Most likely a plant by the Democrats to attempt to discredit the Tea Party protest in D.C. The Democrats and Obama in particular have over played the race card scam and at this point it is backfiring on them. The message got out way to quick to the media outlets and the DNC minions are doing their best to try and ignite the story. Unfortunately for them it’s falling flat.
It’s not like the Dems can argue the bills features since they are so detrimental to the economy and disastrous for health care ,in the US ,in general.[/quote]
In today’s info age, arguing that something lacks credibility because it “got out way too quick” is ridiculous. Shit hits the web the second it happens, from TMZ to the New York Times. The DNC should run with this a little bit, given that the Tea Party is trying to assert itself as an alternative opposition party to them. I would expect the same from the RNC when similar things happen. Fox went absolutely apeshit over the whole Rev. Wright thing and the Black Panthers chanting “honky” and “cracker” during the '08 election hit the airwaves and the Internet with equal speed.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Racism is the last card they can play before they run out of ways to demonize this group. Best to ignore it.[/quote]
You’re not even trying to explain this? Wow.[/quote]
What is there to explain?
Some racist comments from… whoever?
Holy smokes you’re right!!! I’m a leftist now too and Obama is the marxist messiah!!!
How simple can somebody be. I’ve held my beliefs for over 20 years. If the Tea Party is racist I denounce it. If some of the people there were I denounce them. Anybody who’s identity depends on some political group of any kind is a pathetic lemming. I’ve assumed that enough of the Tea Party principles were close enough to mine to call them allies. If not… oh well.
However, as somebody already said, I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that these were liberal plants. That’s how they work. I don’t know that though and in any case anything I believe politically predates the Tea Party by a couple hundred years.
See, collectivists like you live and die by their group so you can’t imagine what individual thought looks like. You’re forgiven.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
don’t watch those guys a whole lot, but I do watch them occassionally and I’ve never heard them directly address this issue. [/quote]
You watch them rarely, but pass judgment on them.
Now I see why Cali is in the mess its in.
You know, the Founding Fathers handed us a country and said, “Here, you, the People, get to run the show!!”. That DOES require thought, informed opinion, and so on. Quit texting and playing mindless video games and do your job!!![/quote]
You don’t live in Cali but you pass judgment on its citizens. Jesus Christ, the double standard you set for yourself is so fucking typical. Why do you have this tendency to latch onto these short little pieces of my posts rather than address the totality of what I’m saying? It’s pure Sophistry. If you don’t know what that is, look it up and come back when you have a significant counterpoint to an argument I put forth.
You’re not even trying to explain this? Wow.[/quote]
At Tea Party protests, racists show up and make noise. They know the cameras are rolling, and they create a news event. Then, those who want to dismiss the point of the Tea Party movement engage in ad hominem instead of - by application of common sense - recognizing the lure of bad apples in any decentralized political reactionary movement (reactionary not being a bad term here).
If you don’t agree, then protests in opposition to the global free trade regime - which can be based on principled disagreement - are instantly discredited because of the presence of Lyndon LaRouche moonbats there joining in. Do you believe this?
Left-wingers want to wave a hand and dismiss the phenomenon instead of the work of understanding it and providing a counterargument (look no further than our capitalism-subsidized socialist, Ryan P. McCarter). I don’t consider myself a Tea Partier per se, but its critics cannot simply casually dismiss one of the largest grassroots democratic movements we’ve seen in recent history with tired sarcasm and intellectual laziness.
The Tea Party has an obligation to turn its back on these fringe elements, and if it doesn’t, it is a stillborn movement. But the existence of fringe elements - who are little more than political gadflies that tee up “controversy!” in front of a rolling camera - doesn’t make it a "racist movement, even if you type the thought in CAPITAL LETTERS.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Racism is the last card they can play before they run out of ways to demonize this group. Best to ignore it.[/quote]
Contrary to popular PWI wisdom…racism in America never went anywhere and is alive and well.
Demonizing a group as a whole is just as bad as screaming “rascism” at every slight…but don’t think for one instance that it doesn’t exist.
Mufasa[/quote]
I don’t say it doesn’t exist, I am simply saying that everyone on every side of the isle has racist in the group so why even bother trying to say hey look their is a racist in that group. They are grasping at straws now because they know once this bill passes the tea party is going to see its membership go through the roof.
I don’t really care about racism anymore because to me it seems like its usually the pot calling the kettle black.
I say this as an observer, but it is interesting to note that Tea Partiers insist on shelving social issues and putting fiscal issues and limited government as the core of their message to build a “big tent” that attracts socially liberal types who are aghast at the federal debt. etc.
Seems a bit counterintuitive to think that a Tea Party willing to accommodate - and even attract - social liberals and take the focus off of social issues have a racist agenda.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…Neither party is racism free…
Agree.
Mufasa[/quote]
Agreed. Yesterday my wife had this Millinai8re Matchmaker show on. Some snooty lady with a British accent took her date on a Toxic tour of LA. It was ridiculous. she was commenting on how horrible it was that people had to live near the refinery.
I guarantee she wouldn’t want most of these people moving to her neighborhood.
There are a whole host of liberals that count on various minority votes to attain and keep their power. They don’t necessarily love these people, they love their support. They promise that their problems are do tot he nebulous can’t pin down factor called racism that the other guys are doing to you. They never preach personal responsibility to their constituents, because if they ever started waking up they would realize that that these leaders and politicians are not needed.
What has Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson ever done to advance the cause of their constituents compared to the cause of Sharpton and Jackson? How much better are the inner cities now 20-30 years later? and do pe0ople think that racism seriously has as much impact now as 1955?
And how did my black brother in law ever get a Harvard PhD or an under Secretary position in a cabinet during a Republican administration? How is this guy making 500K to 1000K a year with all of this racism.
Racism doesn’t hold anyone back now as much as the individual holds himself back.
I’ve read quite a bit of material at major tea party sites and receive tea party nation’s daily newsletter. I have never seen one syllable that would lead me to believe that racism is any part of their accepted platform. Some yahoos at a giant public rally revolving around a rabidly contested bill prove nothing. That said, I’m betting you can pretty much count on there being some individual specimens at every one of these things and you can further count on the mainstream media doing their best to maximize their visibility. In case anybody’s wondering, yes, FOX reported these remarks.
And what is to prevent a liberal bunch from showing up and pretending to be racists? this is called an agent provacateur. you can have actual racists showing up, people who want to appear racist to attract negative attention etc.
Most of the conservatives I know are equal opportunity with little sympathy for whining. But picking your own self up as these men and I have done is the path to success, not racist. Everyone wants to whine about their problems, but that whining doesn’t fix anything.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Radical conservatives are racist? Color me shocked. Next you’ll tell me they are homophobic.
I’m not sure how you people think this doesn’t represent the tea baggers? It completely represents them as a whole. The only difference is their public speakers all stop one step short of calling their enemies “traitors, niggers, or faggots” etc. as that would make them look bad.
No, they aren’t all racist, but a LOT are. Either make a real attempt at distancing yourselves from these people or watch as the tea bagging movement flounders.
You know, just once I’d like to see a Tea Party protest broken up by tear gas and rubber bullets.[/quote]
How the hell do you know anything about what’s going on over here? TV?[/quote]
x1000000. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, only people actually living in America should participate in this conversation. You don’t see us decrying the brain drain that’s been going on over in New Zealand for decades.[/quote]
Unless you can show me 50.1% of the people calling black people racial slurs, this is just his own personal prejudices influencing his opinion.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Alex, I am ashamed of you for bringing such a weak argument to the forefront of PWI. Weak arguments are usually propelled by weak people.
Your screen name character, were he alive today, would thump your skinny little ass for sullying his name.[/quote]
True and hilarious since Hamilton loved big government. Problem is that the man pushed big government to expand liberty, not constrict it, whereas libertarian hero TJ would have allowed liberty constricting universal healthcare, so long as it was advanced by the states.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
don’t watch those guys a whole lot, but I do watch them occassionally and I’ve never heard them directly address this issue. [/quote]
You watch them rarely, but pass judgment on them.
Now I see why Cali is in the mess its in.
You know, the Founding Fathers handed us a country and said, “Here, you, the People, get to run the show!!”. That DOES require thought, informed opinion, and so on. Quit texting and playing mindless video games and do your job!!![/quote]
You don’t live in Cali but you pass judgment on its citizens. Jesus Christ, the double standard you set for yourself is so fucking typical. Why do you have this tendency to latch onto these short little pieces of my posts rather than address the totality of what I’m saying? It’s pure Sophistry. If you don’t know what that is, look it up and come back when you have a significant counterpoint to an argument I put forth.[/quote]
I live in Cali, and I will vouch for what he says. We live in the first state that will declare bankruptcy, and you know it. If anything, let people learn from the mistakes from the bowel movement of a state legislature that we have, so they don’t end up in the toilet.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Alex, I am ashamed of you for bringing such a weak argument to the forefront of PWI. Weak arguments are usually propelled by weak people.
Your screen name character, were he alive today, would thump your skinny little ass for sullying his name.[/quote]
True and hilarious since Hamilton loved big government. Problem is that the man pushed big government to expand liberty, not constrict it, whereas libertarian hero TJ would have allowed liberty constricting universal healthcare, so long as it was advanced by the states.
mike[/quote]
Hamilton was an idiot. President Jefferson would not allow federally mandated health care and would states to do it so long as it did not include mandates. He would not go for any government to force anything against the citizens will. There is not a single poll that shows people are for the bill, not fucking one.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Radical conservatives are racist? Color me shocked. Next you’ll tell me they are homophobic.
I’m not sure how you people think this doesn’t represent the tea baggers? It completely represents them as a whole. The only difference is their public speakers all stop one step short of calling their enemies “traitors, niggers, or faggots” etc. as that would make them look bad.
No, they aren’t all racist, but a LOT are. Either make a real attempt at distancing yourselves from these people or watch as the tea bagging movement flounders.
You know, just once I’d like to see a Tea Party protest broken up by tear gas and rubber bullets.[/quote]
How the hell do you know anything about what’s going on over here? TV?[/quote]
x1000000. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, only people actually living in America should participate in this conversation. You don’t see us decrying the brain drain that’s been going on over in New Zealand for decades.[/quote]
Unless you can show me 50.1% of the people calling black people racial slurs, this is just his own personal prejudices influencing his opinion.
Like NZ is even relevant in this discussion.
[/quote]
Oh, such stupidity. You don’t even understand the role your country plays on an international level.
If the racists are such a minority in the tea baggers, it shouldn’t be hard to tell them to fuck off. But you don’t, because you know just how much you need numbers.