Redistribution of Wealth

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Waittz wrote:
If only we could nominate business and community leaders to make these challenging decisions for us. We could even hold some kind of process of voting to make sure whoever ends up making these decisions are what the majority of us want. Oh wait… [/quote]

Well, apparently everyone turns into either a mindless drone who has no idea what’s going on, period, or into a power-hungry lunatic upon election, so I daresay that what they were before they got elected into Congress doesn’t matter.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

We all know there isn’t a single politician that isn’t a lying sack of immoral waste right? [/quote]

Honest Question:

Is this really because they are politicians or because they are human?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

We all know there isn’t a single politician that isn’t a lying sack of immoral waste right? [/quote]

Honest Question:

Is this really because they are politicians or because they are human?
[/quote]

Human. I’m actually related to a former congressman. He was a democrate(go figure) member of the House for quite some time. He was and is a good guy. A family man, a religious man and an ethically and morally sound person. That being said, in order to get elected and maining your position, you lose your right to your own opinion. What you fight for and represent isnt what you want, it is what you lobbiest and financial supporters want.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

We all know there isn’t a single politician that isn’t a lying sack of immoral waste right? [/quote]

Honest Question:

Is this really because they are politicians or because they are human?
[/quote]

Human. I’m actually related to a former congressman. He was a democrate(go figure) member of the House for quite some time. He was and is a good guy. A family man, a religious man and an ethically and morally sound person. That being said, in order to get elected and maining your position, you lose your right to your own opinion. What you fight for and represent isnt what you want, it is what you lobbiest and financial supporters want. [/quote]

And that is why we need term limits, and not career politicians.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Everyone in this thread supports redistribution of wealth to some degree whether they know it or not. For instance why mention food stamps but not the F-35? A massive amount of “our” wealth goes to the military. How much of your wealth have you lost in Afghanistan? How much was taken from you and why are you not mad about it?

Or is it just cool to be against food stamps?

[/quote]

Ding ding ding. My wealth was redistributed to Cheney’s buddies throughout the aughts–and for a cause far less admirable than the one where babies get free milk.[/quote]

X3. H factor, be careful using absolutes. I certainly don’t support the forcible confiscation of anyone’s property for any purpose.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Everyone in this thread supports redistribution of wealth to some degree whether they know it or not. For instance why mention food stamps but not the F-35? A massive amount of “our” wealth goes to the military. How much of your wealth have you lost in Afghanistan? How much was taken from you and why are you not mad about it?

Or is it just cool to be against food stamps?

[/quote]

Ding ding ding. My wealth was redistributed to Cheney’s buddies throughout the aughts–and for a cause far less admirable than the one where babies get free milk.[/quote]

X3. H factor, be careful using absolutes. I certainly don’t support the forcible confiscation of anyone’s property for any purpose.[/quote]

Many do though, hence all the “military is the purpose of taxation posters.”

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[quote]H factor wrote:
Many do though, hence all the “military is the purpose of taxation posters.” [/quote]

I would counter that taxation is the purpose of military.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Many do though, hence all the “military is the purpose of taxation posters.” [/quote]

I would counter that taxation is the purpose of military.[/quote]

And I would not fault you for that viewpoint and am glad it is a consistent one.

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[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
After she has the second, mandatory sterilization is she wishes to continue to receive benefits. If not regular visits by social services to make sure that she is providing adequate care. I will even go so far as to say maybe even a small voucher for daycare and assistance in obtaining enough jobs to support her family. Even if that means multiple fast food jobs.[/quote]

Let’s assume I agree with you…does that sound like a policy that would ‘pass muster’. Temporarily sterilizing everyone at birth and reversing it when they demonstrate ‘ability to support’ their offspring seems a better approach. All we have to do then is decide what ability to support is. [/quote]

Ability to support is, kids are fed, clothed, schooled, and housed. That’s it. And I am not for doing this to everyone, or really anyone for that matter. I just think it would be the most effective deterrent for popping out illegitimate children that you cant afford. Combine that with making abortion illegal and you may see a drop in STD’s because people might start thinking twice before having unprotected sex.

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Lets get some pie.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Why is there not 7.6 Million looking for work then?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Lower the minimum wage, bust up unions, and maybe we could get some businesses back so that grunt work jobs could be had. Plus, that 3.7 is not necessarily accurate. I know many people around here who don’t actually have a “job” but they work. They paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards, whatever. There is work to be had if someone is so inclined.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Why is there not 7.6 Million looking for work then? [/quote]

I would imagine there is a lapse of people moving in and out of jobs . There are probably some employers asking the impossible . There are probably many reasos

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Why is there not 7.6 Million looking for work then? [/quote]

I would imagine there is a lapse of people moving in and out of jobs . There are probably some employers asking the impossible . There are probably many reasos [/quote]

What is impossible?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Why is there not 7.6 Million looking for work then? [/quote]

I would imagine there is a lapse of people moving in and out of jobs . There are probably some employers asking the impossible . There are probably many reasos [/quote]

What is impossible?
[/quote]

If not working meant not eating nothing. In today’s entitlement society, anything they don’t want to do.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Lower the minimum wage, bust up unions, and maybe we could get some businesses back so that grunt work jobs could be had. Plus, that 3.7 is not necessarily accurate. I know many people around here who don’t actually have a “job” but they work. They paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards, whatever. There is work to be had if someone is so inclined. [/quote]

To advocate for lower minimum wage , would be advocating for vast poverty , more that we have today .

You act like today is a boom , it’s not ,it is called a jobless recovery . The stock market recovered period .

All the jobs “paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards,” are taken and people are fighting over getting those jobs . It is truly a buyers market

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Lower the minimum wage, bust up unions, and maybe we could get some businesses back so that grunt work jobs could be had. Plus, that 3.7 is not necessarily accurate. I know many people around here who don’t actually have a “job” but they work. They paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards, whatever. There is work to be had if someone is so inclined. [/quote]

To advocate for lower minimum wage , would be advocating for vast poverty , more that we have today .

You act like today is a boom , it’s not ,it is called a jobless recovery . The stock market recovered period .

All the jobs “paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards,” are taken and people are fighting over getting those jobs . It is truly a buyers market
[/quote]

So what do you think we should do then?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
About welfare- As I understand it, the biggest issue right now is that if there was any serious reform (which pretty much everyone will agree is needed, I think) will also result in millions having absolutely no source of money and left to starve and die in the streets.

While we may save money, the social and ethical cost of that is so incredibly tremendous that it’s probably unfeasible to expect people to accept it.

And that’s why the Democrats have no choice but to continue supporting stupid welfare ideas. Because the alternative leads to so many people dying that it’s unthinkable.[/quote]

Nonsense.

They would find a source of income asap.

And, if they would rather die than work, I fully respect their choices.

[/quote]

IMO the burden of proof is in your court Orion , There are clearly more people unemployed than there are jobs

11.3 million of people LOOKING FOR WORK

3.7 million jobs openings

that is quite a disparity
[/quote]

Lower the minimum wage, bust up unions, and maybe we could get some businesses back so that grunt work jobs could be had. Plus, that 3.7 is not necessarily accurate. I know many people around here who don’t actually have a “job” but they work. They paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards, whatever. There is work to be had if someone is so inclined. [/quote]

To advocate for lower minimum wage , would be advocating for vast poverty , more that we have today .

You act like today is a boom , it’s not ,it is called a jobless recovery . The stock market recovered period .

All the jobs “paint houses, do odd handyman work, cut yards,” are taken and people are fighting over getting those jobs . It is truly a buyers market
[/quote]

You are aware that most people working minimum wage jobs are already in poverty by todays standards. Only its a false poverty because they are receiving assistance which census numbers did not account for so the poverty numbers are extremely inflated.