Good that you said in your own experience because in my experience this is not always the case, and in my experience I have seen black people shunned because it was assumed that they were trying to separate themsleves from their culture when in actuality they are simply an individual who put their individual aspriations and goals ahead of all else. This was taken as a slight, when it was the furthest from the case…
This song I feel apropos
white people are offended if they have offered honorary ‘white’ status because you don’t ‘act’ black (whatever that means) and you don’t accept it
like you didn’t go to the Oscars to get your goldman
[quote]alexus wrote:
blacks will undermine another blacks identity if that person is educating and improving themselves soley to separate themselves from black culture and not taking pride in themselves and their heritage.
Sometimes.
I think that is the key. There is so much diversity within the population of (insert racial group or biological sex group here) that one can’t make very many statements that are true of ALL or even MOST.
There is a confounding issue…
That of socio-economic class.
Race quite aside think about how people from an underprivileged socio-economic class sometimes feel about a person who makes it out of the poverty trap. Sometimes there is admiration and respect… But other times there is a sense of resentment like the person has sold out in some way. Especially if the person goes on to look upon their upbringing / the people still there with shame / condemnation.
Then think about the privileged person (of whatever race) who identifies with the underprivileged. On weekends or something. I think a lot of underprivileged people are rightly pretty dubious and pissed off about such a thing…[/quote]
yes, i do need to not write in the form of sweeping generalizations, i apologize.
i think were on the same page in terms of what you wrote in the middle paragraph.
in terms of priveleged identifying with the underpriveleged, if a connection can be made with race or heritage i think it is usually met with a more positive response, but if that is not there its probably judged on more of an individual basis based on that persons intentions and how genuine they are in their efforts.
[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
white people are offended if they have offered honorary ‘white’ status because you don’t ‘act’ black (whatever that means) and you don’t accept it
like you didn’t go to the Oscars to get your goldman
[/quote]
haha, but why would i want to accept ‘white’ status as if it was an upgrade? and at the same time when it is not who i am? same for eminem, i think that even though people consider him ‘black’ i think he does and should not consider himself no longer white, for example he refuses to use the n-word in any of his songs or daily life.
LOL at black identity. Talk about prolonging stereotypes.
Educated, well spoken, respectably accomplished blacks aren’t black according to blacks?
Jesus H.
Whitey is not the equality problem.
If you choose to be an undermotivated piece of shit to fit a group identity, your failure at life is on you, regardless of race.
Otherwise, haters gonna hate! Fuck 'em.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Educated, well spoken, respectably accomplished blacks aren’t black according to blacks?
[/quote]
Same bullshit exist on the Reservation where I grew up, except you weren’t “Apache.” Whatever.
Basically, you move away (like, to town) and get a job, and you are “white.”
I think the worm turned on this and the most recent generation doesn’t buy this B.S.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Educated, well spoken, respectably accomplished blacks aren’t black according to blacks?
[/quote]
Same bullshit exist on the Reservation where I grew up, except you weren’t “Apache.” Whatever.
Basically, you move away (like, to town) and get a job, and you are “white.”
I think the worm turned on this and the most recent generation doesn’t buy this B.S.[/quote]
Hopefully. Although I’m not sure I’d leave my birthright casino money.
[quote]alexus wrote:
True, Matty.
‘Urban Maaori’ is the name given to people of Maaori racial ancestry who live in a well to do area of north Auckland. Sending their kids to private schools… Going on to study Land Law and making a fortune in getting back land that was taken from Maaori (the government is offering reparation for what was taken under the Treaty of Waitangi). Going on to subdivide that land into sections for (mostly) rich white people.
‘Urban Maaori’ often aren’t fluent in the Maaori language and have often never set foot on a Marae. They don’t culturally identify as Maaori - they think their genetic ancestry is enough. But (arguably) they haven’t been the victim of racism etc that others of the race have been and thus they are a sham insofar as they think their racial ancestry entitles them to certain privileges (scholarships and grants etc).
TIs very controversial.
They are most loathed by those who are culturally and genetically Maaori. Sometimes kinda pitied, too. The emptiness that comes from a type-A lifestyle, sometimes… What happens when you trade in a social / community / environment view of the world and your place in it for a ‘me me me me mine’ individualist view.
Cultures that aren’t evolving are stagnant / dying.
Some say that ‘Urban Maaori’ are modern Maaori.
Others say that ‘Urban Maaori’ are assimilated Maaori who don’t deserve anything in the name of Maaori at all…[/quote]
There are plenty of similarities that can be drawn with Maaori relations and race and socioeconomic relations in the states…excellent post.
[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:
[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
white people are offended if they have offered honorary ‘white’ status because you don’t ‘act’ black (whatever that means) and you don’t accept it
like you didn’t go to the Oscars to get your goldman
[/quote]
haha, but why would i want to accept ‘white’ status as if it was an upgrade? and at the same time when it is not who i am? same for eminem, i think that even though people consider him ‘black’ i think he does and should not consider himself no longer white, for example he refuses to use the n-word in any of his songs or daily life.
[/quote]
I’d like to know who considers Eminem to be black…
yeah me too, where did Eminem say he is black…did he?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
LOL at black identity. Talk about prolonging stereotypes.
Educated, well spoken, respectably accomplished blacks aren’t black according to blacks?
Jesus H.
Whitey is not the equality problem.
If you choose to be an undermotivated piece of shit to fit a group identity, your failure at life is on you, regardless of race.
Otherwise, haters gonna hate! Fuck 'em.[/quote]
i never said acclompished blacks arent considered blacks by their own people, it is when someone separates themselves from their heritage in hopes of success or once they become successful that they are looked down upon. which is totally rational and easy to understand.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
yeah me too, where did Eminem say he is black…did he?[/quote]
SERIOUSLY GUYS! I NEVER SAID EMINEM SAID HE WAS BLACK!
alexus mentioned how people percieve him to be black and i simply reiterated this statement as an example where even though people view you as a race based on your assimilation into that culture your heritage doesnt change!
nobody attacekd alexus when he made this statement, stop looking at my fucking posts for opportunities to shoot me down, i read yours fully without bias and try to piece together what youre saying and then i respond.
all im trying to say is people try to tell me im not black or half white because im light skinned, IF I WAS HALF WHITE I WOULDNT CARE IT WOULD BE WHO I AM, but im predominately black with native american, it is infuriating when someone says this to me and i say im not half white and they think im lying WHY WOULD I LIE ABOUT THAT AND WHY WOULD YOU CARE OR FEEL ITS YOUR JOB TO POLICE MY RACIAL HERITAGE!
that is the issue, and the reason i have focused on whites giving negative responses is because from MY EXPERIENCE ive never had a black person question my race, only whites, WHICH I SAID IN THE ORIGINAL POST! so the question was really why does it bother white people so much when a light skinned black person identifies with being black when that is how he has been viewed and treated his whole life.
kris humphries would be a good example of someone that has probably been treated as if he was white becasue he doesnt look black and maybe black in heritage but probably just considers himself of mixed background because he is equally split between races.
[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
yeah me too, where did Eminem say he is black…did he?[/quote]
SERIOUSLY GUYS! I NEVER SAID EMINEM SAID HE WAS BLACK!
alexus mentioned how people percieve him to be black and i simply reiterated this statement as an example where even though people view you as a race based on your assimilation into that culture your heritage doesnt change!
nobody attacekd alexus when he made this statement, stop looking at my fucking posts for opportunities to shoot me down, i read yours fully without bias and try to piece together what youre saying and then i respond.
[/quote]
You didn’t quote her, my little sugar plum.
Not to mention that I just like busting your balls, today 
Sombody’s sensitive today…
Why do any of you(outside of 460 and Ct.Rockula) care about Black issues?
[quote]supa power wrote:
It’s a problem when you see this^ kind of bullshit. Luckily there’s none of that crap in Ireland YET. Now I’m off before I get sick.[/quote]
This is the problem with America.
Damn Yankees fans.
[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:
[quote]KrohDaddi wrote:
white people are offended if they have offered honorary ‘white’ status because you don’t ‘act’ black (whatever that means) and you don’t accept it
like you didn’t go to the Oscars to get your goldman
[/quote]
haha, but why would i want to accept ‘white’ status as if it was an upgrade? and at the same time when it is not who i am? same for eminem, i think that even though people consider him ‘black’ i think he does and should not consider himself no longer white, for example he refuses to use the n-word in any of his songs or daily life.
[/quote]
i think some white dudes identify with ‘Black experience’ as not-being a hypocrite
‘it just is what it is’ - and distance themselves from lying douchebaggery
for instance are neither proud nor ashamed of having had sex with someone they didn’t really love as though all white upper-crust people only had sex with people they loved (which is implied in their attitude to ‘acting Black’)
they don’t follow it themselves but French it all up nicely when they sleep with someone for money ‘for the children’ or some other horseshit like that
but its different when you’re black (somehow) because you don’t put all that sophisticated lying on it
its wonderful advice to tell someone that they should only have sex with someone who you love but it just makes a fool out of you if the other person can’t really love you because, to them, you are an amusing performing monkey who never had the opportunity to flunk out of college
or any of the other advantages that upper-class white people enjoy and who have never had the special privilege of counting slices of bread and knowing that a woman would have sex with you but never in a million years would she marry you because you are a handsome farm animal to her
and that is something that poor white trash know about, too
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Why do any of you(outside of 460 and Ct.Rockula) care about Black issues?[/quote]
it has never been an isssue, i always thought of myself as black, and didnt really think much more about it and knew people would treat me differently because of it as i grew up and just acceptd this as how things would be, but…
when people constantly confront you and either undermine your heritage or try to tell you youre not who you are it will develop a certain level of frustration and confusion in your mind.
imgaine having a store owner follow you three blocks outside of a store to question where you got your hat from assuming you had stolen it and then later have a girl at a party ask what your nationality is and you say mostly black and her friend says ‘ur not black!’ it would piss you off.
donald glover says it best: ‘if you saw obama breaking into a car, you wouldnt scream that MIXED guy is stealing my car!’
Im not busting your balls, I read your post and took it as if he said he wasnt white, I know nothing about him other than he raps and he is white, so I asked you a question…thats all.
I’d like to know who considers Eminem to be black…[/quote]
[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Why do any of you(outside of 460 and Ct.Rockula) care about Black issues?[/quote]
it has never been an isssue, i always thought of myself as black, and didnt really think much more about it and knew people would treat me differently because of it as i grew up and just acceptd this as how things would be, but…
when people constantly confront you and either undermine your heritage or try to tell you youre not who you are it will develop a certain level of frustration and confusion in your mind.
imgaine having a store owner follow you three blocks outside of a store to question where you got your hat from assuming you had stolen it and then later have a girl at a party ask what your nationality is and you say mostly black and her friend says ‘ur not black!’ it would piss you off.
donald glover says it best: ‘if you saw obama breaking into a car, you wouldnt scream that MIXED guy is stealing my car!’[/quote]
If you’re black, I understand why this would matter to you. I just wanted to know if this is another “Race thread” troll job.
Thanks for the reply.