[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
They don’t want an islamic state they just want their own little sovereign piece of dirt? You mean like what we and the rest of the world has been trying to do for them since the Carter administration, but they piss on every attempt to help them?
Total BS!
There were never a honest peace proposal from the Israel/US side. Except of course the ill-fated Yitzak Rabin plan.
Have you EVER looked at what Israel was proposing? It’s ludicrous. Scattered pieces of land with no airspace sovereignty, no sovereignty over the roads connecting them and no solution for the refugees problem; that’s not a proposal, that’s a joke! On a side note, have you ever heard of UN resolution 242?
Go get yourself a copy of PBS’s “Israel and Palestine” documentary to better grasp the details involved in each step.
If Israel was interested in peace, they’d give back the Golan height to Syria and agree to weeks old proposal by the Arab league. Did you look at it? Why, in your opinion did Olmert reject it?
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BTW, Let me take you to my favorite bar here in NY - lots of Iraq vets there. I’d love to see them stomp your pathetic ass when you tell them they “aren’t heroes”.
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I’m in the Army and I don’t consider them heroes simply because they were deployed. The unit I’m in now, I reported to back in January. They had gotten back from Iraq about 30 days prior. Some may be heroes for other reasons, but just because they’ve been deployed to a combat zone doesn’t make them a hero.
LOL! Are you 15 or something?
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Fuck off you worthless piece of shit. [/quote]
Barak? You mean the same guy who in 2002 was quoted in The New York Review of Books as saying:
“They (the Palestinians, and especially Arafat) are the products of a culture in which to tell a lie creates no dissonance. They don’t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judeo-Christian culture. Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. The deputy director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation told me that there are societies in which lie detector tests don’t work, societies in which lies do not create cognitive dissonance (on which the tests are based).”
But I’ll give you that much: The last Camp David was the ONLY proposal where I consider both sides to be responsible for the failure of talks. But, no use beating a dead horse…
Nobody answered my question yet. What do you think about the Arab league’s latest proposals?
It’s backed by the entire international community. Only Israel and the US stand against it. Did you even look at it? If so, don’t you find it reasonable? I’ll reiterate that the US/israeli stand alone in their refusal of the proposal.
Barak? You mean the same guy who in 2002 was quoted in The New York Review of Books as saying:
“They (the Palestinians, and especially Arafat) are the products of a culture in which to tell a lie creates no dissonance. They don’t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judeo-Christian culture. Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. The deputy director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation told me that there are societies in which lie detector tests don’t work, societies in which lies do not create cognitive dissonance (on which the tests are based).”
But I’ll give you that much: The last Camp David was the ONLY proposal where I consider both sides to be responsible for the failure of talks. But, no use beating a dead horse…
Nobody answered my question yet. What do you think about the Arab league’s latest proposals?
It’s backed by the entire international community. Only Israel and the US stand against it. Did you even look at it? If so, don’t you find it reasonable? I’ll reiterate that the US/israeli stand alone in their refusal of the proposal. [/quote]
Barak proposed a divided Jerusalem, and as good as the entire west bank and Gaza to the palestinians… AND a right of passage between those areas… Against the recommandation from the arab league AND other forces in the arab world, Arafat turned down the proposal of unknown reasons…
Blaming Israel for giving a perfectly good proposal… well, you show your true colors a little bit more each day lixy…
Barak? You mean the same guy who in 2002 was quoted in The New York Review of Books as saying:
“They (the Palestinians, and especially Arafat) are the products of a culture in which to tell a lie creates no dissonance. They don’t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judeo-Christian culture. Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. The deputy director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation told me that there are societies in which lie detector tests don’t work, societies in which lies do not create cognitive dissonance (on which the tests are based).”
But I’ll give you that much: The last Camp David was the ONLY proposal where I consider both sides to be responsible for the failure of talks. But, no use beating a dead horse…
Nobody answered my question yet. What do you think about the Arab league’s latest proposals?
It’s backed by the entire international community. Only Israel and the US stand against it. Did you even look at it? If so, don’t you find it reasonable? I’ll reiterate that the US/israeli stand alone in their refusal of the proposal. [/quote]
Actually they did not refuse the proposal, the first requirement is that the Palestinians renounce the violence and recognize Israel. The do that and the Arab league’s proposal is right on track.
Don’t you think that a cease fire on both sides is mandatory before any aggreement is settled upon? Or is Israel so evil that it’s okay for hamas to continually launch rockets and suicide attackes against israelis and still gat all kinds of help establishing a government.
It’s real simple as Hamas and the Palestinian government has to do is aggree to a sustainable permanant cease fire or truce and recognize Israel’s right to exist. They do that and peace is possible.
If they aggree to a cease fire and Israel or other zionist forces attack the formally occupied territories. Then I will aggree with your stance on the matter.
you can bring up the bad things the Israelis have done and I could bring up what he palestinains have done all day long. That shit doesn’t matter because the list is long and distinguished on both sides.
The violence must stop first, but you see, Hamas doesn’t stand for that. They call for the destruction of Israel.
As long as that continues, so will the blood shed.
