[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Its no suprise when I say I like Sanders the most of the current crop of candidates and it is perhaps a futile excercise to argue for Sanders on this forum, but fuck it I feel like Don Quixote today.
First let me try to ease your minds my socialistphobic brethren when it comes to Sanders’s socialist label. If you listen to what he says and his policy proposals, the man is much more of a Keynes, than a Marx. He is not calling for the expropriation of all private property over the means of production and the end of capitalism, but are rather proposing a more progressive tax system and more government spending within a capitalist framework. I know this ain’t glad tidings for conservatives, but it makes him more of a tax and spend liberal, than the second coming of Stalin. In a sense is his message kinda “reactionary” in so far that he is calling for a return to the “liberal consensus” of the 50’s. 60’s and 70’s.( Offcourse without segregration, the cold war etc ). One can say that his message in some way is the mirror image of the tea-party movement with its call’s for a return to the “golden days” of the founding of your country.
Secondly his main cause is anti-corruption rather than class-warfare. He rightly warns about the growing influence of money in the political sphere and how its influence are transforming your democratic republic into a plutocratic republic. Last time I checked it was the classical-liberalist’s who first championed democracy and republicanism over autocracy and monarchism. And on this issue he is not only talking the talk, but he also walks the walk. He has refused to take money from Super Pac’s and most of his contributions are from regular voters( average contribution is roughly 40$ ) and labor unions( btw union are not big money compared to huge corporations ). You might disagree with him on 99% of the issues, but thats more one can say of Hillary who also have voiced concern over the citizens united ruling while she at the same time is saturated in corporate money.
Thirdly he is dead right on income inequality. Now some will say this is pure class-warfare and pandering, but the reality is that the class-war is allready here and the working class( or middle-class and working family’s as Sanders says ) is loosing and have been for a long time( to paraprhase Warren Buffet ). Now his policy proposals to combat this is anti-etical to what most here believes, but atleast he have some proposals. Offcourse some of the GOP candidates have also given lip-service to this problem, but no real solutions. The fact is that the only solution to combating income inequality is taxing the rich more and increase spending directed at poor people. Now if you dont give a shit about income inequality, then you can keep on arguing for less taxes( or a more regressive tax system ) and less public spending directed against the poor and still be consistent. But to pretend to care, but offer no solutions is just disgusting.
Fourthly he seems more genuin and less coached than the typical politician. Now this is probably what Countingbeans is calling “voting with your feelings” rather than your intellect and I agree that this kinds of factors should be at the bottom of the list for why you vote for someone. Still compared to especially Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz, Bernie comes off as an actual human, while they come off as trained dogs. I can add I think Jeb Bush comes off as a human too( So I am not 100% partisan, only 99,9% ).
I know I am not making any friends here for posting this, but one positive Sanders post in here will not end the world.
Btw: I hope Beans prediction is right, but I doubt it Bernie wins.
ps. I am not an American citizen and cannot vote in this race, but are watching from the outside and finds it fascinating.
[/quote]
Bernie Rocks
[/quote]
Thanks for posting the video. A balding white haired 73 year old man…ah yes.
Oh how I wish that Bernie Saunders would wrestle the nomination away from Hillary. While I have no doubt that the GOP will defeat Hillary, if Bernie Saunders were the nominee it would be a real lock for the GOP.
GO BERNIE…and yes he rocks or whatever else one can say about him that will help him win the democratic nomination.
I might just go write him a check.
now that we got that out of the way .