[quote]josh86 wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My Rear Delts get sore from Benching, so what the hell do I know?[/quote]
That’s from having to row the weight down due to the three layers of polyester.[/quote]
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I ain’t even mad, I did lol when I read this
reverse grip bench, dumbell cleans, face pulls.
face pull question, ive always put the pulley high, taken a few steps back then kneel to keep balance…
at what height do you pull from and to (high pully pulling down, parallel, low to high)?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]tolismann wrote:
Do you guys think that the average (non-competitive, not drug enhanced) weightlifter needs isolation work for his rear delts, if he’s performing plenty of rack-pulls and/or power-shrugs on a classic upper body push/upper body pull/legs split?
(4 workouts/week, maybe some light stiff-legged deads on leg day)[/quote]
Go look at your rear delts in the mirror or so, that should answer your question.
Or do you mean weightlifter as in “olympic” weightlifters ?
I’m not sure what drug-use has to do with it. Do your shoulders grow easier and require less training if you stay drug-free or something? Doesn’t seem that way to me, more like the opposite, but what do I know…
Fwiw. if you can’t figure out how to progress on your rear delt work, then of course it will be useless. T-Nation is the Forum Of People Who Suck At Isolation Exercises, so that may be a real concern 
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[quote]MAF14 wrote:
face pull question, ive always put the pulley high, taken a few steps back then kneel to keep balance…
at what height do you pull from and to (high pully pulling down, parallel, low to high)?[/quote]
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/upper_back_for_the_bench.htm
In short, don’t over think it. Lean back a bit and pull something to your face, that’s it.
I do bent lateral raises, but I’m starting to think using the wide overhand grip on a seated row would be superior, if I had access to one.