I like boobies.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Instead of the initial post, let’s read this article instead:
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I like this statement:
“No fact in human history is more pervasive than our tendency to prejudge, fear, despise, persecute, and fight each other based on even the shallowest observable differences. It’s simply reckless to feed that fire.”
So true its scary! We fight over the dumbest things imaginable — religion, ethnicity, on and on.
Great link, BB!
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
That’s some offensive shit the OP has put up.Hard to believe he’s a student of anything.The only ‘grasping’ he’s doing is at straws.
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What is so racist about it? I believe the OP is making an observation and is not asserting that these qualities are unique to any race.
Now, a lot of what the OP has observed is due to culture. I can’t say that all of it is. Chinese children are from a very early age pushed in school and take a lot of extra-curricular classes, beginning well before elementary school even begins. It’s very common with middle-class chinese families. From my perspective there are pros and cons to this. However, that’s a whole different topic.
Couldn’t it be that African-Americans excel in sports and music because for a number of generations those were activities they were not excluded from? Now, I don’t see Africans excelling in sports. Aside from long distance running, they seem to pretty much suck, in fact. I am not saying that there might not be some biological advantage that blacks have (I don’t know) but when you compare African Americans with Africans, it would seem that a cultural tradition explains the fact that the latter excels at sports while the other doesn’t for the most part.
I am sure that we can find adventurers among many races, but I think something happened around the time of the Rennaisance in Europe that explains why European/American civilization has been so dynamic…that is the birth of the modern individual, where the individual takes on central importance over social codes. Now this notion of the individual was born in Europe but it contaminates 
just about everybody who gets exposed to it. It’s not a racial thing, but a cultural thing.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
woooooooow
get out of your little PC cocoons. black people are definately naturally more athletic, they also have a naturally lower bodyfat %. asian people have a carb tolerance so they can eat carbs and not put on fat as most other races do. hair, skin color, facial features, theyre all determined by race. are you naive enough to think thats where it ends? im sorry, i meant dumb enough. there are definately racial differences amongst us in terms of characteristics, all im interested in is how they came about.
its truely sad that you cant discuss anything racial nowadays because everyone is so afraid something may overstep
im not saying derrogatory racial stereotypes like all jews are greedy or black people are lazy or all arabs are terrorists. grow up.[/quote]
People here are definitely not worried about being PC. There are a ton of threads relating to race where actual discussions took place.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
That’s some offensive shit the OP has put up.Hard to believe he’s a student of anything.The only ‘grasping’ he’s doing is at straws.
What is so racist about it? I believe the OP is making an observation and is not asserting that these qualities are unique to any race.
Now, a lot of what the OP has observed is due to culture. I can’t say that all of it is. Chinese children are from a very early age pushed in school and take a lot of extra-curricular classes, beginning well before elementary school even begins. It’s very common with middle-class chinese families. From my perspective there are pros and cons to this. However, that’s a whole different topic.
Couldn’t it be that African-Americans excel in sports and music because for a number of generations those were activities they were not excluded from? Now, I don’t see Africans excelling in sports. Aside from long distance running, they seem to pretty much suck, in fact. I am not saying that there might not be some biological advantage that blacks have (I don’t know) but when you compare African Americans with Africans, it would seem that a cultural tradition explains the fact that the latter excels at sports while the other doesn’t for the most part.
I am sure that we can find adventurers among many races, but I think something happened around the time of the Rennaisance in Europe that explains why European/American civilization has been so dynamic…that is the birth of the modern individual, where the individual takes on central importance over social codes. Now this notion of the individual was born in Europe but it contaminates just about everybody who gets exposed to it. It’s not a racial thing, but a cultural thing.
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Just a few quick thoughts on your post,entheogens.
How one can fail to see the OP’s post as anything but racist,I’m not really sure.
“i think black people seem to be more athletically gifted than other races. i think this speaks for itself as most sports are dominated by black athletes (aside from winter sports). i think this has to do with the fact that black people are the original people and still maintain more of the genes needed for original man to surive so they are more athletic because hunting was more a nesecisity and thats just the way we were when we first evolved.”
That quote speaks for itself.
As to the sport success issue,that is a subject that is worthy of its own thread,as the reasons are varied,but have in my opinion more to do with opportunity,facilities and the hunger to succeed rather than any perceived ‘racial’ advantages.
But I take huge exception to your statement regarding the perceived lack of success of African sportspeople (in your view).It shows a very blinkered view of the world in general.
I’ll try flesh my thoughts out a bit more later.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
That’s some offensive shit the OP has put up.Hard to believe he’s a student of anything.The only ‘grasping’ he’s doing is at straws.
What is so racist about it? I believe the OP is making an observation and is not asserting that these qualities are unique to any race.
Now, a lot of what the OP has observed is due to culture. I can’t say that all of it is. Chinese children are from a very early age pushed in school and take a lot of extra-curricular classes, beginning well before elementary school even begins. It’s very common with middle-class chinese families. From my perspective there are pros and cons to this. However, that’s a whole different topic.
Couldn’t it be that African-Americans excel in sports and music because for a number of generations those were activities they were not excluded from? Now, I don’t see Africans excelling in sports. Aside from long distance running, they seem to pretty much suck, in fact. I am not saying that there might not be some biological advantage that blacks have (I don’t know) but when you compare African Americans with Africans, it would seem that a cultural tradition explains the fact that the latter excels at sports while the other doesn’t for the most part.
I am sure that we can find adventurers among many races, but I think something happened around the time of the Rennaisance in Europe that explains why European/American civilization has been so dynamic…that is the birth of the modern individual, where the individual takes on central importance over social codes. Now this notion of the individual was born in Europe but it contaminates just about everybody who gets exposed to it. It’s not a racial thing, but a cultural thing.
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I’m reading now about the influence of language on the development of a culture. For ex, Black English appears to have drawbacks wrt tenses, that somewhat hinders children who use it in their conceptual development. The misuse of tenses makes the users more prone to functioning at the perceptual (rather than conceptual) level of awareness. Such also leads to delusional thinking and scapegoatting, like with the ‘Jews gave Blacks AIDs’ nonsense.
Black people have names like “Carl”, whereas white people have names like “Lenny”.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I like boobies.[/quote]
I second this notion.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
‘Jews gave Blacks AIDs’
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No, Bush gave blacks AIDS… geez Louise, don’t you pay attention on the intertubes?
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
No, Bush gave blacks AIDS… geez Louise, don’t you pay attention on the intertubes?[/quote]
You mean they got it from G.W. Bush or they got it from some skank who didn’t mow the lawn?
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
‘Jews gave Blacks AIDs’
No, Bush gave blacks AIDS… geez Louise, don’t you pay attention on the intertubes?[/quote]
You mean they got it from G.W. Bush or they got it from some skank who didn’t mow the lawn?
I’ve got couple of questions.
If there are no group differences in things like athletic performance and other traits, why don’t different groups of people look exactly the same? Why can I distinguish between a white guy, a northeast asian guy, or a black guy by looking at them?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’ve got couple of questions.
If there are no group differences in things like athletic performance and other traits, why don’t different groups of people look exactly the same? Why can I distinguish between a white guy, a northeast asian guy, or a black guy by looking at them? [/quote]
Because of this wonderful thing called adaptation. We’ve adapted over the centuries to live in whatever environment our ancestors lived in. We haven’t caught up to migration just yet.
But yes, there are group differences, they just aren’t as major as some people would like to believe. Most of the “major” differences are cultural.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Just a few quick thoughts on your post,entheogens.
How one can fail to see the OP’s post as anything but racist,I’m not really sure.
“i think black people seem to be more athletically gifted than other races. i think this speaks for itself as most sports are dominated by black athletes (aside from winter sports). i think this has to do with the fact that black people are the original people and still maintain more of the genes needed for original man to surive so they are more athletic because hunting was more a nesecisity and thats just the way we were when we first evolved.”
That quote speaks for itself.
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I don’t think it is NECESSARILY racist. Look, African-Americans have a huge presence in American sports. For once, the right-wingers here can’t claim it’s because of affirmative action or because bleeding-heart liberals just let them do it. So, we have to look to something either cultural or biological. This, of course, does not overlook the huge amount of effort these individuals put into their sport. I don’t think it is WRONG to suggest there might be some genetic predisposition. The OPs suggestion does not offer a very sophisticated or scientific argument for his claim, but I don’t think it’s racist.
You are PROBABLY right. I can understand the reasons why people might be afraid to explore biological reasons. I mean we have a history of eugenics in this country that is disgusting. However, that does not mean that there might not be SOME role of genetics.
You may be right. Maybe I don’t know enough about African sportsmen, but, at least from my “blinkered” perspective, I hear about lots of great African-American sportsment but rarely hear of any Africans. Now that might be my provincialism, but does Africa have names like Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on? My point was that this points to the probability that the athletic prowess of African-Americans is probably cultural.
Please do. I look forward to reading them.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’m reading now about the influence of language on the development of a culture. For ex, Black English appears to have drawbacks wrt tenses, that somewhat hinders children who use it in their conceptual development. The misuse of tenses makes the users more prone to functioning at the perceptual (rather than conceptual) level of awareness. Such also leads to delusional thinking and scapegoatting, like with the ‘Jews gave Blacks AIDs’ nonsense.
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Was your reading material written by a bona fide linguist, i.e. not someone employed by Fox Network who read part of the preface to a book on psycholinguistics?
Although I have little doubt that language structures how we see the world, this does not sound right to me. First of all, I don’t know what official ebonics looks like, but the African American people whom I have known who used colloquialisms used tenses. The only difference is that there was a tendancy, for example to use the third-person verb for all persons, as in “I gots a home”. That might deviate from Standard English but it’s not an issue of not using tenses at all, so I don’t understand how that would lead to “delusional thinking”. It’s like saying all my faults are to blamed on the fact that I use the word “aint”.
I read a book where two groups fought constantly making bigger and better weapons…because one group buttered their bread butter side up and the other group buttered their bread butter side down.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Black people have names like “Carl”, whereas white people have names like “Lenny”.[/quote]
James Watt invented the steam engine.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
woooooooow
get out of your little PC cocoons. black people are definately naturally more athletic, they also have a naturally lower bodyfat %. asian people have a carb tolerance so they can eat carbs and not put on fat as most other races do. hair, skin color, facial features, theyre all determined by race. are you naive enough to think thats where it ends? im sorry, i meant dumb enough. there are definately racial differences amongst us in terms of characteristics, all im interested in is how they came about.
its truely sad that you cant discuss anything racial nowadays because everyone is so afraid something may overstep
im not saying derrogatory racial stereotypes like all jews are greedy or black people are lazy or all arabs are terrorists. grow up.[/quote]
The term “unconscious incompetence” comes to mind…
so saying black people are good at sports when majority of top athletes are black is racist? wow, sorry for making an observation and then questioning how it got that way.
at least entheogens has brought up another view to explain possibilites instead of just saying “ooo thats so racist i cant even say anything”
i still stand by my statement that if you take a look at the obvious, meaning the differences among races visible to the naked eye (hair, skin, avg height, etc) you wouldnt be crazy to think, well hmmm if there ARE already genetic differences amongst races that we can see maybe theres others that we can not. i think when you look at the observation that black people dominate most american sports, look at their natural PROVEN lower bodyfat %, the fact that they are descendants of the original people then dismiss it as completely racist to think that perhaps they carry better genes for phsyical/atheltic performance is completely rediculous.
for fucks sake its pretty much common knowledge that if you have two athletic parents you will probaly have good genes for athleticism, so if you take two genetically athletic gifted people, have them reproduce then have that offspring reproduce form parents who were also genetically gifted in the same respect would it not make sense that after generations of this happening the descendants of those people - even if their parents werent athletic had a better chance at recieving that gene because it has been present in the family tree so many more times? i think this is all a very practical way of thinking, how you all can not grasp this is sad. pretty much all im saying is “hey do you think inheriting genes is responisble for so-and-so trait”.
I guess you aren’t familiar with the concept of recessive genes then?