Yeah, planning on sometime next year to try for some baby making. Neither of us have ever been pregnant/gotten anyone pregnant (well, except that crazy girl that tried to say she had been when I broke up with her but who knows if that was true or not 
) so still trying to decide when to have it taken out. Some stuff says sheād be fertile within like a month, some says 4-6 months is more realistic. Iām 34, sheās 32, so starting a little late so hopefully it doesnāt take forever. Weāll see how it goes I guess
Iāve read a lot about this and seen people say both ways. Some people say their libido gets so insane they donāt last long at all, which is what Iām going for. Some people say higher e2 means higher serotonin and prolactin which obviously both make things take longer. I donāt know if itās true or not but thatās what Iāve read on it.
The taking forever thing is one of my main issues
Doesnāt sound like you have too much to worry about to me, brother - especially if sheās healthy. You should have another 5 or so prime years after you get it removed. My mother had me at 40. Of course this is hugely individual, but just my $.02 that you might be pleasantly surprised
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Hmmmā¦the higher E2 meaning you last longer would definitely make sense for me because my E2 runs so high
This is amazing. You are kick lucky she initiated.
I need to find a way to flip the script here. Itās about a 0.01% chance my wife initiates. If I donāt get things rolling, they wonāt happenā¦ But usually once I do, sheās down and doesnāt say no nearly as much as she used to.
Strange, sheās down to go but just doesnāt want to start it up.
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I had my first when I was 32. I have 3, ages 4.5, 9 and 11.
Was a little late I guess, but I donāt regret it. Did anything I wanted when I wanted until 27, meet my wife - we had a blast for 5 years and decided it was time for the next phase of life.
I never have urges or regrets Iāve missed doing something because I made sure the best I could to get it out of my system before kids.
Good luck! They are frustrating and great ask at the same time.
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Thatās awesome to hear. At 28, having been married for 3 years, now feels like almost the right time to start turning that corner. I really wanted that period of ādoing our thingā as well and itās been absolutely amazing. It wouldnāt kill me to have more of that time, to be sureā¦but we also want to have some space between our kids - donāt want them to be too close in age. It stresses me out hearing of parents who have kids only 1-2 years apart. I think a minimum of 3 is a good goal.
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Iām not trying to discourage you at all, but once that first one pops out, life as you know it right now will forever be different. You will adjust and get back to The things that are important to you nowā¦ But that little baby is priority number 1 for a long time.
I donāt think I worked out for 6 or 8 months after my first. Going out, going on vacation, things you used to do before - different.
Heck, relationships can become strained from the stress and responsibilities of kids tooā¦ Donāt overlook the impact it could have there too. My wife is way different now than she was when we were 27 - 32. Shit can and will change.
Add more in there and things get complicated fast.
Like I said, not trying to discourage you, but itās a shock to the system. If you want to do something free of responsibility, do it nowā¦ Haha.
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My first 2 kid are 16 months apart.
Itās very true that a woman is extra fertile shortly after having a kidā¦ Iāve learned itās a time to be extra carefulā¦ Haha
Haha. Guy at work has kids barely a year apart. Second one was def not on purpose.
Day 1 my fatigue/exhausted feeling started to vanish and so did my depression. I didnāt know what to do with myself.
After a little bit of time it stopped working and an increase of dose fixed it. I started at 1 grain x 2 daily I think.
100% correct. Mike blows him out the water. He knows his research and data. Greg goes by feeling and experience alone.
I bet Greg will start getting on the data and research findings soon. Heās gotta keep up if he wants to stay authoritative on the topic.
Otherwise I can see many going to mikes team 
That is an interesting prediction, man. I definitely thought a lot more highly of Greg until I saw him get āexposedā in this format. I think he lost a lot of credibility when he was juxtaposed with Mikeā¦for whom I gained a ton of respect. Made me want to look into whatever plans/coaching Mike offers. Dude seems like the cream of the crop.
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Man, thinking about that shock to the system bugs me out. I donāt think anything in life can prepare you for parenthood. Itās gotta be such a world-rocker.
Is there anything youād tell yourself to read/do to prepare, if you could go back in time? I want to make sure Iām as equipped as I can beā¦and make sure Iām as good a dad/husband as I can be.
It is definitely a shock to your life, but to me, you fall right into it and you just roll with it. Nothing can fully prepare you for kids but when theyāre there it just becomes part of you naturally. Hopefully that makes sense
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Itās a grand mystery, lol. Iām the type who likes to throw himself into planning/preparation, consuming every resource possible, so itās tough to accept that thereās nothing I can do to be ready. But at least I can consult resources like the guys around here who have been there/done that!
Regarding Dr. Mike Israetel ā hereās the program he offers ($119) that I think would suit my desires. He also offers a less frequent, more simplified program, but it seems more tailored to people who are slightly less committed to physique goals.
I know everyone these days says āwith all the information online, you should never pay for programming,ā but this seems to me it might be an exception. I mean, this guy is the definition of an expert. Iāve been building out my own program, but it might be worth the investment to see how/why he designs things as he does.
@bkb333
Which program?
The link was removed from the post because I guess thatās not allowed. Itās by Renaissance Periodization, called the Male Physique Training Templates.
Bulk update: up 3 lbs. in 3 weeks, 1.5 muscle per scale. IMO this should be fairly sustainable with my 250/week protocol: gain roughly 4 lbs. BW and 2 lbs. MM per month.
If Iād commit to it and see it through for a year, thatād be 24 lbs. of muscle in a year! Crazy, but kind of ānewbie gainsā as I get my protocol dialed in. Iām sure Iāll want to get leaner for summer, though.
Iāve felt waaay better during this ābulkā than I ever have in a gaining phase before. Probably a result of three things:
- The exogenous T means substantially more of the weight gain is being partitioned toward muscle, less toward fluff - previously, it always seemed like the excess calories went straight to the love handles
- Iām taking it very slowly, playing the long game, eating all clean foods, and diligently tracking food (especially cals/protein)
- Iām staying very active - lifting 4X/week and getting 10K steps/day
Like I said, not sure how long Iāll want to stay in a gaining phase, but this definitely seems to be a template Iāll be sticking with when itās surplus season. Might consider adding some deca or anavar next time around, as well (once I have my protocol more refined).
TL;DR: bulking on testosterone is a lot better than bulking without it