I’m guessing same as you – he starts people on that, they feel good, so they don’t try anything different.
Ya it’s just the literal opposite of what I’ve seen researching over the last 9 years while I’ve been on HRT. And I frequent the EXCELMALE forum every day along with a bunch of fb groups daily. I’ve only seen guys feel better the more frequent they inject, and then there will be the rare guy here and there that feels better ok once per week injections vs EOD or twice per week. Really just have to stay on the same dose and try switching up ur injection frequencies and see what works best for u
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Might be jumping the gun, but so far I feel better on my lower dose (down to 160, was at 263 and had been as high as 310). I feel less anxious/hurried/emotional/angry…more like the calm, chill guy I used to be.
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New labs!
TT 1185
FT 2.69 (Ref 0.87-5.47) (MHB uses Quest, so FT number looks different)
SHBG 68
E2 42
Numbers were higher across the board on my last labs (I was at 260 mg/week and on Danazol 25 mg EOD, now just T-cyp @ 160/week) – for example, FT was twice the ref range, and now I’m around mid-ref range. Again, hard to translate given the lab change, but FT is definitely much lower.
I feel…pretty good! I feel calmer. Decent (though not great) progress in the gym.
That said, my libido is a bit lower. I like that my body seems to be getting healthier (HCT dropped from 51-46 – also helps that I’m eating more), but I think something between 160-260 will probably be my sweet spot. We’ll see what Dr. Applebaum thinks at my check-in.
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@swoops39 What have you observed, correlationally, when it comes to PRL and libido? For me, lower PRL has historically correlated with higher libido.
Libido goes up as PRL goes down, to a point. I had it measured last at 7 and I felt amazing, sex twice a day sometimes, also more energized. That was on 100-200mg of P5P daily for 6 weeks leading up to the blood draw last year on TRT
I have used Caber a handful of times, all the way back to pre-TRT days. I don’t have the records (this was before I started keeping all that stuff) but PRL was elevated according to my doc, did .25mg Caber 2x per week and after the first two doses I started getting panic attacks, couldn’t sleep, zero libido, didn’t even have a good in-between stage where I felt better, it was just 0-100 in a week. So, I stopped that and didn’t go back to the doc. I started AAS shortly there after.
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Great to know. Thanks so much man. You just used OTC P5P? I’ve never looked into it.
Interestingly, I felt best around a similar PRL (5.6). Lower and higher didn’t feel as good.
Yeah just what I could find on Amazon. I have played around with doses and I’m currently on 50-100mg daily to see if I get the same outcome, or if the higher dose really mattered. I have 3 weeks until labwork, so we’ll see. But your results track pretty well with mine
Really fascinating man. Do you take B6 as well or have you replaced it? Currently taking 200 mg/day.
Another Q: how do you feel, subjectively, on your current dose vs the higher dose?
@swoops39 got some 50 mg tabs. Think I should start at 50 or 100?
This post reminded me I had some prescription cabergoline. Yesterday afternoon I ate a half of one and felt amazing, like actually had libido. Ended up having sex a couple times and both times was more into it than i normally am which was nice.
Is this enough evidence to suggest I could benefit from taking a little? If so, I wonder how much.
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I’d say definitely. I think caber can be a bit too much for some guys, but maybe if you find the right dose and timing schedule it could be magic for you. PRL is so important
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Yea for sure. I can’t remember what mg mine are. I took half as that’s what my doctor said to take when he originally prescribed them. Think a half once a week starting out would be good?
I honestly have no idea, never messed with caber, but yeah, I’d stick with what your doc said
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So far I think I felt better on 100mg. I’m on 50 now, will up it next week. My e2 is very high (cos TT is higher) right now, that could be part of it. But, I’ve had success using the P5 instead of using an AI, so far
That’s a decent reaction, and I think how Caber is suppose to work, from what I hear. I would just say go slow, it has a long HL and if you felt that way right away, I’d worry about PRL going too low in a week or two’s time. I get .5mg tablets and usually break them in half, once per week. The ones I have are long expired but still seem to work just fine. I have thought about experimenting with it again in place of the P5P, but I remember those panic attacks and change my mind lol
This is very true. On reddit I see tons of post of guys complaining about no libido, no energy, no drive, ED, and when I ask if they had their PRL checked they say no, but they’ve gotten everything else checked. It really should be part of labwork for pre-TRT and on TRT. I always tell my doc to add it when I do labs.
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Yea I’ve had time to do a little more readin since I made my initial post on it. Seems the half life is almost 70 hours. I had a great reaction honestly. Thanks to past SSRI use I have trouble finishing and loss of sensitivity. This seemed to GREATLY improve that. I was also able to go twice back to back which although rare, I don’t really care. First one is plenty good enough to count 
I think going forward I’m just gonna let time pass and see what happens. Mine are fairly old and .5mg as well. I took that half, noted the date and time and I’ll see how long I can enjoy the benefits. Prolactin is not something I wish to crash.
I’d have to dig up my old labs but originally when looking for possible solutions the script was written when my prolactin was a touch over middle of the range. I only took a dose or two and it was long ago, not sure I noticed anything (I obviously stopped for a reason). But this time it seems to have made a HUGE difference. Fingers crossed it wasn’t a one time deal or a major placebo, although I didn’t expect anything from taking it so who knows. The brain is a powerful thing.
We have a lot of labs and data about how TT influences e2 and DHT, but I haven’t come across a lot that shows how greatly PRL is influenced by e2 (I know it is to a degree), how quickly it goes up or down naturally, post-orgasm recovery seems to vary wildly. I’m still trying to find that happy place with it, but I think you’re on the right track with monitoring Caber use and seeing how long your response is
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