country for more than five years and and meet other criteria. And these criteria are VERY specific and very stringent. Contrary to the rhetoric, the President is not opening the gates for rapist, killers and thieves.

In terms of “it has nothing to do with Obama”; immigration will involve ANY President.

I will let Pitt speak for himself; but I am sure he was stating that the current state of immigration is the sum total of policies of all Presidents (past and current) and Congress (past and current).

Mufasa[/quote]

Yet, they have only come over the border by the millions under Obama…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

I agree Illegals are a problem, it has been a problem for me since the early 80s when Reagan delivered the death blow to the steel industry . I moved to AZ . In OH hanging drywall was paying $.08 AZ was Paying $.045 . Illegals were every where some one would yell immigration and all you would see is people running .

Big employers love cheap labor , supply and demand . It has nothing to do with Obama George Carlin -"Who Really Controls America" - YouTube
[/quote]

It has everything to do with Obama as he is the US President who is allowing the filth of Mexico to come into the US illegally.

Oh wait…maybe they are not the worst that Mexico has to offer. How many Mexican doctors, lawyers and teachers are entering illegally? Oh that’s right NONE!!

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

…but what good is that if you preside over a pile of shit? maybe I’m missing something?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

You just described Obama’s vision for our country. And…I’m not kidding.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

…but what good is that if you preside over a pile of shit? maybe I’m missing something?[/quote]

Yes, you are missing quite a lot.

The left panders to those who feel that government should provide from cradle to grave.

Their view is if someone (or some entity) is making a great deal of money it is their job to take as much of it as possible and redistribute it among those who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it. Thus keeping their base happy and voting for them.

What is left after all of this takes place means nothing to them. That “pile of shit” that you described is exactly what Obama and company want. A beaten down non-thinking group of blind followers who know that they will be provided for at every point in their lives. That way they get to keep their power base by growing big government and continuing government handouts to their constituency.

Questions?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

…but what good is that if you preside over a pile of shit? maybe I’m missing something?[/quote]

Better to be at the top of a pile of shit than the bottom.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
[/quote]

All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

…but what good is that if you preside over a pile of shit? maybe I’m missing something?[/quote]

Yes, you are missing quite a lot.

The left panders to those who feel that government should provide from cradle to grave.

Their view is if someone (or some entity) is making a great deal of money it is their job to take as much of it as possible and redistribute it among those who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it. Thus keeping their base happy and voting for them.

What is left after all of this takes place means nothing to them. That “pile of shit” that you described is exactly what Obama and company want. A beaten down non-thinking group of blind followers who know that they will be provided for at every point in their lives. That way they get to keep their power base by growing big government and continuing government handouts to their constituency.

Questions?

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Hmm … thanks for telling me things I already know?

My real perplexity lies with the appeal, I guess, of presiding over shit. It’s not much of an accomplishment (and here might be where my assumption is the problem) for any rational person to gain the trust of dumb-dumbs. Pretty easy to mold a largely ignorant populace and keep the oppressed. But to raise thinking, free people up and have them FREELY follow one, seems to me, to be a more worthy endeavor

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Maybe some are illegals but none are detectible . I work nights and drive by the rescue mission 3 times a night . I spends the night driving back and forth through the bad side of PHX . The reality of it is terrible . The last saddest thing I saw was a Black Dad taking care of his child on a Bus Stop bench. When i drove by again the child was sleeping on the side walk and the Dad fell a sleep sitting on the bench , I see a lot of Veterans , you can tell by clothes and gear , see alot of families . It is Real [/quote]

The illegal alien problem is real too. Just ask the man who lost his daughter to a gun shot fired by an illegal alien. And there is far more crime than just that one incident being perpetrated by illegals.

Don’t you ever ask yourself why it’s okay for Obama not to enforce such felonies?

Pretty despicable for a President to allow this to happen.
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All these presidents have wanted cheap labor for big money , Obama is by no means the first [/quote]

You’re an idiot if you think it’s about cheap labor.

It’s about two things:

  1. Turning these illegals into eventual democratic votes because Obama is the one who let them enter and stay illegally.

  2. Literally changing the face of America because Obama is a racist and would rather have less white people. Yeah!!
    [/quote]

To your second point, it took a few decades but it worked here in Cali. Whites are officially not the majority anymore, and more than just the ethnic demographic changing, so did the financial demographic.

We have the 3rd highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest welfare rate, and ranked 39th in education. For those think taxing the rich is the answer, well we did that and ended up with all of that ^ above. Some of the worst roads, water pipes nearly 100 years old bursting almost every day, traffic that is obscene, and no water infrastructure construction for 45 years, and a wall of debt over half a trillion. We have gas prices almost $2 more per gallon than other states as well, thank you Cap and Trade.

Cripple a populace, and you can easily control them.[/quote]

…but what good is that if you preside over a pile of shit? maybe I’m missing something?[/quote]

Better to be at the top of a pile of shit than the bottom.
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So, best to be king shit than just shit … makes sense

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

My real perplexity lies with the appeal, I guess, of presiding over shit. It’s not much of an accomplishment (and here might be where my assumption is the problem) for any rational person to gain the trust of dumb-dumbs. Pretty easy to mold a largely ignorant populace and keep the oppressed. But to raise thinking, free people up and have them FREELY follow one, seems to me, to be a more worthy endeavor[/quote]

They don’t want free people thinking for themselves. They want the masses hooked on things given to them by the government. And for every handout they receive they lose just a bit for freedom.

So, it’s not about the citizens it’s about the left being in power and keeping and gaining even more power by handing people free things.

Simple.

Yes, I know you already know all this. You’re just perhaps a tad naïve and don’t understand why any party or political group would want this.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

My real perplexity lies with the appeal, I guess, of presiding over shit. It’s not much of an accomplishment (and here might be where my assumption is the problem) for any rational person to gain the trust of dumb-dumbs. Pretty easy to mold a largely ignorant populace and keep the oppressed. But to raise thinking, free people up and have them FREELY follow one, seems to me, to be a more worthy endeavor[/quote]

They don’t want free people thinking for themselves. They want the masses hooked on things given to them by the government. And for every handout they receive they lose just a bit for freedom.

So, it’s not about the citizens it’s about the left being in power and keeping and gaining even more power by handing people free things.

Simple.

Yes, I know you already know all this. You’re just perhaps a tad naÃ?¯ve and don’t understand why any party or political group would want this.

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It just seems like an unworthy goal or end and it’s disconcerting that anyone would pursue this as an end … I don’t think naive is the right word, more like optimistic (at the moment).