[quote]belligerent wrote:
I say take the bitch out. Plant some methamphetamine in her desk and call the cops. Set fire to a trash can and say she did it. Take from Scientology, write letters to the school from a fake human rights organization claiming that she is anti-semetic. Then throw her ass in the closet and stuff an enormous dowel rod up her ass. I think that she would enjoy it.
You need to own this slut and make her know that you don’t take shit.[/quote]
Damn that’s rough
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
Congrats on skating by. Enjoy the next 27 years of mediocrity. Twits like you are the reason ignorant morons like Bert have ammo to trash our profession, school boards hate us, and the general public thinks we sit on our asses and do nothing. You are truly an asshole and don’t sound like you learned a single thing from your panic today besides the fact that you got away with it.
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Dude, you described yourself as habitually tardy. Where’s the personal integrity? That says alot. I fucked off at work, but at least I was there when they expected me to be. Good example for the kids that see you come in late all the time. Yup. Class A.
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
I agree, don’t be late anymore.
Another tip from a friend of mine, to deal with difficult people, his complete philosophy, which has brought him much career success, is to “Smile and Nod”.
Remember, “Smile and Nod”…[/quote]
Unfortunately, if the anally-retentive coworker bases her attack on facts, smiling and nodding won`t be of any help.
Hey SonnyS:
Are you late to class or late coming on campus before the day begins?
If you’re late to class, I wish you’d gotten fired. I’m a young teacher in a private school, and thinking of you being late to class makes me sick. How could you be late for work when you have students waiting for you? Do you have any sense of what sort of message that sends? Leaving students waiting for you is awful and you should have been fired. People like you give people like me a bad name and I hope you find yourself a different line of work.
If you’re just late to campus, disregard what I said above. There’s nothing worse than nerdy, annoying, brown-noser teachers who think they get to police other teachers.
If you’re consistently late, it might be worth thinking about whether this is the right job for you. It’s no secret that people avoid what they don’t want to do…and that includes chronic lateness.
Paid = Professional?
I beg to differ.
Are you guys really this serious about work? I probably fit the traditional idea of having a corporate professional type job, and I find most of these responses to be pretty laughable. IT’S WORK. IT SUCKS. NOBODY WANTS TO BE THERE. People are late all the time, take long breaks and lunches, leave early, or just go talk to a coworker for a while…and the world moves right on along. Don’t even begin to hypocritically condemn him for being late to work. Late to the gym and left his workout partner waiting, OK, but not to work.
And don’t give me anything about, “Not everyone hates their job.” Maybe a relative few don’t HATE their jobs, but given a choice, I think just about EVERYONE would rather not be working, than working. We are there for money, and that is it. Every SECOND over 40 hours I’m stuck in the office, in a salaried position, is taking money OUT of my paycheck.
That said, you should probably try to get to work on time more often, or find a better way to sneak in. Tell the morning kids that class starts at 8:15 instead of 8. The rest of you need to watch Office Space and ignore the trite corporate crap that keeps spewing out of your mouths. We aren’t the CEO’s and you don’t have to verbally fellate us to convince us of your loyalty.
[quote]Bert wrote:
Every teacher teaches with the level of enthusiasm and lecture with as much conviciton and passion as pavarotti? somehow I find that difficult to fathom, I dont really think you believe or are serious about comparing teaching a class of 20 some kids or teenagers to be the same as training for your whole life and performing for millions the same.
I agree with having to deal with a immature audience, yet i remember the best teachers never really cared about the slackers and losers and taught they people who were there to learn.
As for why i would not want to be a teacher, for the same reason i would never work for a union, i want to be judged on my performance, my work, not subject to rules and seniority that would hamper a productive person from advancing beyond someone who does not work as hard or perform as well.
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Bert:
These claims were too out of line to just leave sitting there.
First, on the point about how your work is judged, it’s called private school. No union, no tenure, annual performance reviews that depend on the quality of your work. I work in private schools because I think they recruit teachers who aren’t afraid to be evaluated and have their asses on the line all the time, just like you do in your job. I took over a class for a teacher who was removed mid-year.
On the point about slackers: the so-called losers and slackers can be reached. Ever been in a classroom when a kid who has been difficult and unengaged suddenly comes around, gets it, and buys into the whole thing? When the material seems immediate and deeply personal/meaningful? Sure I like working with gifted kids, but getting the “losers” on board is awesome.
And that, actually, segues nicely to my final point. Perhaps the family/loved ones you have who are teachers just aren’t inspired, or you’ve never seen them in action if they are. Great teaching absolutely rises to the level of brilliant performance. I know I can, as you put it, “lecture with as much conviciton and passion as pavarotti”.
Finally: You say, dismissively, “I dont really think you believe or are serious about comparing teaching a class of 20 some kids or teenagers to be the same as training for your whole life and performing for millions the same.” Guess what? It is, in certain ways, harder. Artists do not have audiences who are compelled to stay. I find it thrilling to lecture to a roomful of kids who may have wanted to leave at the beginning of class but are sitting in rapt attention by the end.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.
A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.[/quote]
Okay, the paragraph before this was pretty annoying, but THIS one I can respond to. My last job was at a SUNY institution with a tenured full professor who matches your description except he’s older and not obese. Current job I had to deal with a psycho bitch who was older and handicapped and made sure everything was everyone else’s fault. And as the tech person, I had to jump whenever these people wanted something, and they always found fault with me, and complained.
But that kind of person can’t hide the way they are. I realized in both cases that, so long as I did my job in a professional manner and never started a fight and always had rational reasons for my actions, that my superiors always supported me, EVEN AGAINST NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS.
You discovered today that perhaps the co-worker’s personality is well-known, and your superiors aren’t going to lend much credence to “their” complaint. In fact, I would guess that no one has a greater say in your standing in that place than you.
If you eventually don’t get tenure, it’ll be because of your actions, not someone else’s.
[quote]hedgrinder wrote:
Are you guys really this serious about work? I probably fit the traditional idea of having a corporate professional type job, and I find most of these responses to be pretty laughable. IT’S WORK. IT SUCKS. NOBODY WANTS TO BE THERE. People are late all the time, take long breaks and lunches, leave early, or just go talk to a coworker for a while…and the world moves right on along. Don’t even begin to hypocritically condemn him for being late to work. Late to the gym and left his workout partner waiting, OK, but not to work.
And don’t give me anything about, “Not everyone hates their job.” Maybe a relative few don’t HATE their jobs, but given a choice, I think just about EVERYONE would rather not be working, than working. We are there for money, and that is it. Every SECOND over 40 hours I’m stuck in the office, in a salaried position, is taking money OUT of my paycheck.
That said, you should probably try to get to work on time more often, or find a better way to sneak in. Tell the morning kids that class starts at 8:15 instead of 8. The rest of you need to watch Office Space and ignore the trite corporate crap that keeps spewing out of your mouths. We aren’t the CEO’s and you don’t have to verbally fellate us to convince us of your loyalty. [/quote]
I’ve fellated nobody and I think you are way off base. A lot of people like their work and my guess is teachers are amongst the highest percentage in this group. Many could be making more in the business sector, but choose not their career for the non-monitary benefits.
I, for one, love my work. Yes, there will always be times when I’d rather be golfing,fishing,spending time with the kids or whatever, but that doesn’t mean I dislike my job.
You have options. My advice is you look into those.
By the way, most salaried positions require more than 40 hours and you agreed to that AND your salary for those hours every time you renew your contract or sign your appraisal. Time to grow up.
This Bert guy sounds really important.
“Some days you’re the bird and some days you’re the statue”
Here is a little business trick for superiors. And it’s dubbed by a reknowned psychologisy.
“You are right, I apologize, this will not happen in the future.”
You apologized, you told them they are right, you told them it won’t happen again, and you said it like you are staying. There is nothing more you need.
[quote]vaughn5000 wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
First of all, to whoever thinks that union people are not professionals, PLEASE come to my factory. There are about 100 or so Big, Burly Steelworkers that will beat the living hell out of you before we run various parts of your body through our nifty machines that you can not run, and wont touch becuase it might cause your pasty white hands to get dirty.
That’s the union way! Threats of violence and intimidation.
Notice you didn’t point to the quality of your work, and only alluded to the skill and training you have. You went right for the “we’re tough and we’ll kick your ass if you don’t like unions”.
Nice job lending credence to stereotypes of unions and union workers.
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I am sorry. But it would seem that certain white-collar members of this board feel like they are better then blue-collar people. It seems to me that some people beleive that becuase they sit in an office they are better then those that swing a hammer or run a machine.
The office people get up every morning, from their bed filled with cotton grown by farmers, put on their clothing made of cotton, sewn by factory workers, They eat their breakfast, cooking it on a stove that was made with iron ore mined by miners, smelted by steelworkers, and bent into shape by press brake operators. They sit in chairs of wood cut by lumberjacks and cut by sawmillers. T
hey live in big houses that were put together by fellers wearing carhartt overalls swinging estwing hammers. Then they go to work in cars made by men and women working in auto factories in detriot. I am sorry that I feel this way, but it tires me to no end to see people looking down on people becuase they use their backs instead of their minds to make their livings.
I am going through college, but I am very proud to be a steelworker, and have been a construction worker, and done some oil work. I have found that the people with the least amount of education are the ones that help each other roof their houses, are the ones that show up and help you move, and are able to fix their pick up trucks when they break down.
www.turnoverball.com
Where I work
[quote]hedgrinder wrote:
And don’t give me anything about, “Not everyone hates their job.” Maybe a relative few don’t HATE their jobs, but given a choice, I think just about EVERYONE would rather not be working, than working. We are there for money, and that is it. Every SECOND over 40 hours I’m stuck in the office, in a salaried position, is taking money OUT of my paycheck.
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Are you for real? Apparently you’ve never met or had a real conversation with a priest, rabbi, imam, nun/monk, teacher, chef, journalist, trauma surgeon, EMT, or any of the many other professions that people feel themselves ‘called’ to.
Many of us find our work inspiring and engaging. I, for one, can’t wait to see my students in the morning and find that although I enjoy the summers off, I really look forward to starting school again in the fall.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
I am sorry. But it would seem that certain white-collar members of this board feel like they are better then blue-collar people. It seems to me that some people beleive that becuase they sit in an office they are better then those that swing a hammer or run a machine.
The office people get up every morning, from their bed filled with cotton grown by farmers, put on their clothing made of cotton, sewn by factory workers, They eat their breakfast, cooking it on a stove that was made with iron ore mined by miners, smelted by steelworkers, and bent into shape by press brake operators. They sit in chairs of wood cut by lumberjacks and cut by sawmillers. T
hey live in big houses that were put together by fellers wearing carhartt overalls swinging estwing hammers. Then they go to work in cars made by men and women working in auto factories in detriot. I am sorry that I feel this way, but it tires me to no end to see people looking down on people becuase they use their backs instead of their minds to make their livings.
I am going through college, but I am very proud to be a steelworker, and have been a construction worker, and done some oil work. I have found that the people with the least amount of education are the ones that help each other roof their houses, are the ones that show up and help you move, and are able to fix their pick up trucks when they break down.
www.turnoverball.com
Where I work
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Great post.
[quote]InCorporeSano wrote:
hedgrinder wrote:
And don’t give me anything about, “Not everyone hates their job.” Maybe a relative few don’t HATE their jobs, but given a choice, I think just about EVERYONE would rather not be working, than working. We are there for money, and that is it. Every SECOND over 40 hours I’m stuck in the office, in a salaried position, is taking money OUT of my paycheck.
Are you for real? Apparently you’ve never met or had a real conversation with a priest, rabbi, imam, nun/monk, teacher, chef, journalist, trauma surgeon, EMT, or any of the many other professions that people feel themselves ‘called’ to.
Many of us find our work inspiring and engaging. I, for one, can’t wait to see my students in the morning and find that although I enjoy the summers off, I really look forward to starting school again in the fall.
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Am I for real? You think the average traffic cop, if they had a choice, would work, versus not work, if they could still get that paycheck? It’s called work, because 99% of the time it entails doing something unpleasant that requires compensation in order for it to get done. I said relatively FEW jobs, not all.
Why didn’t you list mid-level manager? used-car salesman? secretary? waitress? cook(different than “chef”), or any other number of professions. How about janitors? Do people feel a “calling” to that? Not everyone has a “calling” to fix people, either religiously or physically, engineer food, or have the talent to be one of the few writers that can make a living off of it. Let’s also not forget that just because you feel a “calling” to be a doctor or writer, this has nothing to do with your actual aptitude for that position.
[quote]hedgrinder wrote:
InCorporeSano wrote:
hedgrinder wrote:
Why didn’t you list mid-level manager? used-car salesman? secretary? waitress? cook(different than “chef”), or any other number of professions. How about janitors? Do people feel a “calling” to that? Not everyone has a “calling” to fix people, either religiously or physically, engineer food, or have the talent to be one of the few writers that can make a living off of it. Let’s also not forget that just because you feel a “calling” to be a doctor or writer, this has nothing to do with your actual aptitude for that position.
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Youre right! I personally feel the calling to be a rocket scientist, a doctor and a NBA star.
Unfortunately, I only scored a C in college algebra, the closest thing to surgery I have done is pull my thumbnail off with my pliers in intro to literature class and I am only 5’9" and have never played basketball in my life.
Just Smile and Nod, my friend, Smile and Nod…
Hopefully age will bring some wisdom to these ass clowns.
Alternately, McDonalds is almost always hiring, and you can probably go detest working there while you ask if you can supersize that for me.
Are you lovin’ it?
Have her elimanated.
On what Barneyfife wrote, I dont think the issue is blue-collar vs white-collar, but rather the common we will bully you if you dont follow mentality usually seen in blue-collar unions that was targeted.
Both groups are needed. But some behaviours and out-of-date premises I could do without, too.