Racial Rantings and Baseball

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Black in America continue to be oppressed because of the history of racial inequality in America.

While that makes no sense at all it is what your text book said so you must regurgitate it.

You’re funny junior.

If it makes no sense, why cant Lakisha get a high paying job at IBM?

I don’t know maybe she’s not qualified.

One thing for sure, they are not denying a black person the position because white people are getting extra points on the entrance exam.

Now that’s PROVEN discrimination.[/quote]

Sure, maybe she isnt.

But that doesnt explain your origninal point: That GIVING her the name Lakisha kept her out of that high paying job.

Which means that if she is qualified or not, she wont get the job. And that was determined the day her parents gave her a black sounding name.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Cap,

I appreciate that link you posted. I didn’t read every interview, but I scanned several and read the Gates interview.

Prof. Gates echoes what I’ve been saying about success beginning in the mind, not with a hand out.

"Gates is Professor of the Humanities and Chair of the Afro-American Studies department, Harvard University, and Director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for Afro-American Research.

CROSS: Do you think you have guilt about it?

GATES: No, I don’t feel guilty about my success. I feel I was raised to be successful. I accepted the ideology of the black community, which was to study hard, work hard, and pray for a miracle. And the miracle for me was my mother, first of all, who created a tremendous sense of self-confidence and positive self-esteem within my brother and me.

BINGO!

And that’s what is needed more with in the black community. A good mother/father to raise children to think successfully. There is no government program that can do that. It’s about personal responsibility. When someone takes personal responsibility success is then around the corner.

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The ideology of the black community, which was to study hard, work hard, and pray for a miracle.

Thats a good way of putting it.

But why should one race have to “pray for a miracle”? Doesn’t having to “pray for a miracle” indicate that you’re at a disadvantage as opposed to someone else who doesn’t have to pray for a miracle?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

You know you’ve used that “black sounding name” excuse before and I never pushed you on it. But in reality how much of that really happens. I’d really have to see some serious studies on this before I bought into it. I have personally never witnessed this happening and I have never heard of it happening. That isn’t to say it’s never happened, but I wonder exactly how many times and under what circumstances.

Hard to believe that in 2007 someone in a responsible position would judge someone by their name.

In fact it sounds silly to me.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/29/national/main575685.shtml

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Black in America continue to be oppressed because of the history of racial inequality in America.

While that makes no sense at all it is what your text book said so you must regurgitate it.

You’re funny junior.

If it makes no sense, why cant Lakisha get a high paying job at IBM?

I don’t know maybe she’s not qualified.

One thing for sure, they are not denying a black person the position because white people are getting extra points on the entrance exam.

Now that’s PROVEN discrimination.

Sure, maybe she isnt.

But that doesnt explain your origninal point: That GIVING her the name Lakisha kept her out of that high paying job.

Which means that if she is qualified or not, she wont get the job. And that was determined the day her parents gave her a black sounding name.

This is a side argument and maybe should not be brought up, but I think it’s good for the overview.

Many years ago when the Irish came to this country they dropped the “Mc” in their names to “fit in.”

The Italians did it to dropping the many vowels which dangled at the end of Italian sounding names.

Now you know where I’m going with this…but I have a point.

I wonder why those who name their child Lakesha or Moraboondo or Obama…(Oops…I guess that last one didn’t hurt him any huh?) don’t want to try to fit in like the many immigrants who came before them?

Now…I’m with you, I think you should be able to call your child “Sandyfarts” if you want to. But as I have said many times, with every action there is a consequence.

Just one read.
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You’re right. People having to worry about an Irish sounding name or an Italian sounding name indicates anti-Irish/anti-Italian bias.

The same that people worrying, today, about having a black sounding name indicates an anti-black bias.

But lets start getting down to brass tacks:

What should be done about the racism in the US?

my ideas:

  1. Start teaching, at as young an age as possible, that race is a biological myth. That “blackness” and “whiteness” are actual social constructs.

  2. Children of alumni should not get prefered acceptance into college. This, IMO, is an example of ongoing, underhanded racism.

I remember learning in school that, for a while, there was a law that basically stated that if your grandfather could vote, you could vote. If your grandfather couldnt vote, you couldnt vote. The result? Since most black peoples grandfathers couldnt vote, they couldnt. Only the reasoning was no longer “You cant vote because you’re black!” it was “You cant vote because your grandfather couldnt vote, its not racial!”

If you apply the same logic to giving prefered treatment to the children of alumni of formerly all white schools, you again have backhanded racism, only now its not “He gets the edge because he’s white” its “He gets the edge because his father went here, its not racial!”

Do you agree at all with these ideas?

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The “black names have a harder time getting a job” argument stems from a recent National Bureau of Economic Research study performed by economics professors from U. of Chicago and MIT.

The study pretty clearly shows what most people with common sense already know: Black Americans are assumed to have negative characteristics (laziness, lack of intelligence, criminal inclination) based solely on race, and that directly affects the ability to achieve economic success. That is the essence of racism, and it is prevalent across almost all industries in the labor market.

The idea that racism no longer exists can be, and has been, proven false through verifiable, repeatable experimentation, such as the study above. As such, 80% of the arguments in this thread are based on a faulty premise and thus irrelevant.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Wow, you lost me on that one. race is a fact, not a myth. How we treat each other is something else entirely.
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I don’t really have a desire to jump back into this conversation, but race is not a fact. Race really has no genetic basis. There’s no scientific validity in classifying humans into different “races.”

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

  1. Start teaching, at as young an age as possible, that race is a biological myth. That “blackness” and “whiteness” are actual social constructs.

I actually thought about this later and laughed my ass off. What sort of planet did you drop out of?

The planet of “LIBERALALTO”

No…seriously…you are wacky.
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Yet you can “see the point” of the poster above me when he agreed that race is a myth.

I’m beginning to think you just like arguing with me.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Wow, you lost me on that one. race is a fact, not a myth. How we treat each other is something else entirely.

I don’t really have a desire to jump back into this conversation, but race is not a fact. Race really has no genetic basis. There’s no scientific validity in classifying humans into different "races."

I see your point. [/quote]

See what point, Mick?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

You are my perfect liberal foil.

When we’re done with this thread let’s discuss global warming. I bet you’re in an uproar over that huh?

You can rail on me about driving an SUV…it’ll be fun.

Ha
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This isn’t directed to me, but since you brought it up. And since you already called me a liberal, though I’m not sure if I completely deserve the honor. Plus this thread is no longer about baseball anyway.

I, too, drive an SUV. I get under 15 mpg. But I also carpool.

I’m not entirely sure if global warming exists, or even if I care. My position is this: We don’t need a fancy name for a environmental phenomenon that may or may not just be cyclical. We already know cars pollute the air. That should be enough reason to cut back usage and look for cleaner alternatives. I don’t need scare tactics. Global warming is the new boogie man.

Am I still a liberal?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Wow, you lost me on that one. race is a fact, not a myth. How we treat each other is something else entirely.

I don’t really have a desire to jump back into this conversation, but race is not a fact. Race really has no genetic basis. There’s no scientific validity in classifying humans into different "races."

I see your point.

See what point, Mick?

The point regarding someone being able to automatically attend a university simply because a relative had gone there.

And…to respond to your other comment, yes, I do like arguing with you.

You are my perfect liberal foil.

When we’re done with this thread let’s discuss global warming. I bet you’re in an uproar over that huh?

You can rail on me about driving an SUV…it’ll be fun.

Ha
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Except he didnt say anything about someone being able to automatically attend a university.

Please, try to make some sense. Um. Jerkwad!