How long have you been on the current protocol now since you dropped your dose?
Itās been 2.5 months.
Also forgot to note that we are replacing Ibutamoren (25 mg ED) in my protocol with Tesamorelin. My IGF-1 on this last test was 207 (Ref 63-373), and a year ago it was at 288, so it seems I am not responding too well to Ibutamoren. Iāve read positive things about Tesamorelin, so Iām excited to try it out, though adding another injectable is a hassle.
Is that stuff expensive?
Ok. I may have missed it if you already posted this, so forgive me if this is redundantā¦
What was your TT and Free T on the protocol before vs the current protocol. I did see that you already posted the differences in SHBG and E2ā¦
All good, brother! Here you go:
Total T: 1919 (Ref 250-1100; last test 2889)
Free T: 422 (Ref 35-155; last test 543)
In terms of ratios, it was 1.9% and is now 2.2%.
The Tesamorelin? I actually donāt know yet. But Ibutamoren is pretty costly, and I think this will be cheaper. Fortunately I get it all covered by insurance!
Whatās the math here?
Ok based on that, I would say thatās your E2 is still a little low.
Thereās something to the ratio thing. A lot of guys have reported being at their best with a ratio (TT / E2) of around 15 or so.
Your last protocol was TT- 2889 / E2 91 = 31 You felt really good here, but tbh your in Supra ranges there so youād probably feel good no matter what.
Your current is TT - 1919 / E2 - 84 = 22
Your getting closer but if you let E2 go a little higher with that T level, Iād bet you would feel better.
Thatās the Free T/Total T ratio. My provider says 2-3% is where guys normally feel best.
I get that but do you know the math equation?
Iām not following your question, sorry. Itās just Free T divided by Total T.
Thats the equation! Hahahaā¦thanks.
Hmm. Now Iām really confused. My provider wanted to see the E2 number drop. He said 30-40 would probably be optimal for me. Youāre saying I should want E2 to go up?
I had just never figured out my ratio before. Looks like I am at 2.6%
This is trough on 70mg@twice a week so 140mg.
TT = 1137 (250 - 1100)
Free T = 295.6 (35 - 155)
E2 (Ultra Sens) = 65 (< = 29)
Impressive. And your TT:E ratio, which @bmbrady77 is talking about, is 17.5 (he says ~15 is usually best). So those numbers look pretty much optimal based on what Iāve seen. Youāre dialed in, brother!
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The numbers just confirm how I feel. But I do like to see everything is in line.
For sure. Interestingly, the prescribed ratios donāt back up how I feel. I felt better with āworseā Free T/Total T and Total T/E ratios previously. But thatās probably just because my Free T was so high (543) and is now, though still high, slightly lower (422).
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When I was on 210mg a week (injecting EOD so no real trough) my TT was 1998 and FT was 457.7 which puts my ratio at 2.3% but I didnt feel as good as I do at my current levels. So slightly inverse to yours.
So you feel better with Free T at 296 than you did at 458? Fascinating. Thatās what Iām hoping for. Iām a little wary of dropping my Free T but am trusting itās for the best.
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