[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I really don’t listen to rap enough to judge whether or not it’s getting better or worse, and really I don’t think you can really judge music until many years have gone by and the social fads have died away. but when I do listen to it, it’s mostly older stuff. Run DMC is the shit, and I also like Public Enemy, Ice Cube, Tupac, and Coolio.[/quote]
RUN DMC… ROCK BOX
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I’m not going to really get into this discussion, because I think the thread loses a lot of credibility because of who started it. [/quote]
Which was the point I was making. I find it hilarious that someone who would write the following:
[quote]Now I commonly hear the B.S. excuse as to why the the Nigger word hits home so hard with "YOUNG " black people ,and it usually sounds like this…Blacks are so sensitive to the word nigger ,Because of the things they were put through that they associate with that word…I hear these excuses from Blacks in the 15-35 year old range very often …Well from what I remember of history class Slavery was over long long before the 70’s …
So these young blacks that claim the word NIGGER hits so hard from deep routed hardships placed on them by white society …ARE FULL OF SHAT …As they never experienced those hardships they claim to associate with the word nigger ,And It would be nice if the Black generation ages 15-35 would stop capitalizing on hardships they never experienced themselves to justify their way of life .[/quote]
…would then log on telling me how much “old school” rap he listened to as if he ever got any of it. I am younger than 35 yet he wrote in the other thread that I have experienced no racism that justifies any experience of hardship. Meanwhile, most of the music I grew up on, the very groups he claims to have listened to, focused very largely on many of those problems that WERE experienced by those of us who are now under the age of 35 but old enough to have lived through it.
He clearly has no clue what he is talking about, so why make a thread like this?
He’s a racist douche so excuse me if I don’t ignore the thread created by him as if he isn’t.
PX you say you don’t listen to the radio yet the rappers you listed were bandwaggon bitches? Jay-Z, ludacris(come on man), Diddy, Nas, all of them are media whores and sell-outs.
Your favorite MCs list sounds like another VH1 top-ten countdown list.
Underground rap is where it’s at.
[quote]Roy wrote:
PX you say you don’t listen to the radio yet the rappers you listed were bandwaggon bitches? Jay-Z, ludacris(come on man), Diddy, Nas, all of them are media whores and sell-outs.
Your favorite MCs list sounds like another VH1 top-ten countdown list.
Underground rap is where it’s at.[/quote]
Funny. Someone who judges the music they listen to by whether they are on the radio or not alone is who is on someone’s “bandwagon”. I listen to what sounds good to me, which usually is not what I hear on most radio stations. That wasn’t my “favorites list”. I listed some artists who do have music THAT SOUNDS GOOD that have come out recently. You, on the other hand, are trying to pretend as if they don’t make any good music at all. Who is riding a “bandwagon” here?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Beefcake wrote:
Slightly old school:
Very old school:
Older than most rappers today:
One more from Q-Tip:
No offense to old school rap at all, since much of it is playing in my car at all times, but Jay Z’s new cd is good. At least 3 tracks on Diddy’s are decent. Ludacris did a good job with his as well and Nas is still a poet. Those who act as if NO rap at all is decent today obviously don’t listen to the genre and are simply repeating what they’ve heard elsewhere.
If you don’t listen to the music, who gives a shit what you think about some rapper from 20 years ago?
What gets played on most radio stations is garbage. That is why I don’t listen to the radio and I doubt I am alone on that. If you are basing your judgement of an entire genre on what gets played on MTV, you are clueless on the subject.[/quote]
I agree with you completely, Professor X. Everyone I know who says, “rap sucks” doesn’t listen to rap.
Anyone who judges any genre of music solely from what they hear on the radio is an idiot.
There’s plenty of good rap out right now, it’s usually just not the main stream that’s played on radio stations.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Professor X wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Rap used to be real good ,But since about 1996 it has been on a down hill slide until it it is what is today…Yeah there some ok stuff out but nothing like this…
This coming from someone with so much to say about the use of the “n word”? You all are making me laugh. Maybe I should go rate some country music while we’re at it. The fact that I don’t listen to much of it at all shouldn’t matter, should it?
The bullshit is getting high in here.
been listening to rap since DOUGE E FRESH and SLICK RICK back in the 80’s…How long have you been listening to country ???[/quote]
I’ve been listening to country for about 12 years and have to say the new stuff is garbage compared to what it was back then.
I could make a blanket statement and say something like, “New country and rap is complete garbage compared to the old stuff,” but that wouldn’t be fair. I can say that the majority of country and rap they play on the radio is complete garbage.
But like Professor X said, that’s why I don’t listen to the radio - Radio sucks, period.
[quote]Roy wrote:
PX you say you don’t listen to the radio yet the rappers you listed were bandwaggon bitches? Jay-Z, ludacris(come on man), Diddy, Nas, all of them are media whores and sell-outs.
Your favorite MCs list sounds like another VH1 top-ten countdown list.
Underground rap is where it’s at.[/quote]
Diddy is absolutely a sell out, Ludacris I can see you saying that but if you actually listen to his album there are plenty of songs on there that aren’t “radio hits.”
Jay-Z puts out popular radio hits but for the most part his songs actually put across a message…
And to say Nas is a sell out is just crazy talk. What did he have, 2 singles from his last DOUBLE album? A vast majority of his songs are never played on the radio because that’s not the type of music he makes.
rap hasn’t gone anywhere except mainstream, which maybe your problem ? it’s an image thing for you and you don’t feel so edgey when people like my moms’re touching the sky driving down for a latte.
I wouldn’t consider any album the Beastie Boys put out to be garbage. They are both yesterday and today rap.
Most of the rap you here now is all commercial crap.
Here in Detroit, we still play the good stuff. Detroit rap is more raw, less pop.
Lots of old and new school Tupac, Nate Dogg is VERY popular here so is Too Short, DMX and Biggie and obviously Eminem.
Believe it or not, most people here hate Diddy, Ludacris and JayZ. Flashy, poppy rappers don’t get much play round here.
But still, to this very day, nobody gets more love and play than Pac, hands down.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Rap used to be real good ,But since about 1996 it has been on a down hill slide until it it is what is today…Yeah there some ok stuff out but nothing like this…
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Do you even listen to the words that are being said in rap music? Do you think they are lying about their up bringing, experiences and culture? Do you remember the stupid shit you say on other threads?
Why would you bring up rap music? To prove that you aren’t ignorant about other cultures?
The same thing rappers proclaim in their words is exactly what you claim to hate!
To claim you appreciate rap music in one breath, but disrespect the culture that it comes from in another is hypocritical.
You are a hypocrite.
[quote]swivel wrote:
rap hasn’t gone anywhere except mainstream, which maybe your problem ? it’s an image thing for you and you don’t feel so edgey when people like my moms’re touching the sky driving down for a latte. [/quote]
Uh, what?
[quote]swivel wrote:
rap hasn’t gone anywhere except mainstream, which maybe your problem ? it’s an image thing for you and you don’t feel so edgey when people like my moms’re touching the sky driving down for a latte. [/quote]
Today’s MAINSTREAM is nothing but IMMAGE …But most moms I know certainly aren’t bumping rap while driving down the road in their minivan…maybe OutKast’s Hey Know …But probably not…anything off.Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
[quote]kroby wrote:
I wouldn’t consider any album the Beastie Boys put out to be garbage. They are both yesterday and today rap.[/quote]
Only album I ever really liked by the Beastie Boys was License To Ill .i could pop that in ,and listen to every song on the “TAPE” . But that’s because I liked the beats ,and never really liked the way the rest of their albums sounded beat wise after that one .
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Most of the rap you here now is all commercial crap.
Here in Detroit, we still play the good stuff. Detroit rap is more raw, less pop.
Lots of old and new school Tupac, Nate Dogg is VERY popular here so is Too Short, DMX and Biggie and obviously Eminem.
Believe it or not, most people here hate Diddy, Ludacris and JayZ. Flashy, poppy rappers don’t get much play round here.
But still, to this very day, nobody gets more love and play than Pac, hands down. [/quote]
When was the last time Nate Dogg had a hit? Shit, 1992? DMX (while someone I have every cd of) hasn’t been doing too well lately either. Biggie and Tupac shouldn’t even be put into the same sentence as anyone else considering they were both considered the best at one time and both were murdered. Their stuff is classic now if for no other reason than who they were.
I’m from Texas. The local hip hop scene around there is like nothing else. You have artists who have never been considered “national stars” who get ridiculous play down there. I can understand that completely. What I don’t get are those who start hating “individuals” instead of actually listening to the music.
Yes, hip hop is a culture possibly more than it is just the music. But that type of “bandwagon hatred” is something I just don’t get. No one is going to tell me who to like or not like when it comes to music and I would never base my judgement of a song on whether some people consider that person “flashy”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No offense to old school rap at all, since much of it is playing in my car at all times, but Jay Z’s new cd is good. At least 3 tracks on Diddy’s are decent. Ludacris did a good job with his as well and Nas is still a poet. Those who act as if NO rap at all is decent today obviously don’t listen to the genre and are simply repeating what they’ve heard elsewhere.
If you don’t listen to the music, who gives a shit what you think about some rapper from 20 years ago?
What gets played on most radio stations is garbage. That is why I don’t listen to the radio and I doubt I am alone on that. If you are basing your judgement of an entire genre on what gets played on MTV, you are clueless on the subject.[/quote]
I’m in complete agreeance here with Prof X. “Candy Rap” as I call it is all I hear on the radio. I was saying to my gal the other day who was bumping to that Smack That b.s. song on the radio now, going “fuck, they don’t even rap anymore, they just fucking talk. They don’t say anything, they just have a beat and talk something about sex and somehow dupe a million people into buying their bullshit.”
There is good rap out there. It just ain’t on the radio, it ain’t on MTV, BET, or any mainstream channel.
The legends like NAS and Jay will always put out good stuff. Kayne is pretty solid too even though he’s mainstream. Luda is decent too.
If you want rap that has a message and hits hard I suggest you turn towards organizations like Guerrilla Funk.
Paris has been in the game since 1988. Public Enemy’s latest album - Rebirth of a Nation - was entirely penned and produced by Paris. PE took it as a one-off creative mission. It worked.
Upcomers like T-Kash and Uno the Prophet are what Guerrilla Funk is all about. And they pick up where all the good rap of the early 90’s trailed off.
http://www.guerrillafunk.com/hardtruthsoldiers/index.html
http://www.guerrillafunk.com/publicenemy/rebirthofanation/index.html
(listen to the free mp3 samples on above links and tell me rap isn’t still alive and kicking hard)
On the lighter angle you’ve got Talib Kweli. His recent single “Listen!!!” is again where rap is at if you can turn off the 50 Cent bullshit for half a moment. Mos Def hits it right too.
And go here:
Home of Michael Franti and Spearhead who’ve got to be one of the most unique and humanitarian artists/rappers out there. While he’s moved a bit from pure rap albums (like the Spearhead debut Home) to a more rockish sound, the message is still as real.
And shit if you’re still reminiscing about old school, studio-gangster style music…Spice 1 and MC Eiht are still kicking around making albums. Hell, they’ve even done a couple together. Their sound hasn’t changed in 15 years. Spice 1’s Dyin’ to Ball album that came out last year was actually pretty decent.
Go here and play the sample of “It’s a Shame”
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Today’s MAINSTREAM is nothing but IMMAGE …But most moms I know certainly aren’t bumping rap while driving down the road in their minivan…maybe OutKast’s Hey Know …But probably not…anything off.Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
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Hey Know?? Yeah, I can see you a big fan of rap.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Only album I ever really liked by the Beastie Boys was License To Ill .i could pop that in ,and listen to every song on the “TAPE” . But that’s because I liked the beats ,and never really liked the way the rest of their albums sounded beat wise after that one .
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wow, dude. You just made me feel young again.
“What’s the time? Time to get together now.”
Yeah, rap with it’s no message blah blah blah.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Rap used to be real good ,But since about 1996 it has been on a down hill slide until it it is what is today…Yeah there some ok stuff out but nothing like this…
Do you even listen to the words that are being said in rap music? Do you think they are lying about their up bringing, experiences and culture? Do you remember the stupid shit you say on other threads?
Why would you bring up rap music? To prove that you aren’t ignorant about other cultures?
The same thing rappers proclaim in their words is exactly what you claim to hate!
To claim you appreciate rap music in one breath, but disrespect the culture that it comes from in another is hypocritical.
You are a hypocrite.
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Yes Many of them are exaggerated to sell records to those who beleive the lyrics …mostly young urban whites who don’t listen to the music just the words ,and pretend to be from …DA HOOD just like the lyrics…And here’s a hint the majority of record sales is from urban white kids that want to be bad ass gang bangers like the exaggerated lyrics in the music.
And like I said before the black race hasn’t cornered the market on hard times ,And discrimination although every black person with a chip on their shoulder would like you to beleive so .
And because you seem to like to make more of my words than I said I’ll type it so you can’t put words in my mouth …
Not all black have a racism complex ,But the ones that do walk around with a chip on their shoulder ,and assume every time someone looks at them in the slightest way they deem funny …AUATOMATICALY they think racist everything has undertones of racism ,and a conspiracy .
But like I said that’s not all black people ,But everytime I point out this mindset you put words in my mouth ,and act as if I’m saying all blacks are this way…I think your a closet racist ,And from your tone of posts I would be willing to bet your black and fit the profile I just described .Or do you think a black person can’t be racist ?
Never have I seen a bigger collection of dumbasses who think they know what rap is.
God damn get a fuckin clue.