Ratted Out At Work

[dollarbill44]

[quote]djrobins wrote:
Its real simple.

If she was one of your peers AND
your being late did not affect the rest of the team, then yes you can have an issue with her.

Sometime those what we call “rats” have too much time on thier hands and instead of doing their own work, only sit around collecting stuff to snitch on other people about. Its true.

And a true rat actually recieve a pleasure from the ratting in itself. So you kinda are “bent over” if you are being folded under the pressures of a rat…

The real issue is, if this is a job where promotions are in order. Say that you were always a steller performer, mr or mrs rat snitch on the small detail which has never affected your performance or getting the work done, now mr boss is watching you and make it harder for you to work. The rat also while might not be doing work, get an automatic boost from helping the boss out…

I guess decide if you like being “bent over” or not and do something about it, or accept it and stay “bent over”.[/quote]

I think you’re missing the point here. He admitted that he’s always late. And whether or not his being late affects the physical performance of his peers, the fact that he is not meeting the standards that the others are, does effect the morale of the group.

Take it from someone who is on time and has a co-worker who is usually over an hour late (sometimes 2 hours). It doesn’t effect my performance, but it irritates the hell out of me and my other co-workers. I have taken it up with him, but to no avail. His response is, “[boss] doesn’t care when I come in as long as I get my work done” (he doesn’t pull his weight either). None of us have gone to our boss because we don’t want to sound like complainers.

So, while what she did is cowardly (unless of course she’s addressed this with him in the first place), but his constant tardiness is equally bad if not worse. Don’t excuse his tardiness because someone else is a “rat” for pointing it out to a superior.

DB

[sasquatch]

[quote]djrobins wrote:
Its real simple.

If she was one of your peers AND
your being late did not affect the rest of the team, then yes you can have an issue with her.

Sometime those what we call “rats” have too much time on thier hands and instead of doing their own work, only sit around collecting stuff to snitch on other people about. Its true.

And a true rat actually recieve a pleasure from the ratting in itself. So you kinda are “bent over” if you are being folded under the pressures of a rat…

The real issue is, if this is a job where promotions are in order. Say that you were always a steller performer, mr or mrs rat snitch on the small detail which has never affected your performance or getting the work done, now mr boss is watching you and make it harder for you to work. The rat also while might not be doing work, get an automatic boost from helping the boss out…

I guess decide if you like being “bent over” or not and do something about it, or accept it and stay “bent over”.[/quote]

Yah, you got it all put together. You sound like someone I want on my team. Are you looking for work?

There exists such a thing as personal responsibility. If you are hired to perform a job and given the parameters and discription of that job you shoul;d then do that job. Being late is lazy and irresponsible. It matters not that it affects the work of your co-workers or anyone else.

The ‘rat’ is really not even part of the issue here. The simple fact that this person decided to tell this story to a group of people shows his lack of professionalism and comittment. Why would he even think it was someone elses fault for his lack of promptness? Why would he blame someone else for his laziness and think it would be acceptable to most people? Why do you have issues with the teller and not the doer?

The mere fact that this person sees no issues with being late would have me seriously doubting the quality of any work performed. And when it comes to promotions, I look as much at the effort and comittment as I do the results. Results can often times be fortuitous. Ethics and character are time earned evaluatory measures.

You enjoy your ‘don’t get bent over attitude’ It will serve you well as you get my fries and coke without screwing it up.

[snipeout]

[quote]Bert wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Bert wrote:
I joined this site a while ago but this is the first time im replying to a persons post, that isnt workout related. Your a Teacher, what you have to be there by 8:00 or 9:00 am and your done at around 3:00 or 3:30. and you cant be on time for work?

Thank god I work in a professional enviroment ( you belong to a union, your not a professional) where we are expected to be adults and have our work finished not matter how long it takes, I would just love to take a teacher to work with me for a week and let them see what work is like without a union, meeting deadlines, working 10 to 12 hours a day to get something done that has to be out the next day, working through lunch and dinner.

You complain that your superior is ratting you out? is it her fault she puts in more hours then what her contract says and she busts her ass? nope. I guess its true “those who can do, those you screwed around in university and had fun and didnt know what they wanted to do, and ended up with some degree, and decided to go to teachers college so they could get summers off and work 200 days a year…teach”

Read the post, it was a co-worker not a superior. As for this person putting in more hours than the other in a job where most of your work and planning is done at home(my wife is a teacher), who gives a shit. All that tells me is that this person has no life, is not married or engaged and doesnt care how much time they spend away from home. You sound bitter about teachers only working 180 days a year and having summers off.

Oh and additionally you infer that i have no life, am not married or engaged, and do not care how much time i spend away from home…well allow me to retort…I am engaged to a beautiful woman, train 5 days a week, spend time with close friends, travel, work at a firm where being DRIVEN to succeed is considered an asset.

I do these things to provide for my future, be a responsible adult, hopefully succeed to a point where when i am 40, i am (26), I can have reached a point in my professional life where I will be able to spend time with my future children, provide them with a high quality of life, ensure they learn the value of a education, be able to provide the resources for them to go as far as they can with whatever they choose. I would sink down to your level and make many inferences about what your life is like, yet I do not know you. So for me to do something like that would be unfair and irresponsible.
[/quote]

Actually my reference of no life was to the TEACHER who comes in early and stays late. If you take part in no after or before school activities you should be able to set up your classroom in a couple of minutes before leaving and complete anytihng else at home. It’s pointless to argue.

[Sonny_S]

Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.

[Bert]

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.
[/quote]

As I prepare to work into the late hours tonight of “my own time” I checked out this thread to see if any updates have been noted. Our friend did well on his evaluations and kept his job, arent unions wonderful.

As for whether to laugh or cry or yell, I would cry for the simple fact that you can slack, be late, and still be rewarded. Hope you never run into one of those union situations where your much more competent then another co-worker but get passed over for a promotion because they have more seniority then you. For all those who took offence to my point of view, some with really valid points, others with drivel, I thought of your points and agree teaching is a calling, a art, and a science.

For all those that work hard and succeed all the best to you. You deserve it. I just wish you had a chance to work outside a union and could be rewarded for your own merits, where the best and brightest get rewarded. And for all the rest who thought i was being a jerk for being opinionated, that is life, everyone has different views.

Still it amazes me that i can put together a thoughtful argument without resorting to name calling and being aggresive towards others, and I am only 26. I guess all those posts containing one line comments and “JACKASSES” “Gumming up the works” comes from 16 year olds, cause a adult would have the capacity to put together a intelligent argument right?

[vroom]

I have to take the opportunity to agree with Sasquatch.

If this person who “ratted” is a busybody and so on, everyone will certainly know it. That is not the real issue here. Your disdain for this person is not the issue here.

The issue is your own performance, and being late a lot is representative of that. Period. Do your job well and there is no issue… even with some busybudy regulation quoting annoying coworker.

[sasquatch]

smart move to apologize and move on.

BUT, your inability to accept the blame, as reasoned by your 3 paragraph justification, says more than your 2 sentence apology.

You can’t fix what you don’t acknowlege.

We’ve all worked with someone similar to your description. We’ve probably all been late once or twice. But, before I would write a post blaming someone else, I would have recognized my responsibility in the matter and moved forward. Somehow, you’ve managed to blame your boss, coworker, and even the President of the United States. Oh well.

[sasquatch]

[quote]vroom wrote:
I have to take the opportunity to agree with Sasquatch.

If this person who “ratted” is a busybody and so on, everyone will certainly know it. That is not the real issue here. Your disdain for this person is not the issue here.

The issue is your own performance, and being late a lot is representative of that. Period. Do your job well and there is no issue… even with some busybudy regulation quoting annoying coworker.
[/quote]

Is he agreeing with me,

Are you agreeing with me…

You’re one bad MoFo

[sasquatch]

[quote]Bert wrote:
Sonny S wrote:
Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.

As I prepare to work into the late hours tonight of “my own time” I checked out this thread to see if any updates have been noted. Our friend did well on his evaluations and kept his job, arent unions wonderful.

As for whether to laugh or cry or yell, I would cry for the simple fact that you can slack, be late, and still be rewarded. Hope you never run into one of those union situations where your much more competent then another co-worker but get passed over for a promotion because they have more seniority then you. For all those who took offence to my point of view, some with really valid points, others with drivel, I thought of your points and agree teaching is a calling, a art, and a science.

For all those that work hard and succeed all the best to you. You deserve it. I just wish you had a chance to work outside a union and could be rewarded for your own merits, where the best and brightest get rewarded. And for all the rest who thought i was being a jerk for being opinionated, that is life, everyone has different views.

Still it amazes me that i can put together a thoughtful argument without resorting to name calling and being aggresive towards others, and I am only 26. I guess all those posts containing one line comments and “JACKASSES” “Gumming up the works” comes from 16 year olds, cause a adult would have the capacity to put together a intelligent argument right?
[/quote]

Actually-BERT,

Your poor use of grammar and your nonsensical arguments wrt to teachers and teaching showed me nothing resembling a thougtful argument. I don’t know what profession you are in but simple words like your and you’re are hardly brainteasers. Then/than–look 'em up.

I think it amazes most of us that you can type so well while attempting to pat your back and stroke your ego at the same time.

And no way YOU’RE 26. Come on really! Public or parochial? State or private?
Summa or Magna?

[SkyzykS]

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.
[/quote]

Is that why you are late all the time?

Cause If it is, you do have some very far reaching problems, not the least of which is punctuality.

When global economics cause tardiness, you should be in a much higher position than the one you currently occupy. Some kind of chancelor or prime minister would probably be more suitable.

Screw that teaching gig. You are much more important than that.
(it’s just a shame that vocal sarcasm can’t be conveyed electronicaly)

[kroc30]

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.
[/quote]

Congrats on skating by. Enjoy the next 27 years of mediocrity. Twits like you are the reason ignorant morons like Bert have ammo to trash our profession, school boards hate us, and the general public thinks we sit on our asses and do nothing. You are truly an asshole and don’t sound like you learned a single thing from your panic today besides the fact that you got away with it.

[kroc30]

[quote]Bert wrote:
Sonny S wrote:
Great news, I have been invited back for next year and my final evals were pretty good.

I talked to a different union rep about what to do. He gave me some solid advice about what to do. I apologized to my coworker, and one of the administrators as well.

Thanks to all the replies to the thread, even to those with negative replies. Some were quite amusing. Perhaps some of you are never tardy, in which case great. I am sure one could, if necessary, find faults in your professional comportment were one inclined to do so.

Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

A coworker who you could not compete with in regards to knowledge of minutiae, regulations, curriculum, procedures, etc even if you were a consummate professional.

To those of you who resent union jobs and teachers, I’m not sure whether to laugh, cry or yell at you for your ignorance.

May I suggest: instead of complaining about those with union jobs and how high your taxes (which pay for schools) are, you begin to take action against China, the loss of jobs in this country, Bush’s economic policies and the deficit. Or, you could sit in this forum and complain about how a teacher is entitled to more sick days than you.

As I prepare to work into the late hours tonight of “my own time” I checked out this thread to see if any updates have been noted. Our friend did well on his evaluations and kept his job, arent unions wonderful.

As for whether to laugh or cry or yell, I would cry for the simple fact that you can slack, be late, and still be rewarded. Hope you never run into one of those union situations where your much more competent then another co-worker but get passed over for a promotion because they have more seniority then you. For all those who took offence to my point of view, some with really valid points, others with drivel, I thought of your points and agree teaching is a calling, a art, and a science.

For all those that work hard and succeed all the best to you. You deserve it. I just wish you had a chance to work outside a union and could be rewarded for your own merits, where the best and brightest get rewarded. And for all the rest who thought i was being a jerk for being opinionated, that is life, everyone has different views.

Still it amazes me that i can put together a thoughtful argument without resorting to name calling and being aggresive towards others, and I am only 26. I guess all those posts containing one line comments and “JACKASSES” “Gumming up the works” comes from 16 year olds, cause a adult would have the capacity to put together a intelligent argument right?
[/quote]

By the way, Bert, if you knew a thing about teaching, you would know that getting tenure has absolutely nothing to do with a union and that the union can actually do very little to protect an untenured teacher. You really need to stop posting until you learn the actual facts.

[The3toedSloth]

[quote]sasquatch wrote:

Actually-BERT,

Your poor use of grammar and your nonsensical arguments wrt to teachers and teaching showed me nothing resembling a thougtful argument. I don’t know what profession you are in but simple words like your and you’re are hardly brainteasers. Then/than–look 'em up.

I think it amazes most of us that you can type so well while attempting to pat your back and stroke your ego at the same time.

And no way YOU’RE 26. Come on really! Public or parochial? State or private?
Summa or Magna?[/quote]

I think that Bert’s secretary is union. She doesn’t give a shit how SHE posts Bert’s arguments, because she’s just a lazy, union bitch. She doesn’t have time to spellcheck them, because she’s too busy doing her Sudoku.

Bert’s not stroking his ego while he’s typing.

|/ 3Toes

[874445435]

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Regardless, perhaps you have never had the pleasure to work with an anally-retentive, obsessive co-worker (who is unhappy with being obese, 39 yrs old and unmarried) who spends all their time at work and devotes far more time than is actually required to do their job and do it well. A coworker who is so obsessive that they have memorized every single datum, every scrap of information on any topic remotely connected with our workplace.

[/quote]

I’ve worked with this sort of person and they require a little understanding. In the UK, they are called ‘Hacks’ or ‘Brown Nosers’ althought that’s a term I learned in the army.

Even if you are ‘friends’ with them they will grass you up. Best advice for anyone working with this type be it school, workplace or as a teacher is keep your hands clean. If you have to be late or have an unavoidable oversleep then cover your tracks. But surely you owe it to the kids (or your firm as a worker) to get there on time anyway.

[BarneyFife]

First of all, to whoever thinks that union people are not professionals, PLEASE come to my factory. There are about 100 or so Big, Burly Steelworkers that will beat the living hell out of you before we run various parts of your body through our nifty machines that you can not run, and wont touch becuase it might cause your pasty white hands to get dirty.

Professional means you get paid to do something. Amatuer means you don’t get paid to do something. If your definition that you gave all of us were true, then only a few select people on this earth would be professionals. Everyone else would just be people with jobs.
I hate hate hate ignorant white collar people.

As far as your situation goes Sonny, tell her you want to take her out as pennance for making her mad. Then get her drunk, and cream her face when you get finished.

[slimjim]

[quote]Bert wrote:

As I prepare to work into the late hours tonight of “my own time” I checked out this thread to see if any updates have been noted. Our friend did well on his evaluations and kept his job, arent unions wonderful.

As for whether to laugh or cry or yell, I would cry for the simple fact that you can slack, be late, and still be rewarded. Hope you never run into one of those union situations where your much more competent then another co-worker but get passed over for a promotion because they have more seniority then you. For all those who took offence to my point of view, some with really valid points, others with drivel, I thought of your points and agree teaching is a calling, a art, and a science.

For all those that work hard and succeed all the best to you. You deserve it. I just wish you had a chance to work outside a union and could be rewarded for your own merits, where the best and brightest get rewarded. And for all the rest who thought i was being a jerk for being opinionated, that is life, everyone has different views.

Still it amazes me that i can put together a thoughtful argument without resorting to name calling and being aggresive towards others, and I am only 26. I guess all those posts containing one line comments and “JACKASSES” “Gumming up the works” comes from 16 year olds, cause a adult would have the capacity to put together a intelligent argument right?
[/quote]

Actually, I think it was pure genius that allowed me to convey my thoughts on your long-winded post in one line; with proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

[874445435]

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
As far as your situation goes Sonny, tell her you want to take her out as pennance for making her mad. Then get her drunk, and cream her face when you get finished.[/quote]

She’s bound to mention that one to someone, even if it is amateurfacials dot com.

[vaughn5000]

[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
First of all, to whoever thinks that union people are not professionals, PLEASE come to my factory. There are about 100 or so Big, Burly Steelworkers that will beat the living hell out of you before we run various parts of your body through our nifty machines that you can not run, and wont touch becuase it might cause your pasty white hands to get dirty.
[/quote]

That’s the union way! Threats of violence and intimidation.

Notice you didn’t point to the quality of your work, and only alluded to the skill and training you have. You went right for the “we’re tough and we’ll kick your ass if you don’t like unions”.

Nice job lending credence to stereotypes of unions and union workers.

[vroom]

Don’t you love pedantic clowns who don’t realize that language can have deeper implications than the simple basic definition?

Then, claiming you don’t know what you are talking about, they go on to berate you for not understanding the meaning of the word in question.

Put on the honking nose Bobo, you are a clown!

Regardless, both the “we are professionals” and the “we are union” camp seem to be making incredibly stupid arguments here.

[sasquatch]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Don’t you love pedantic clowns who don’t realize that language can have deeper implications than the simple basic definition?

Then, claiming you don’t know what you are talking about, they go on to berate you for not understanding the meaning of the word in question.

Put on the honking nose Bobo, you are a clown!

Regardless, both the “we are professionals” and the “we are union” camp seem to be making incredibly stupid arguments here.[/quote]

does pedantic = ass?

and since when does one automatically preclude the other. Heaven forbid we have union=professional anywhere?

alas, I agree with you once again.

Is there an election or religious thread running anywhere?