Don’t really want to take an AI but estrogen is too high…feel ok.
So do I, I also have high estrogen on TRT and anytime I try to treat a number, it degrades the way I feel.
TRT will work better if your lift weights and eat healthy, but if you’re sitting on the couch waiting for the maximum benefits of T therapy, you’ll be disappointed.
Guys that have higher body fat will tend to have higher estrogen on, off TRT.
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No it doing that…I am in good shape and eat very well. It seems I am retaining water however. My face looks more round
That can happen if the dosage is excessive and or injections frequency is too far apart.
The cypionate can spike T and E2 unlike natural production and the larger the dosage, the bigger the spike.
So smaller doses have smaller spikes and sometimes you can get away with far less T to achieve desired levels.
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Also TRT can cause sodium reabsorption via the kidneys and so the water retention may have nothing to do with estrogen.
That does not sound good…at all
But you aren’t on conventional TRT, in that you aren’t doing injections. You are taking something relatively new in oral form with a very short half life. As I understand you never got any regimen with injections to work. You have to give him that disclaimer.
Not knocking on your protocol or anything but saying your E2 case is also different in that sense.
So you feel your e2 is too high but you also feel fine? Confusing…
If you’re injecting IM, you can try SubQ shots instead as it produces less Aromatase activity (meaning less estrogen). Otherwise, you can always lower dose if estrogen is actually too high.
Other than what seems to be some water retention…yes. E2 is high and. I I don’t feel bad. Don’t like the moon face.
Honestly there are just so many variables that the provider never discussed with me and that I have had to learn on my own. This may just not be for me. I took my last injection 4 days ago and may just not take any more. 6 weeks in does not seem like it would take too long to clear out of my system.
And btw, you responding has been cool so thank you. You sound like you know far more than this provider,lol.
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In another thread (TRT Sent T Way Too High), you were recommended:
This is very reasonable. I’m not sure the reason you are so opposed to an AI, but it likely isn’t needed if you lower your TRT dose.
Why not lower your dose and wait a bit before you figure this out?
Your provider probably wanted to wait because early labs make things look chaotic. Waiting until about the 8 week mark tends to be a good time to test because most of the big changes are over - at which point it makes sense to adjust course accordingly.
Thank you, but this likely isn’t true. They have you on a reasonable (for most) dosage and pinning 2x per week SubQ… Your provider probably knows their stuff, as this is the best practice for >95% of the population. You’re just on the far-end of the bell curve on T response.
Sincerely, discuss with your provider the swollen face and mention that you believe your TT levels are too high; say you would like to lower dose. I do believe they know what they are talking about, based on your protocol. Also note that they may write this off as it quite literally is too early to start adjusting course with your protocol… it does make sense to wait for the 8 week mark and evaluate then.
How many blood tests for TRT monitoring have you had where E2 is high? There are many members who can help if you supply them with empirical numbers.
I have never heard anyone complain about just “moon face.” I know I had moon face (Cushing’s syndrome) when taking excessive amounts of corticosteroids.
No not doing oral…injections…sub Q.
Check out DIM, diindolylmethane.
In the sense that my hormone levels are not at a constantly elevated state, you’re right. My levels fluctuate greatly in a 12 hour period.
However it does jack up my hematocrit to 58% if I let things go and don’t phlebotomize. I don’t have any symptoms at these hematocrit levels.
A typical Jatenzo case sees hematocrit lower on average even when compared to injections. My body doesn’t tolerate medium or even long half-life formulations of TRT.
Jatenzo doesn’t cause any fluid retention at all, even when I had a high body fat percentage and always recommend it to those having problems on injections.
My body is rigged to over-respond and in some ways that’s a good thing.
Try and ACE/ARB for water retention
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I think if water retention is the only side effect, an ARB could be something to look into. I don’t think water retention is something my body does haha, so I haven’t noticed less water really with the ARB telmisartan, but it has brought BP in range. No negatives that I have noticed with it so far. I am kinda curious if it has improved my IGF-1?
Telmisartan made me feel like crap, even at low doses. But Lisinopril has been great, I dropped a few lbs in water weight, BP is great, HCT is going down. No side effects that I can see
What did you feel with Telmisartan? I kind of felt some fatigue from it.