Gotcha. I… Don’t know. But, it’d be interesting if you’d tested not only sugar, but also some less insulinogenic carbs. Maybe in a comp setting the only option would be HBCD to actually discern if carbohydrates are the issue or if the source of the carbohydrates is.
Feeling awful like that only happens to me when I’ve had to put out too much insulin and end up hypoglycemic afterward.
Some fat can also help when rolling hard with carbs. For me, twenty grams have been a sweet spot. But the activity matters too.
If I’m going to do several hours worth of work I’ll do best on something with wheat and fats to go with that. Bread and olive oil for instance. Can get me through multiple hours of hiking but wouldn’t translate well into a hypertrophy workout where I’d prefer to eat somewhat close to the training session with slightly faster carbs and not any fats at all necessarily (but will happily help you myself to those twenty grams anyway)
I find, in general, I “get full” with carbs pretty quickly, even when the source is clean. Breads, potatoes, rice, etc, don’t take much, whereas I have a near unlimited capacity to consume fats and meat. I definitely feel more sluggish after having taken in carbs compared to fats.
It’s something I’ve observe with my pre-training meal experimentation. My higher fat pre-training meal days tends to have less dramatic swings in energy and a more sustainable workout, whereas my higher carb days are a big burst and then a drag. But confounding variables exist there in that I’m using the carbs on my heavier training days where those sorts of big bursts are also within the training itself.
There can be a lot of explanations I’m sure. I’m fairly confident I have low levels of dopamine so if I follow the “literature” and have 30-35% of my carb allowance 90-120 mins before a workout I’ll absolutely tank. Presumably because serotonin is elevated sufficiently to completely demotivate me.
I’d like to point out that you spent years on high-fat/high-protein/low-carb diet. It’s conceivable you got really really good at it over time. That’s not to say carbs have to be better, they can certainly be the inferior choice, but I’ll admit that I’m guessing when I just remark it might have an impact on your perceived experience as it is now.
I appreciate it dude. Really just wanted to get discussion going on it. It’s helping pass the time, haha. And hopefully no one takes my replies/retorts as trying to shut down conversation on the matter either.
Josh Hillis has said that some people feel fuller for longer on carbs, some people on fats and that it appears to be a genetic thing (from Fat Loss Happens on Mondays). Everyone feels fuller on protein but we knew that.
Just to clarify by the way: this is the extent of my knowledge on the subject, so please don’t ask any difficult questions.
Not really. I mean, obviously I’m super anal about this sort of crap and while I haven’t allowed myself to go all out science mode on myself anecdotally it seems as if I tomorrow where to take in as much meat as I wanted until I reach fullness then that’ll coincidentally be once I’ve eaten enough meat to also get enough fat for me to have exogenous energy to run on. And yes, if does appear that protein as a macronutrient contributes toward that energy cutoff point somewhat as well but not the complete 4cals/g.
To elaborate, and be clear, I’ll be full on 40g f/40 g p (70%/30%) mores than 80g protein with trace fats.
Oh, my hypothesis is wrong. I’ll have to try and eat 130g of protein one morning for the math to check out. Ooops.
Going outdoors to climb tomorrow though so that’s not the day for dietary experiments
I have my eyes on a 23oz porterhouse steak at a place a few minutes from my house that will achieve just that in a week or so. Assuming good news from the doc first, haha.
I’ve been interested in fiber types lately, and I’m trying to learn more, so this is a cool discussion.
The idea of slow twitch fat-fueled body types vs fast twitch carb fueled guys and mixed types Must have been explored by some science bros, or track coaches or something. I’ll be on the look out for info like that now.
I always heard about endurance athletes carb loading before events. Now you’ve got me wondering, does anyone fat load?
People traversing the artic circle or climbing Mt. Everest. One guy had to abort a climb and spent a week just eating butter to restore enough body fat stores to make a second attempts from base camp.
I know I’ve heard from the keto crowd that it’s the superior way to go about it, but, of course, that’s not shocking given that it’s the keto crowd. I’m sure there are a few keto endurance athletes out there making it work. But I had similar thoughts: we’re told fat is a slower digesting macro, so you’d think you’d want to load up on it before long events, but it’s almost always complex carbs instead.
I could be wrong, but fat doesn’t get stored in the muscle like carbs do, correct? Sure, you can burn fat as fuel, but if you’re engaging in an endurance event that’s gonna trash your muscles, I feel it would make more sense to have those muscles chalk full of glycogen.