WTF is going on in this thread?
Either I’m losing my touch at being controversial, or there is some next-level nonsense going on here.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Thought you said your church was 95% black? >>>[/quote]Give or take. Our local visible church has 1500 members. There are also white folks like me, Hispanics, Asians, an Arab here and there and a smattering of other specimens from the jelly bean jar.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< If you’re looking for diversity, well that’s the universal Church. Not only have we had people from every time period starting at Pentecost, but we’ve had people from every timezone (still do), and our skin tones range from soulless ginger pale white to African (my new Chaplain is from Nigeria). My church is VERY mixed. >>>[/quote]Absolutely. This describes both the visible AND the invisible church perfectly Christopher. Saved me some typing. Except the visible church was founded in the 12th of genesis, not acts chapter 2. That’s ok though. I’m happy to help out anytime. Maybe that would be a better way to proceed on the question of authority in the Catholic (big C) Q&A thread.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
WTF is going on in this thread?
Either I’m losing my touch at being controversial, or there is some next-level nonsense going on here. [/quote]
(1) You may say anything you wish to a white person because…well…they’re white.
(2) Everything you say to a black person has to be editted because everything you could ever say is laden with racism, so you have to minimize the racism.
(3) If you don’t subscribe to the 2 rules, you are secretly David Duke, visiting from strmfrnt.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Thought you said your church was 95% black? >>>[/quote]Give or take. Our local visible church has 1500 members. There are also white folks like me, Hispanics, Asians, an Arab here and there and a smattering of other specimens from the jelly bean jar.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< If you’re looking for diversity, well that’s the universal Church. Not only have we had people from every time period starting at Pentecost, but we’ve had people from every timezone (still do), and our skin tones range from soulless ginger pale white to African (my new Chaplain is from Nigeria). My church is VERY mixed. >>>[/quote]Absolutely. This describes both the visible AND the invisible church perfectly Christopher. Saved me some typing. Except the visible church was founded in the 12th of genesis, not acts chapter 2. That’s ok though. I’m happy to help out anytime. Maybe that would be a better way to proceed on the question of authority in the Catholic (big C) Q&A thread.
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Do you guys do the ‘snakes down the shirt’ stuff or drink poison, to show your faith? See now if you do THAT kind of entertaining stuff, I’d drive from suburban Cleveland to see that. That would surely be worth the lulz.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The religious mindset engenders racism because it breaks the chain of reason. Skin color is NOT a defining characteristic but is a secondary one. Religion allows the person to admit concepts into his head that are irrational, ie break the chain.
Only when we have evolved can a truly non-racist society emerge. When religion goes away, so will racism.
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I very much disagree with everything you just posted. Unless you make a distinction between faith and religion.
Jesus gave an open invitation to everyone in the world through his Church.[/quote]
Fixed.[/quote]
Either fix it with a direct quote from the Bible, or leave my words alone.
You are a junior clergyman, aren’t you? I can tell by your willingness to change someone else’s words to what you see fit.[/quote]
Junior clergyman? Lol. I’ve been in some crazy congregations before, but that is the first time I’ve heard that term. No, I’m not any kind of clergyman.
Matthew 28:18, the first Bishops were prime in the Great Commission, they are par excellence responsible for evangelism in their territory. Of course, in one’s baptism one is duty bound to make disciples of all nations and partake in the Great Commission. [/quote]
By junior clergyman, I didn’t mean any specific title. Usually the people who are most adamant about the church being the only way are the ones on the church payroll.
The Great Commission says nothing about building churches. It says to baptize and teach.
Didn’t mean to ignore you, Tirib. Just trying to think how to word things to explain how I see them.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t understand why you think it can only be one way, and not the other. We have always needed effective leaders to keep people straight. Our leadership since the 50’s has done everything they can to ease the natural consequences of making huge mistakes (under the guise of ‘compassion’).
Subject the people to those pitfalls once again, and they will either straighten up or starve.
I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that a theocracy is the proper way to run a government, but I’m pretty sure that we set our government up in a way that prevents it. For a reason.
I’m also not sure you’re keeping in mind all of the evil things committed by early settlers in the name of ‘the church’.
I agree with this, but at the same time it’s completely unrealistic.
The proof is in the Bible. Simplest statement of this is the parable of the wheat and the weeds. God planted His people here, Satan came right behind Him and planted his. Evil people are here and always will be until the harvest. There is no way around it.
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It can’t be immediate. Too many people have the will and capability to do better, and they have to be given a chance. >>>[/quote]And you think this will happen in fatherless homes? Where Dad is nowhere to be found and couldn’t care less if his children starved? To say nothing of their mother? [/quote]
That falls back on capability. You have to have a supportive family in order to do well in life.
That is wrong. Our system of laws today prevents a family from protecting itself. Look at how the NDAA made it a ‘terrorist act’ to stock up on essentials in case of emergency. Look at our gun laws. Look at all of the cases of families being defeated by evil, violent criminals who should have been put to death long ago for previous convictions.
Read back through Kings 1+2 and see how God blessed Israel when their king made Godly laws, and how he punished them when the king let them go astray. God’s system of laws favors good, wise people. Our system favors the criminal and the unwise.
Libertarianism definitely works.
We had true liberty because the natural price of unwise decisions was worse than the law could possibly enforce.
We had freedom of religion. Not everyone was Christian. The Lord’s favor wasn’t won because we all went to church.
[quote][quote]JayPierce wrote:<<< Don’t get me wrong, I understand your point. But your argument doesn’t include any roadmap or plan other than a mass voluntary return to Biblical Morality. That’s not gonna happen. YOU are fooling YOURself.[/quote]Except for that IS the only path which is why I said it’s over which is NOT fooling myself. WHAT IF, as I’m saying, biblical morality actually WAS the bedrock of this nations practice of self government? Biblical morality gone? Bedrock gone? Nation gone. Simple. Don’t look now. There it is. All around you. Only God can save this decaying nation which might mean He will. He could ya know. He loves to do stuff where He is the only explanation. I’ve seen plenty. Would be a trivial yawn for a God who calls light and matter into existence from nothing by fiat command. Please listen to this http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/index1.html The very fist word in sentence is the link. It’s my own server. 13 and a half minutes. I’d be interested in your response. This Egyptian immigrant really REALLY gets it.
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Ok, and I say that Biblical Wisdom was the bedrock this country was founded on. Wisdom gone? Bedrock gone? Nation gone. There it is.
I haven’t listened to that link yet, but I will.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Thought you said your church was 95% black? >>>[/quote]Give or take. Our local visible church has 1500 members. There are also white folks like me, Hispanics, Asians, an Arab here and there and a smattering of other specimens from the jelly bean jar.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< If you’re looking for diversity, well that’s the universal Church. Not only have we had people from every time period starting at Pentecost, but we’ve had people from every timezone (still do), and our skin tones range from soulless ginger pale white to African (my new Chaplain is from Nigeria). My church is VERY mixed. >>>[/quote]Absolutely. This describes both the visible AND the invisible church perfectly Christopher. Saved me some typing. Except the visible church was founded in the 12th of genesis, not acts chapter 2. That’s ok though. I’m happy to help out anytime. Maybe that would be a better way to proceed on the question of authority in the Catholic (big C) Q&A thread.
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Please provide evidence. I would love to see your private interpretation of scripture, Your Holiness…Pope Tirib I.
Ok, listening to it. Thank you very much for posting that.
Listening to an Egyptian with a Southern accent is odd. lol.
He specifically says “the principles of all genuine liberty and of wise laws and administrations are to be drawn from the Bible and sustained by it’s authority”. He’s quoting Webster, but he nailed it on the head.
May the Lord bless Mr. Yousef, and bless us with a million more like him. He has the spirit of a true Christian and a true American.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The religious mindset engenders racism because it breaks the chain of reason. Skin color is NOT a defining characteristic but is a secondary one. Religion allows the person to admit concepts into his head that are irrational, ie break the chain.
Only when we have evolved can a truly non-racist society emerge. When religion goes away, so will racism.
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I very much disagree with everything you just posted. Unless you make a distinction between faith and religion.
Jesus gave an open invitation to everyone in the world through his Church.[/quote]
Fixed.[/quote]
Either fix it with a direct quote from the Bible, or leave my words alone.
You are a junior clergyman, aren’t you? I can tell by your willingness to change someone else’s words to what you see fit.[/quote]
Junior clergyman? Lol. I’ve been in some crazy congregations before, but that is the first time I’ve heard that term. No, I’m not any kind of clergyman.
Matthew 28:18, the first Bishops were prime in the Great Commission, they are par excellence responsible for evangelism in their territory. Of course, in one’s baptism one is duty bound to make disciples of all nations and partake in the Great Commission. [/quote]
By junior clergyman, I didn’t mean any specific title. Usually the people who are most adamant about the church being the only way are the ones on the church payroll.[/quote]
No, it’s because that’s what Jesus taught the Apostles.
Building Churches? There is only one Church and it was built by Jesus upon the Apostles.
Further, baptism is how one is initiated into the Church, after all it is how God espoused Israel, by first bathing his bride…which is water…which Jesus does to us as his Bride…awkward.
One true church, absolutely so Christopher. Every truly elected and redeemed born again believer, from every nation, kindred, tribe and tongue IS that church
JayPierce? NO theocracy. Sorry, that’s all I have time for right now.
Headhunter. Nope.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
By junior clergyman, I didn’t mean any specific title. Usually the people who are most adamant about the church being the only way are the ones on the church payroll.[/quote]
No, it’s because that’s what Jesus taught the Apostles. [/quote]
Again, as I requested before, quote it.
Building Churches? There is only one Church and it was built by Jesus upon the Apostles.
Further, baptism is how one is initiated into the Church, after all it is how God espoused Israel, by first bathing his bride…which is water…which Jesus does to us as his Bride…awkward.[/quote]
You have your Scripture twisted. John baptized with water. Apostles baptize with water. Jesus baptizes with fire and the Holy Spirit - Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33.
I have yet to see a Pastor, Deacon, Bishop, or any other clergyman who needed a meal or a place to stay. When I do, I will provide. Until then, I give to the poor.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
One true church, absolutely so Christopher. Every truly elected and redeemed born again believer, from every nation, kindred, tribe and tongue IS that church[/quote]
Kind of, every one of the elect will be in the Catholic Church eventually. That doesn’t mean they are currently in the Church.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Again, as I requested before, quote it.[/quote]
Quote what Jesus taught the Apostles?
Actually Jesus said we had to be born of water and spirit. Jesus never baptized anyone, though he did tell his Apostles to baptism in his name.
I don’t have my scripture twisted. I believe those scriptures 100%, I don’t agree with your fallible interpretation of those scriptures. You’re making a private interpretation and you don’t have the ability to make private interpretations. However, I’m not giving my private interpretation, I’m giving the one given by to the Apostles by Jesus. That is the infallible interpretation and only the Apostles can interpret the Scriptures since they are the human authors of the Scriptures.
That’s because others provide their paycheck through tithing, you don’t think those people just print money into their bill fold? 
Quote where Jesus Christ told the apostles that “the church is the channel to salvation” <–your words.
Either that is written in the words of Christ, or it is your personal interpretation.
I have not given my personal interpretation, I have simply quoted The Word. The Apostles were not, and are not, infallible. Jesus Christ is infallible. I follow Christ, not the Apostles.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Quote where Jesus Christ told the apostles that “the church is the channel to salvation” <–your words.
Either that is written in the words of Christ, or it is your personal interpretation.
I have not given my personal interpretation, I have simply quoted The Word. The Apostles were not, and are not, infallible. Jesus Christ is infallible. I follow Christ, not the Apostles.[/quote]
Jesus: “Hey guys, your life belongs to you. My Father doesn’t want to own you. He wants you to be happy, live, love, invent…enjoy life. Why do you think he gave you life?”
Church Fathers: “The kings and emporers that give us money AREN’T paying us to tell their slaves about personal happiness. Tell the masses that their reward is in the next life and that true happiness comes from being a selfless serf and being meek and taking orders is the Good. Tell the sheep to beg forgiveness for their desire to be happy. Make happiness a SIN!!!”
Not quite, HH. We still have to follow the 11 commandments (yes, there are 11).
But yes, I do believe that the people have been used as a source of income and labor at the hands (under the boot?) of the church.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Quote where Jesus Christ told the apostles that “the church is the channel to salvation” <–your words.
Either that is written in the words of Christ, or it is your personal interpretation.
I have not given my personal interpretation, I have simply quoted The Word. The Apostles were not, and are not, infallible. Jesus Christ is infallible. I follow Christ, not the Apostles.[/quote]
Jesus: “Hey guys, your life belongs to you. My Father doesn’t want to own you. He wants you to be happy, live, love, invent…enjoy life. Why do you think he gave you life?”
Church Fathers: “The kings and emporers that give us money AREN’T paying us to tell their slaves about personal happiness. Tell the masses that their reward is in the next life and that true happiness comes from being a selfless serf and being meek and taking orders is the Good. Tell the sheep to beg forgiveness for their desire to be happy. Make happiness a SIN!!!”
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Started to read Marx HH?, your post got me thinking of the famous quote: “religion is opium for the masses”
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Quote where Jesus Christ told the apostles that “the church is the channel to salvation” <–your words.
Either that is written in the words of Christ, or it is your personal interpretation.
I have not given my personal interpretation, I have simply quoted The Word. The Apostles were not, and are not, infallible. Jesus Christ is infallible. I follow Christ, not the Apostles.[/quote]
Jesus: “Hey guys, your life belongs to you. My Father doesn’t want to own you. He wants you to be happy, live, love, invent…enjoy life. Why do you think he gave you life?”
Church Fathers: “The kings and emporers that give us money AREN’T paying us to tell their slaves about personal happiness. Tell the masses that their reward is in the next life and that true happiness comes from being a selfless serf and being meek and taking orders is the Good. Tell the sheep to beg forgiveness for their desire to be happy. Make happiness a SIN!!!”
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Started to read Marx HH?, your post got me thinking of the famous quote: “religion is opium for the masses”
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Nietzsche would be more appropriate in here. “God is dead.” ← this is true, as a motivating force in the lives of men. The church fathers ‘killed’ God by using God to gain power.
I’ve read all 4 volumes of ‘Das Kapital’ btw plus sundry other works of his. Lenin, Trotsky, Marcuse…but also Murray Rothbard, Ayn Rand, Peikoff.
I call front row at Headhunter’s baptism.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I call front row at Headhunter’s baptism.[/quote]
If God spoke to me again and said to do this, I would. That is the only circumstance in which this will ever happen.
I only accept a concept if I (1) subjectively experience the content, such as God speaking to me or (2) a concept is falsifiable and is rooted in perceptions.
Trib, seriously…I want you to imagine two cue balls. If I put these behind my back and then show them to you one at a time, you would not be able to distinguish between the two. Why?
Human beings form concepts by looking for differences and similarities between entities. So…how do you possess the concept of God? There’s only one God, right? How do knwo God? Has God spoken directly to you?