Reasons for Attacking (Liberating) Iran

Simon_Forsyth · October 13, 2007, 5:41am

[quote]808fightconcepts wrote:
Magnate wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:
Protesting the war, bad-mouthing the president

Well within the rights of an American citizen to do and I feel should actively be encouraged if the grounds for protest are founded.

all of these things emboldens those trying to destroy this great nation.

You hear this so often you assume there would be some proof that somebody saying Iraq is a failure actually did produce a single more suicide bomber. It’s a nice sound bite, but you can’t possibly substantiate it. Do you really think that if the population of America sat by quietly not saying how they really felt about the way the war was handled, that the insurgency in Iraq and terror groups worldwide would truly have met their end? Yea, it’s us here back in the homeland that are giving them the reason to fight, not their religious leaders, history of religious warfare, general bigotry/hatred towards all non muslims and foreign occupation doing it at all. It’s those damned dem’s and anti war repubs/independents.

Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”
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As I have stated previously I think John Kerry was a wanker… Just thought I would add that one again.

Magnate · October 13, 2007, 2:12pm

[quote]808fightconcepts wrote:
Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”
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So unless I am a die hard right wing 100% republican I don’t stand for anything? Here I was thinking I had an opinion on shit, apparently all I like to do is criticize other’s opinions because I don’t actually have one of my own on ANY issue. Thanks for helping me see the light.

Magnate · October 13, 2007, 2:17pm

[quote]808fightconcepts wrote:
Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”
[/quote]

From now on I’ll put a check list of my stances on some issues at the bottom of my posts

#1) Smaller Government
#2) Getting out of Iraq (Nobody really says it but most here think it, I value American soldier’s lives more than I value the life of a group of people who don’t care enough about their friends/family/neighbors/country to stop destroying their own futures).
#3) Freedom of speech in war time, as much as you would like to censor it as to avoid “emboldening the enemy”. Nobody is giving away state secrets, and if they are that has nothing to do with protesting the war.
#4) Fair tax.

I’ll throw up a few things at the end of every post from now on.

Beowolf · October 13, 2007, 9:21pm

[quote]Magnate wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:
Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”

From now on I’ll put a check list of my stances on some issues at the bottom of my posts

#1) Smaller Government
#2) Getting out of Iraq (Nobody really says it but most here think it, I value American soldier’s lives more than I value the life of a group of people who don’t care enough about their friends/family/neighbors/country to stop destroying their own futures).
#3) Freedom of speech in war time, as much as you would like to censor it as to avoid “emboldening the enemy”. Nobody is giving away state secrets, and if they are that has nothing to do with protesting the war.
#4) Fair tax.

I’ll throw up a few things at the end of every post from now on.
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I also enjoyed how instead of actually trying to refute your argument, 808 just used an ad hominem attack to try and discredit you! Yay!

The fact is, saying we are “emboldening the enemy” by speaking out against this war is a ridiculous statement. You can’t possibly back that up with evidence. And in all seriousness, our ability TO question and speak out during a war is the exact kind of “freedom” we’re supposedly trying to give the Iraqis. Remember why everyone hates Saddam? He silenced political opponents and people who spoke against him. Why to we hate Iran’s president? Because he censors the hell out of his people.
Sure, those examples are a bit more radical, but you see the irony of the parallel yes?

Wreckless · October 13, 2007, 11:34pm

Did anybody mention yet that you will be greeted as liberators and showered in flowers?

Magnate · October 13, 2007, 11:47pm

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Did anybody mention yet that you will be greeted as liberators and showered in flowers?[/quote]

Goes without saying.

Gkhan · October 14, 2007, 12:53am

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Did anybody mention yet that you will be greeted as liberators and showered in flowers?[/quote]

That perception was the real crime in the war.

We didn’t have a post war stragedy because we did not think there would be an insurrection which would undermine the re-building of the country and create a civil war.

All the problems stem from that great miscalculation.

808fightconcepts · October 14, 2007, 10:59am

[quote]Magnate wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:
Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”

From now on I’ll put a check list of my stances on some issues at the bottom of my posts

#1) Smaller Government
#2) Getting out of Iraq (Nobody really says it but most here think it, I value American soldier’s lives more than I value the life of a group of people who don’t care enough about their friends/family/neighbors/country to stop destroying their own futures).
#3) Freedom of speech in war time, as much as you would like to censor it as to avoid “emboldening the enemy”. Nobody is giving away state secrets, and if they are that has nothing to do with protesting the war.
#4) Fair tax.

I’ll throw up a few things at the end of every post from now on.
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1.) Agreed. We need LESS government.
2.) Agreed. AFTER Iraq is stabilized.
3.) Agreed. Why does everyone assume that anyone who states that all this anti-Americanism is hurting the US as a country desires to censor protesters? When did I ever say that we have to censor these people? I do remember saying that we all have a right to say such things. Maybe I should have been a little more clearer…we as a country should try and be more supportive of our soldiers–we’re already fucking there and if I’m not mistaken it’s an issue that will extend long into the next presidents term–democrat OR republican. My dad served two years over there and alot of my friends did too. If we’re still there I plan on volunteering after med school. Every single one I talked to felt like they were being stabbed in the back by all these protesters. You should sit down and talk to some of the soldiers who served. They’ll tell you about issues the biased media doesn’t report on. Like building schools, training civilians, rebuilding cities, and on and on and on. Remember, the majority of the politicians voted to go into Iraq, what’s done is done and seeing that we’re not leaving soon the best we can do is support the troops.
4.) The tax laws in this country is so fucked up with so many loopholes I don’t even want to touch this subject.

808fightconcepts · October 14, 2007, 11:00am

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Magnate wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:
Sounds like you’re one of those “middle of the road” individuals who like to analyze/criticize everything and not really have a declared stance on anything (the politics of John Kerry ring a bell)? You could pass for a moderate liberal or a moderate conservative yet have no official affiliations with either party. I guess to best quote what I am saying is this:

“A man who stands for nothing, falls for anything.”

From now on I’ll put a check list of my stances on some issues at the bottom of my posts

#1) Smaller Government
#2) Getting out of Iraq (Nobody really says it but most here think it, I value American soldier’s lives more than I value the life of a group of people who don’t care enough about their friends/family/neighbors/country to stop destroying their own futures).
#3) Freedom of speech in war time, as much as you would like to censor it as to avoid “emboldening the enemy”. Nobody is giving away state secrets, and if they are that has nothing to do with protesting the war.
#4) Fair tax.

I’ll throw up a few things at the end of every post from now on.

I also enjoyed how instead of actually trying to refute your argument, 808 just used an ad hominem attack to try and discredit you! Yay!

The fact is, saying we are “emboldening the enemy” by speaking out against this war is a ridiculous statement. You can’t possibly back that up with evidence. And in all seriousness, our ability TO question and speak out during a war is the exact kind of “freedom” we’re supposedly trying to give the Iraqis. Remember why everyone hates Saddam? He silenced political opponents and people who spoke against him. Why to we hate Iran’s president? Because he censors the hell out of his people.
Sure, those examples are a bit more radical, but you see the irony of the parallel yes?[/quote]

Read #3 from my last post dude.

Beowolf · October 14, 2007, 4:39pm

[quote]808fightconcepts wrote:

Read #3 from my last post dude.[/quote]

I did. And I smelled the BS you shoveled before I even got to it.

I support the troops. I support them coming the fuck home so no more of them are killed for a cause that has nothing to do with us, in a war we didn’t plan.

And even if you don’t want us censored, implying we don’t support the troops because we don’t support this unplanned, completely unneeded illegal war of aggression, is wrong. Completely and totally wrong. To imply that we need to shut up because we might “embolden the enemy” is total bull shit, and sounds like de facto censorship to me.

Headhunter · October 15, 2007, 2:54pm

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:

Read #3 from my last post dude.

I did. And I smelled the BS you shoveled before I even got to it.

I support the troops. I support them coming the fuck home so no more of them are killed for a cause that has nothing to do with us, in a war we didn’t plan.

And even if you don’t want us censored, implying we don’t support the troops because we don’t support this unplanned, completely unneeded illegal war of aggression, is wrong. Completely and totally wrong. To imply that we need to shut up because we might “embolden the enemy” is total bull shit, and sounds like de facto censorship to me.[/quote]

How are you going to establish the New World Order if you keep calling the war ‘illegal’ and all that? Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN and we, as the agency of police in this world, appropriately enforced the law.

The UN then backtracked because Saddam was paying them off and they lost a good source of bribe money. Remember when Bush called them a ‘debate society’? He was wrong in that since they were being bribed to NOT attack him. Why do you think they set up the Oil-For-Food program? To help the Iraqi people? LOL!!!

Anyway, now that Iraq is about straightened up, its time to move into Iran. Maybe the elite Iraqi forces can help us. Or, perhaps they’ll keep order in Iraq while we attack Iran (which is why we’re really training them).

Beowolf · October 15, 2007, 7:51pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote:

Read #3 from my last post dude.

I did. And I smelled the BS you shoveled before I even got to it.

I support the troops. I support them coming the fuck home so no more of them are killed for a cause that has nothing to do with us, in a war we didn’t plan.

And even if you don’t want us censored, implying we don’t support the troops because we don’t support this unplanned, completely unneeded illegal war of aggression, is wrong. Completely and totally wrong. To imply that we need to shut up because we might “embolden the enemy” is total bull shit, and sounds like de facto censorship to me.

How are you going to establish the New World Order if you keep calling the war ‘illegal’ and all that? Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN and we, as the agency of police in this world, appropriately enforced the law.

The UN then backtracked because Saddam was paying them off and they lost a good source of bribe money. Remember when Bush called them a ‘debate society’? He was wrong in that since they were being bribed to NOT attack him. Why do you think they set up the Oil-For-Food program? To help the Iraqi people? LOL!!!

Anyway, now that Iraq is about straightened up, its time to move into Iran. Maybe the elite Iraqi forces can help us. Or, perhaps they’ll keep order in Iraq while we attack Iran (which is why we’re really training them).

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Isn’t the whole “police the world” thing distinctly anti-Republican? Why do you support it? Did you support it under Clinton? I’d just like to know.

As well, where did I talk about the UN? I meant Bush went to war without Congresses approval. Now of course, it’s become legal. But (kind of a reverse version of) ipso facto, it’s an illegal war.

The UN is retarded. But just because you mentioned oil for food… Why do you think the US invaded Iraq? To spread democracy? LOL!!!

Wreckless · October 16, 2007, 5:58pm

HH, I know your nasty cough prevents you from enlisting, but I’m sure you can join Blackwater.

And Darwin will sort you out.

Headhunter · October 18, 2007, 3:14pm

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
HH, I know your nasty cough prevents you from enlisting, but I’m sure you can join Blackwater.

And Darwin will sort you out.[/quote]

Well, the trouble there is that they hire TRAINED personnel. You have to be a former SEAL, Ranger, or similar.

They may hire you, Wreckless, to hold the ladder if they have to send a guy up to kill butterflys (or whatever they were).

Headhunter · October 18, 2007, 3:20pm

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
808fightconcepts wrote: