ok first of all working out if done properly and often enough is NEVER a waste of time. will smoking and drinking frequently hold you back…yes it will hinder your progress considerably. now if at least the rest of your diet is clean and you eat 6 times a day that will also help even out your bad habits. you can still make progress while smoking and drinking.
i say keep trucking cause one day you may wake up and wan’t to kick the habbit and see just how much untapped potential you have, and it’s always good to have a head start. all on a side note you should stop saying ya’ll so often it makes you sound like a hill billy. having said all that good luck. and don’t quit.
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
okay don’t tell me the answer is obvious just tell me an answer. i’m going to go drinking but i want to workout before. is it useless to workout or will i get some benefit from it??? thats all i need to know. and knock the cigarettes all you want but i guarantee none of ya’ll can run an 18min 3-mile. well i can so shut the fuck up.[/quote]
Did a six minute mile all of a sudden become elite in the last 24 hours? I think I saw a 10 year old kid run a 10K at six minute miles a couple of months ago. At that pace you could finish in the top 10 of 60-69 year old males
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
the reason my 3 mile time is an 18 is because that is the maximum fastest time you can get points for on your PFT for the Marine Corps. and yes i began lifting about 7 years ago b/c i live in texas and football is king. so you start lifting in middle school. i’m not trying to say ive been training to be a body builder since then. i’ve never done that…most body builders look fuckin ridiculous.
yall need to get a life in my opinion but i came to this website by the recommendation of another Marine Corps officer candidate. i came here to get my question answered and i figured why not post a picture to see what a bunch of lowlife bodybuilder wanna bes think. so this oughta be fun to here yall bitch about[/quote]
You do realize that you are not the only military person here? I hope you are infantry at least. If you are some fucking E-3 truck driver running his gay mouth, you can go suck start your M-9.
I was going to ask how many times you’ve been overseas, but I’m sure you are the guy who single handedly took Fallujah and I’m also sure you were the guy that linked up with the northern alliance and defeated the taliban with nothing but a jock strap, k-bar, and some ky jelly. redraidercorey, you are the new Chesty Puller of T-Nation.
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
so if i plan to go drinking but want to workout before, is it even worth it to workout? or should i just go drinking even earlier and not waste my time on the workout b/c i won’t get any benefits on it.[/quote]
I dont think it matters what time you drink as long as your drinking to much you will still get shity gains.
You will make gains even if you smoke and drink all the time. They will just suck ass.
I belive your 7 years of lifting and lift maxes prove this.
i say YA’LL b/c i’m from texas so deal with it. A 6-minute mile around runners isn’t that good but among well rounded atheletes its pretty good. obviously if its the fastest time the Marine Corps gives points for it must be pretty decent. The only reason i’m being hostile to YA’LL is b/c half of YA’LL sit on here all day and give your little jackass comments to real people with real lives.
well ‘flop hat’ i’m guessing your some army bitch with a chip on his shoulder b/c he just realized he’s in the biggest piece of shit organization in the world. and no i’m not an E-3 thats a fucking corporal dumb fuck. i’m an officer candidate which means i won’t get commissioned as an officer until august of next year and i ain’t a truck driver i’m on a fucking aviation contract you low life piece of shit
wow nw3b blah blah you are one chubby fuck piece of shit. have you ever got a fuckin girl? lemme guess you started lifting cuz you were the fat kid in high school and got made fun of?
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
well ‘flop hat’ i’m guessing your some army bitch with a chip on his shoulder b/c he just realized he’s in the biggest piece of shit organization in the world. and no i’m not an E-3 thats a fucking corporal dumb fuck. i’m an officer candidate which means i won’t get commissioned as an officer until august of next year and i ain’t a truck driver i’m on a fucking aviation contract you low life piece of shit[/quote]
Ha ha ha. You aren’t even in yet. You are a nobody. I can’t believe you are talking shit. You probably won’t even make it. You are now in my “stupid fucks” hall of fame. A shit talker who has done nothing, zero, zip.
I’m guessing that your are branching aviation, because it was too hard to tell daddy that you were afraid of the real fighting. I’m sure the guys in bagdad will be real impressed by your run times, your physique, and your standing as an officer cadet.
Next time I’m doing a jump out of a marine corp bird, I will look for you. I’m guessing you will be in the back of the bird, by the pisser, sucking dick for an airborne coin so you can pretend to be a real man in the bar.
well, my rating of 1 only knocked ya down to a 2.4, but i’m sure it’ll get lower. you got your answer about smoking and drinking, now go read some articles by the wise authors of this site like any other beginner should do. maybe you could gain a few pounds in the next seven years? best of luck with all the mouth runnin you do
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
wow nw3b blah blah you are one chubby fuck piece of shit. have you ever got a fuckin girl? lemme guess you started lifting cuz you were the fat kid in high school and got made fun of?[/quote]
Fuck, you are still the fat kid getting made fun of. Does your air force ROTC detachment know you are running around telling everyone you are going to be a marine?
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
wow nw3b blah blah you are one chubby fuck piece of shit. have you ever got a fuckin girl? lemme guess you started lifting cuz you were the fat kid in high school and got made fun of?[/quote]
Hah,
You look like crap, you have been lifting for 7 years and all I can tell is that your no stranger to curling a bar with 10’s on either side. The funny thing is that your not fat your pretty lean its just that you have nothing to show off.
Congrats on waisting your time, I can lose weight and when I do I will be much more muscular than you and I am already much stronger. How does it feel knowing that not only am I much younger than you I have made 100% more progress than you in around 1/4th the time?
Any way on to the other thing… I consider my self fat, most people I know dont so thats never been a problem for me. I didnt start lifting because I got picked on in highschool considering I started lifting before I went into highschool. But being able to kick the shit out of fruitcakes like you is definatley a good reason to keep lifting.
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
i say YA’LL b/c i’m from texas so deal with it. A 6-minute mile around runners isn’t that good but among well rounded atheletes its pretty good. obviously if its the fastest time the Marine Corps gives points for it must be pretty decent. The only reason i’m being hostile to YA’LL is b/c half of YA’LL sit on here all day and give your little jackass comments to real people with real lives. [/quote]
I’ve always believed that if you can’t do something someone else can do , you should stop complaning. I probaly can’t run 3 miles at 18 minutes and neither can the posters that say its not an elite time(its not). So i commend you on that. But since your new to the forum, it would be wise not to antagonize the current members of a bodybuilding forum where strength and size trumps endurance.
To answer your original question , smoking and drinking will undoubtedly hamper progress. It’d be nice to give an avg. of the amount you drink per week and the amt of cig’s you smoke. Oddviously you should cut down both.
Also quick question: say i go run or lift, and then i go out drinkin and smokin afterwards. does this completely negate any work i’ve done?
What the Frick? How is having a drinking problem and addiction to smoking related to lifting? Maybe you can be the first to quantify the effects drinking and smoking and then quantify the effects of your workout and do a statistical analysis of the information. Then you will be able to see if they negate each other. [/quote]
You really seem to know nothing about the effect alcohol has on your body.
And more I copied from Ascendant on steroid.com. I thought it was a decent reference and done pretty well.
Alcohol negatively affects protein synthesis - this is a known scientific fact guys and one that is obviously a big hinderance to our goals considering decreased protein synthesis means decreased muscle recovery and growth. though you may blow it off thinking it’s effects can’t be that dramatic, think again. alcohol can decrease our bodies ability to synthesize protein by up to 20%.
Alcohol adversely affects growth hormone and igf - this applies not only to exogenous, but endogenous gh and igf as well, and the effects are quite significant, particularly on igf. alcohol can lower igf levels by as much as 30-40%.
Alcohol causes dehydration - in order to break down the alcohol, the kidneys must filter a large amount of water. considering our muscles are made of 70% water and water plays a huge role in muscle recovery and growth, this is obviously a big problem. for those mistakingly thinking the dehydrating effect isn’t that significant, here’s something to think about… Alcohol can cause up to a 3% loss in body weight from water loss in a 4 hour period.
Alcohol lowers testosterone and increases estrogen levels - this occurs due to alcohols increase in our bodies aromitization process. now, anyone with even a basic knowledge on testosterone and estrogen would know this is a very unfavorable effect on our bodies. long story short, it’s effects include reduced muscle growth/recovery, increased fat storage, and other feminization effects.
Alcohol depletes our bodies of vitamins and minerals - the most prominent of those being the b vitamins (b-6,b-12, etc), vit a, vit c, phosphorous, calcium, and zinc. Obviously lacking in these nutrients can seriously hinder muscle growth, recovery, and even maintenance.
Calories from Alcohol are primarily stored as bodyfat - best said in this quote “carbohydrates found in alcohol are not converted into glucose and are used to make fatty acids that are stored as fat typically in the liver which eventually alters the metabolism of proteins and the liver?s function leading to fibrosis and cirrhosis (irreversible liver damage)” (article 3). . nuff said.
Alcohol negatively affects our bodies kreb’s cycle - this is our bodies ability to burn fat as an energy source. so if our body doesn’t burn fat as an energy source, the alternatives are blood glucose, muscle glycogen, and muscle protein, the third of which of course us bb’s try to avoid at all costs.
Alcohol negatively affects our REM sleep - this occurs even in minor alcohol consumption (2-3 drinks). it negatively affects the duration of our REM sleep, it’s quality, and the overall time we’re in REM during our resting period. see article 5 below for more info.
Alcohol decreases our bodies immune system - considering gear can lower our immunity systems as it is, alcohol can increase our chances of getting sick or getting infections even more, and quite dramatically, even in small amounts. obviously being sick means less time in the gym, or at least a decreased ability to recover while working out.
Alcohol increases cortisol production - cortisol is one of the worst chemicals we can have floating around in our bodies as far as negatively affecting our muscle mass. if you don’t know what cortisol is and why you want to avoid increasing it’s production, just do a wikipedia search about cortisol and you’ll see why. basically, it will break down muscle mass into amino acids as a stress response.
well, there you have it. even those who use the justification of moderate alcohol consumption can see that even at low levels of consumption, it can still have a dramatic impact on your gains. if the above information and the links provided below don’t convince you to try to stop the drinking and find other things to do to enjoy your weekends, then honestly i don’t know what to tell you.
maybe a good follow-up to this thread should be one giving a list of alternatives to drinking on the weekends and other ways to go out and have fun?
I see you are cursed by god, like me, with short biceps. Why did God do this to us? I don’t know. But it means you need to get hella lot skinnier than most people in order for your arms to look proportional to the rest of your body.
That said, limit your alcohol. I won’t ask to pick your poison, but light beer or a nice red wine would be the best choices.
[quote]redraidercorey wrote:
okay don’t tell me the answer is obvious just tell me an answer. i’m going to go drinking but i want to workout before. is it useless to workout or will i get some benefit from it??? thats all i need to know. and knock the cigarettes all you want but i guarantee none of ya’ll can run an 18min 3-mile. well i can so shut the fuck up.[/quote]
i gave you a 1 because you asked for a rating out of 10 and with the same breath insulted all the people who are rating you.
Tell me, have you been eating stupid pills, or were you dropped on your head as a child?
PS, don’t they have some kind of inteligance tests for some areas of the US army? how the fuck could you have passed any of them, i know, they were so impressed with your running they let you off with the low IQ.
You really seem to know nothing about the effect alcohol has on your body.
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Thanks for posting this information. I understand that drinking in excess has negative effects. My point was that the question showed an inability to reason on the behalf of the poster. One cannot know whether something negates another, in the situation described.
I would have to believe that working out is never completely useless, but that excessive drinking and smoking will always have negative effects on health and physiology. I am able to know that, with out reading the article that you posted.
Unlike our poster I do not have to ask other people to reason, or do research for me when I have a question. I was not trying to state that the question was absurd because drinking would in no way effect the effectiveness of the workout. I was trying to state that the poster was a non-thinker. Again, I appreciate your post. Spreading knowledge is always welcomed.