[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
When you’re ramping, you’re using your first exercises to WARM UP and start getting the blood into the muscles, not to start fatiguing your muscles and suck energy of your main working sets.
I see most guys here think that ramping is just making a set of 12, a set of 10, and 8, or just decreasing reps and adding weight while going to failure in every set as you advance. That doesn’t make sense, your preparing to give it all you got on 1-2 working sets.
As mentioned in my post above, I think this is an oversimplification. It’s very possible for these sets to also have actual training effect. [/quote] yeah, as a warmup they’ll optimize the performance of working sets.
[quote]Or if you think in your case they don’t, then why burn any more energy than needed in them?[/quote] they should be used for the purpose mentioned above. But I think it’s dumb for example to grab the olympic bar on the bench and do like 100 reps at the beginning; I’ve seen guys do this like a thousand times.
I suppose my wording was not clear in saying the warmup sets can themselves have training effect.
I did not mean only indirectly, in terms of improving any later sets.
Rather I meant that it’s possible for them, in terms of effect on improving strength in size, to themselves contribute. If that is one’s intent then how they are planned should reasonably be different than if one believes or intends for them to have no such effect, but rather for all the gains to come from the top set or sets.
Anyway, if I gather correctly it seems you agree that if one is not planning for the leading-up sets to themselves directly contribute to gains, then why burn the slightest bit more energy on them than needed.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I suppose my wording was not clear in saying the warmup sets can themselves have training effect.
I did not mean only indirectly, in terms of improving any later sets.
Rather I meant that it’s possible for them, in terms of effect on improving strength in size, to themselves contribute. If that is one’s intent then how they are planned should reasonably be different than if one believes or intends for them to have no such effect, but rather for all the gains to come from the top set or sets.
Anyway, if I gather correctly it seems you agree that if one is not planning for the leading-up sets to themselves directly contribute to gains, then why burn the slightest bit more energy on them than needed.
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All of my sets aid in gaining muscle mass. I am not just doing sets just to be doing them. There is no way in hell I am going to press 450lbs for for my chest without working my way up to that weight gradually. To do otherwise is just asking for injury. That doesn’t mean the previous set of 360 doesn’t aid in muscle growth.
I agree, some of these guys have oversimplified this concept while overcomplicating others.
Honestly, I can’t believe this needs this much discussion. Just get in the gym and lift. Common sense dictates you don’t start off with the heaviest weight you plan on using that night…unless you are very weak.
That doesn’t mean those previous sets don’t aid in muscle growth directly either.
Hi Ceph, just to hijack on a related topic. I already understand the above as you said… its been in a lot of threads. I have begun doing it but am curious how many excercises per body part for standard ramp split. just getting my bearings and trying to determine how much is too much, or more importantly… to little.
I do 3-4 exercises on just about all muscle groups and have since day one.[/quote]
Honestly, I can’t believe this needs this much discussion.
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I’m still getting pm’s all the time from people who need me to explain it in intricate detail
People on here are too used to being babied along all the time… With every tiny thing from tempo on the concentric to rest-periods etcetc being mentioned in a routine…
Whenever you give them some real-world program they’re like fish on dry land… “is the first of 4 ramping sets challenging?”… “how long should I rest between sets?”… “is there some exact rule for how I should ramp up? (weight-increment-wise)”
Honestly, I can’t believe this needs this much discussion.
I’m still getting pm’s all the time from people who need me to explain it in intricate detail
People on here are too used to being babied along all the time… With every tiny thing from tempo on the concentric to rest-periods etcetc being mentioned in a routine…
Whenever you give them some real-world program they’re like fish on dry land… “is the first of 4 ramping sets challenging?”… “how long should I rest between sets?”… “is there some exact rule for how I should ramp up? (weight-increment-wise)”
And on it goes.
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I’m hurt. You didn’t have to post ALL my questions!
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
People on here are too used to being babied along all the time… With every tiny thing from tempo on the concentric to rest-periods etcetc being mentioned in a routine…
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I just don’t get how people make this simple concept so fucking complicated.
Hi Ceph, just to hijack on a related topic. I already understand the above as you said… its been in a lot of threads. I have begun doing it but am curious how many excercises per body part for standard ramp split. just getting my bearings and trying to determine how much is too much, or more importantly… to little.
I do 3-4 exercises on just about all muscle groups and have since day one.[/quote]
Do you usually group hams/quads as one muscle group split 3-4 exercises between the two? Or do you treat quads and hams separately and do 3-4 exercises for quads and 3-4 for hams?
[quote]The Austrian Oak wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DJS wrote:
Hi Ceph, just to hijack on a related topic. I already understand the above as you said… its been in a lot of threads. I have begun doing it but am curious how many excercises per body part for standard ramp split. just getting my bearings and trying to determine how much is too much, or more importantly… to little.
I do 3-4 exercises on just about all muscle groups and have since day one.
Do you usually group hams/quads as one muscle group split 3-4 exercises between the two? Or do you treat quads and hams separately and do 3-4 exercises for quads and 3-4 for hams?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DJS wrote:
Hi Ceph, just to hijack on a related topic. I already understand the above as you said… its been in a lot of threads. I have begun doing it but am curious how many excercises per body part for standard ramp split. just getting my bearings and trying to determine how much is too much, or more importantly… to little.
I do 3-4 exercises on just about all muscle groups and have since day one.
Do you usually group hams/quads as one muscle group split 3-4 exercises between the two? Or do you treat quads and hams separately and do 3-4 exercises for quads and 3-4 for hams?
