Not so far
Bet itāll help you
I am wondering if itās good to take always while on TRT just as a precaution. Baring in mind you donāt get nasty side effects from the dose.
Hey @bkb333. We havenāt chatted in a while and hope you are well. Leaving this here in case you want to read more:
An option to test TRT while trying to maintain LH action. Take care.
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Physique updateā¦
Weighing 182 lbs. I lost a lot of muscle after my hip surgery, dropping 20 lbs., but have clawed back to (and perhaps slightly beyond) my starting point. Proud to have never let my discipline waver even when I sure didnāt feel like training. Not tracking macros or anything, just eating intuitively and watching the scale slowly go up.
Iām starting to get a bit fluffy, so weighing a cut for beach season. Long-term goal is to be lean at 190, but thatās likely 10 years away, so maybe Iāll shed a bit of fat and then resume the lean bulk this fall.
Thoughts?
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@mkb333 shoulders look good and congrats on the discipline it takes a lot especially after losing 20 lb
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I tried P5P didnt do muchā¦almost worse. I think I gonna give proviron a try. Just for short term benifits. But some say it wont lower shbg but it still attach to the shbg āblock itā
It will be if you keep cutting every time you get very slightly fluffy! I know weāve gone back and forth in this a few times but a long term bulk (Iād continue on now if I were you), building up to 200+ (210/215 even) and holding that for a long time before cutting will get you a lean 190 quicker than bulk/cut for years in end.
Looking good now though well done on the perseverance!
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I was up to a soft but strongish 230 @ 5ā10". Was pretty lean at 195, but I bet upper 180s maybe 190 would have looked jacked.
Just an observation, but a lot of the more muscular guys I know have taken that path. Get big, hold there, cut down.
It does suck looking like a whale though haha. In hindsight, I donāt know if I would have gotten quite as large.
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Yea, it definitely seems the more direct and overall successful route, and @bkb333 has the natural propensity to be lean, getting bigger and a bit fluffier will be difficult, getting lean at the end of it will be no problem at all.
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Yea thats also my case. I gained some size only when i finally pushed through being fat for year and a half
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what are your guys refractory period?..I have high shbg and what I read on internet almost all ppl seem to have like a couple of hours then ready to go. For me its like 3 days
Massive individual variance, and my refractory period varies from day to day too
Took some time off, as I like to do, but Iām back.
Over the summer, I read Antifragile. Tremendous book for thinking outside the box. Taleb is against many new medical interventions, including HRT. (See a summary here: AntifragileĀ /Ā Getting Stronger)
He suggests HRT is a novel agent that āfragilizesā us. I donāt think this would apply to someone in desperate need of hormones, but it could apply to many of us from the āhealthyā population (you know, the optimization-minded guys).
Something Iāve been reflecting on ā Iād love to hear what others think of this take.
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wtf is refratory referring to?
I never bulk and get pretty big and leanā¦ imo bulking is a waste of time. many have shown it isnt needed. so much work 
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DATA ALERT 
I come seeking wisdom on my labsā¦
First, the not-so-bad results:
And the concerning results:
Protocol: 220 mg T-cyp, injected 2X/week; 3.6 g fish oil, 5 mg Tadalafil, and 50 mg P5P every day. I feel good. Not āSupermanā amazing, but not bad! Libido is solid. Not a ton of motivation to lift but Iām disciplined so I donāt miss any sessions.
Iām most troubled by cholesterol. My HDL has always been low, but 28 is really low. Interestingly, HDL is lower than itās ever been before, even though this is a T dose relative to my history. In January, at 260 mg/week, plus 25 mg EOD Danazol, HDL was 39. Perhaps I should reintroduce Danazolā¦but I was trying to simplify things.
FT (23.8) isnāt through the roof (again, this is in the context of my previous high numbers) but is good. E2 (40) is quite low for me. This is probably because SHBG (110) has shot back up (68 last test).
LH and FSH are both very low ā should I be concerned?
I plan to see two doctors (cardiologist in Boston and Defy) for opinions. Please share your thoughts!
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TBH, I havenāt seen all those lipid tests before. Looks like LDL is a tad high, but not something Iād worry about personally. HDL is a low. My lipids arenāt always great. I am thinking Iāll add Citrus Bergamont to my supplement stack. An effective dose of it is really inexpensive (like $0.25/day). Iād encourage you to look up that supplement. It seems to improve the lipids to the level of many Rx drugs from what Iāve read. Probably something I should pull the trigger on.
As to the LH and FSH, Iād expect those to be near 0 on testosterone. Iād not bother thinking about that.
Most of your labs look pretty good to me aside from the HDL.
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I know those labs are extensive. Most elaborate script Iāve ever gottenā¦but worth it to do this every once in a while, IMO, if youāre on TRT.
Thanks for weighing in, brother ā your lack of freaking out is reassuring 
I actually took CB for a while. Maybe I should re-add itā¦
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looks like this is working. any side effects that you know of?