I was about to ask the same question @wanna_be
Defy told me they would prescribed it if needed down the road but I know it isn’t that common.
Are you prescribed it?
@wanna_be Yes, I am prescribed it by Defy. I have a pretty extreme case, though, with my SHBG, and we tried other therapies for about a year before adding Danazol. We also worked up to my current dose. So you may need to be patient with them. It has been a huge addition to my protocol, though. Some of the other stuff (HCG, Metformin, Ibutamoren) are ‘nice to haves,’ but I think the T and Danazol are the two absolute essentials (for me).
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Great point. You guys would be wise if you’re just starting to do test only. Get that dialed in and add one thing at a time and you’ll get a clearer picture of what effects you in what ways. If you throw a bunch of shit in the mix at once, you’re going to have a hard time on TRT.
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Yeah man, I wish I had started with T only. Great advice. Now I have all this other stuff and it’s hard to know what is affecting me in what ways. It’s just an inconvenience and the cost adds up. I’ll eventually start dropping things, I imagine, but am hesitant to do so because I’m finally starting to feel great!
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I’m almost sure I’ve asked before @bkb333 but what dose/interval are you taking your testosterone?
Nvm, I found it, durrr.
200 mg T-cypionate split across 3 injections/week (was previously at 260, may lower further, but feeling great at 200 right now)
25 mg Danazol ED
25 mg Ibutamoren ED
600 IU hCG split across 2 injections/week
1,000 mg Metformin (500 mg 2X/day)
Yep. Tuesday-Thursday-Sunday right now. I feel better at 200 mg 3X/week than I did at 260 mg 2X/week. HCG Thursday-Sunday.
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People do that to me all the time at work and drives me nuts. I have a coworker who is maybe 6 months to a year older than me and older coworkers will ask him if he remembers a show from the 80’s. Then say to me you wouldn’t have seen it. What the fuck are you talking about were the same damn age! lol.
I asked one coworker how old he thought I was because of his comments he was making and he told me 25 maybe. I’ll be 39 next month. Funny thing is I have worked the same place for 18 years how the hell would I only be only 25.
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Ugh, dude. That used to piss me off so much. Really poked at my sense of self and sense of my masculinity, SMH. I feel you!
Could be worse. People think I’m in my late 30’s and I just turned 27
I get it. Its all on what your insecurities are. I feel like in a meeting and getting comments like that, my insecurities tell me I’m being looked at as the young punk kid lol.
How did they go about suggesting Metformin, Ibutamoren, and Danazol, instead of just the test?
Well, Metformin was my idea. I’ve read a lot about its anti-aging properties, body-comp effects, and longevity benefits. Just wanted to try it. I plan to stay on. It’s so cheap and I do think it helps with body comp and controlling cravings/hunger. Ibutamoren was added early on because my IGF was somewhat low. I made the decision on my own to switch to EOD (from ED) and IGF plummeted, so I went back to ED. We started with just T for a few months but eventually added Danazol because SHBG was not lowering significantly; Danazol has made a big difference in that regard. We worked up from 25 mg EOD to 25 mg ED.
I heard of the benefits of metformin before, but I was concerned about its ability to raise SHBG. Ibutamoren sounds very interesting and safer then using regular GH if there was a need for it. I was curious about figuring out my own IGF since my testosterone was already low at my age as well. I don’t like the risks of having to take GH peptides if I had a deficiency though. Any risks of sides your doctor discussed with you on that? Sounds like you are doing great and looking good with everything you are doing now though. Never even heard of people using Danazol for TRT before, but I am very green to this stuff.
Yeah, Metformin can indeed raise SHBG, but from what I understand the impact isn’t too severe – not enough to deter me.
To be honest, I don’t remember any risks of Ibutamoren being discussed. I believe it is a rather safe compound, though I’m sure if you dig deep enough you can find something negative (as you probably could with any peptide or anti-aging medication).
I also didn’t know about Danazol until I started diving deep into the forums. There still isn’t that much out there – it isn’t used that often – but it’s been a lifesaver for a few of us with very high SHBG. Others have tried Anavar, Winstrol, and Proviron and had some success. Considering long-term effects on the liver, I felt most comfortable with Danazol and my provider felt good about it, too.
I don’t mean to make you paranoid but something worth looking into about Metformin after my own research on this is Ben Greenfields article on Metformin, I am sure the Ibutamoren is fairly safe, anything that’s going to have a large effect on the body will most likely have some kind of side effects. So long as they don’t cause the issues that using GH does directly then I wouldn’t worry myself. That is interesting, personally I didn’t know anyone on TRT was stacking it with things like Anavar and Winstrol, those are some powerful oral AAS that can e pretty harsh on the liver, especially long term as I am sure you are aware so having that other option is great.
Yeah man, not many out there are on Anavar or Winstrol, but there definitely are some from the high-SHBG crowd. I believe Dr. Rand McClain has recommended this approach before (at very low doses).
I love Ben and am familiar with his former take on Metformin, but he’s done a 180. Check out his podcast episode with Jay Campbell where Ben gets educated and refutes that article. One of the more informative pods I’ve listened to in the past year, highly recommend!
Ahh interesting, yeah it is hard to follow everyone’s advice in the bio hacking, anti aging, whatever you call it world. They all seem to have differing opinions and for myself I just like to be aware of what is going on full spectrum. I will check it out.
Yeah dude, they definitely contradict each other all the time and have different priorities. For example, I like Dave Asprey, but a lot of other anti-aging people shit on him. I think his business interests get in the way sometimes and he’s definitely not a fitness expert by any means.
Did you feel any sudden change when you switched to injections coming off the cream? Better or worse?
To clarify I mean within days versus weeks.
Nothing too remarkable, but libido did definitely feel worse for a short time. It took me about a month to get adapted to the injections, then I started feeling better (on a consistent basis) than ever before. I prefer injections.