Quit Work to Pursue MMA

i would strongly suggest to get a few amateur fights before trying to compete for a living

There is no real on-off transition from amateur to pro athlete. You cannot “decide” to become a pro athlete. Try to become a lottery winner by deciding to win the lottery. It doesnt really work that way

→ You are here. You have not fought yet and you struggle to even prepare properly

You start out paying for everything out of your own pocket, training, travel expenses, insurance, equipment, entry fees etc., Most people who compete never really get past this stage for various reasons, they always have to pay to fight and train. You work full-time

Next thing maybe an event starts to pay for itself, you break even on a weekend, hotel food travel, entry fee etc is paid for by the money you make competing. Very few people get here. Still mostly working full time to make money

If you are really successful an event pays for itself and you even have some money left. You sport starts to pay for other things, gym fees, equipment etc. Working part time or even full time. If this is happening on a regular basis, you may begin to start dreaming about becoming a professional fighter

If you are an amateur champion, fighter may pay for most of your expenses. Not only the sport, but your rent, electricity, maybe your education etc. Most people work at least part time. Now you may seriously considering becoming professional. You can start talking to promoters etc (more likely they will come start talking to you)

->Now you can become a professional. You still have to think about a back-up plan. What do you do after your professional career. What do you do when you get injured etc?

If your job sucks try to find another one, try to get some form of education which will open more job opportunities, get a degree of some sort or a certification.

EDIT:some spelling corrections

Thanks for the replies guys, I will update my situation on here tonight.

Man lots of good advice here. First and foremost don’t quit your job to be a fighter. Get a different job that allows you to train more often but don’t quit a source of income to fight. If you have not took a couple of fights then you have no freaking idea what all is required to be prepared for it. It seems you have some idea because you know you need more time to do it.

In my school I like to see guys train, seriously train for about a year if not more before taking a real fight in front of paying customers. There is so much to learn and figuring out what weight class you are going to compete in etc. There is so many things that go into preparing for a fight. You aren’t going to be fighting some crack addict or some fucker from the street who has no skills or fitness. You are going to fight someone who also trains and works out, maybe more than you, who also wants to win. This changes things considerably than training casually or for some level of self defense.

My biggest recommendation is to adjust your life so you can train more and get skills. If you cant make the classes then see if one of the instructors can do privates for you at a different time frame. Train for a while and then take a fight, someone who is about your skill level and see how bad you get your ass kicked in there. Even if you win you will have a whole new outlook on fighting and what is required to do it.
I work a full time job and a part time job right now. I know how hard it is and how much it cuts into your life. Im not saying you can’t do it. You probably can, but I would never quit my job to be a fighter because I know I am not that good and I know I don’t want to fight people for a living. Take it one step at a time. You are young enough to still be a fighter.

Lets say though that you did do this. First off you cannot get paid as a amateur fighter, that is the law. That being said you can get sponsorships or some places will pay you under the table if you are good. Most guys I know in that situation have at least 8-10 ammy fights under their belts and have a winning record. To give you a good idea of how much money you are going to make, a good sponsorship would be somewhere in the 1000 dollar range for a year. Most don’t pay per fight. Most people are wanting you to display their product and will give you some amount of it free or at a discount.

If you go pro and the venue pays you I would say the average pay for a pro fighter around here is probably 400-600 dollars. It will depend on how good you are though and what you bring to the table for the venue. Some guys who have been in Strikeforce etc will probably make a few thousand for a fight, again, depending. So think about that and think about how much money you need to make and want to make before you commit to anything

Why not just train consistently and learn how to fight before even considering it as a career?

And I don’t want to kill your dreams but you are living in fantasy land. You are 20 with pretty much zero skill or experience. You have mma fighters who, by that age, had a decade of wrestling behind them. You have mma fighters who were competing in the BJJ world championships, as black belts at that age. You have children in Thailand already beating the crap out of each other in MT. Anthony Pettis started his mma career at your age but he started martial arts training at the age of 5. He also had a job as a fire fighter.

At this stage in mma’s evolution I would say you missed your chance. It will be years before you develop the skill level needed to compete, assuming you even have the potential. If all you want to do is test yourself in a fight you don’t need to train full time for that. Train, and also have a life, and then fight in some amateur event. Or, you could just walk into a legit mma gym and say you want to fight. After you wake up ask yourself if you really want to do it especially when you realize the beating was from someone who only gave 10%.

OK guys, I am at home right now and have half an hour here so I thought I would let you know how I have decided to take things from here.

First off I just want to say thank you, the advice in here was sterling.

I have spoken to my boss and she has let me stay with my current hours and I will also be looking to get around three hours more. in the morning. I do agency style work which means I will probably be able to find the extra hours fairly easily.

I have set some immediate goals.

  1. Get the extra hours I need to afford a car and start saving for my own place.
  2. Get driving and get a car and insurance. This will mean I can make the classes I need to make.
  3. Get into a local vocational college night class and do my GCSE equivalent.
  4. Get a better job to suit my needs and afford me with the money and time to pursue my passion (MMA)

In the meantime I am going to go to all the classes I can make and practice the shit out of my theory test. I still have my dream and I still think I can compete at some point, even if it is just as an amatuer. As long as I get to do it at any level I will be happy.

This thread has really made me think about my actual future outside of training and I have to say it has opened my eyes a bit to what I should be doing. I loved the post where someone stated I could have my cake and eat it and have been looking at the opportunities as far as education goes.

I am going to contact the local connexions office and try and get onto the next gcse night school course. After that I could go further or solely seek employment etc.

Whatever I do training will be a big part of my life because it is the thing I most care about. I just want to say thanks and this thread had the rather pleasant effect of pulling me out of a slump I have been in for quite some time.

I am going to start a log but it will probably be more about my journey from here as a whole opposed to a training log.

One last time thanks a lot and any more advice from here on out will still be appreciated.

OK guys, I am at home right now and have half an hour here so I thought I would let you know how I have decided to take things from here.

First off I just want to say thank you, the advice in here was sterling.

I have spoken to my boss and she has let me stay with my current hours and I will also be looking to get around three hours more. in the morning. I do agency style work which means I will probably be able to find the extra hours fairly easily.

I have set some immediate goals.

  1. Get the extra hours I need to afford a car and start saving for my own place.
  2. Get driving and get a car and insurance. This will mean I can make the classes I need to make.
  3. Get into a local vocational college night class and do my GCSE equivalent.
  4. Get a better job to suit my needs and afford me with the money and time to pursue my passion (MMA)

In the meantime I am going to go to all the classes I can make and practice the shit out of my theory test. I still have my dream and I still think I can compete at some point, even if it is just as an amatuer. As long as I get to do it at any level I will be happy.

This thread has really made me think about my actual future outside of training and I have to say it has opened my eyes a bit to what I should be doing. I loved the post where someone stated I could have my cake and eat it and have been looking at the opportunities as far as education goes.

I am going to contact the local connexions office and try and get onto the next gcse night school course. After that I could go further or solely seek employment etc.

Whatever I do training will be a big part of my life because it is the thing I most care about. I just want to say thanks and this thread had the rather pleasant effect of pulling me out of a slump I have been in for quite some time.

I am going to start a log but it will probably be more about my journey from here as a whole opposed to a training log.

One last time thanks a lot and any more advice from here on out will still be appreciated.

[quote]AsaAkira13 wrote:

One last time thanks a lot and any more advice from here on out will still be appreciated.[/quote]

If you mean all of this: thank YOU for following the advice given. Very few people on these fora do that. What you’ve just outlined seems like a very solid life plan for the near future and if you see it through, I for one will be very proud of you.

To: idaho

Thanks for writing this. I was trying to figure out how to structure this message, realizing it was an old and maybe “dead” thread, and then I got to your post.

To OP:

If you are still around/lurking:

If MMA/martial arts is the thing that makes you feel passion/gives you enough motivation to start un-fucking your position than I would not quit it. I would however recognize that making the big changes you are planning takes serious commitment and CONSISTANCY. Martial arts training is a study in both of those.

idaho has really given you the “Big Things” list here. Certainly doing big things well is important. I am going to make a few points about “little things”. Individually these don’t make the whole game. Fucking these up don’t mean all your work is for not, but they make it harder.

1.) You really need a GED/grad equivelent. Getting this is a “big” category, but the studying is a day in/day out grind. Just like training. Find the time to do both. This is important.

2.) Quitting a job is different than quitting a career. The term “gainful employment” may not really apply to whatever work you can find until you achieve number 1. Finding some way to put enough money in your pocket to fund training and GED classes/testing is going to be necessary. You don’t have to like this work. That is why they have to pay you to do it. You will literally be selling your time for enough money to fund your two main drives, training and education. Get the job. Be dependable. Get paid. Day to day this is a little thing, but it is important.

3.) If you have a girlfriend, it probably wouldn’t be a great idea to get her pregnant right now. If you don’t have a girlfriend, knocking up “not your girlfriend” would is not advised.

4.) You need to avoid any futur legal issues. Even for things that “aren’t a big deal”. IF you are 20, now would be a very bad time to catch an underage drinking charge/summery offense. Someone without your history might be able to handle a simple possession charge. You are in a less robust situation.

Points:

The idea of continued improvement is a foundation of martial training. This is one of the “goods” that can bleed over into other aspects of your life. Your sucesses and failures will be a combination of many factors, but of the the things you can control both big and seemingly small things will matter. You seem resolved to make good choices from this point forward. Do so. If you need help, ask. There is a wealth of collective knowledge on this board both about martial pursuits and life in general. I am fairly certain we could get you sorted out academically at a high school level as well and as idaho wrote “education first”.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]idaho wrote:
“I ended up being expelled, no qualifications, criminal record all the dumb shit dumb kids with no sort of guidance can get caught up in.”

Ok,
It appears you are looking for guidance now, and, I hope you really are paying attention to everyone who has replied. I have found the Combat Forum to be free of the BS that infects other forums here, and, the members advise people from their experience with no hyperbole. I have found over the years a little quote, that helps me reach difficult decisions:

Face the Facts, Then act…very simple ,but, hard to do.

Your priorities should be, based on your statement above:

  1. Education: do you have a high school diploma or GED? (Assuming you are in the United States) if not, that is your FIRST priority. without one , you are limiting yourself in everything in life. Once that is acheived, you MUST find some way to obtain the next educational level, whether a “trade” school, community college, or a 4 year university.

  2. Your criminal record: Assuming you are in the States, unless you have a CONVICTION for a major felony, then you should obtain a lawyer to help expund your record, either through appeals in the state court system, a hearing with the state corrections board, appeals to the Governors office, etc…but, none of that means crap without showing a steady growth of personal responsibility, and, unforunately, your desire to fight willl not even get you a hearing. Once something gets in the criminal justice system, its like trying to cure cancer to get it removed.

  3. Since we are facing the facts, you chances of becoming a self sufficient professional fighter are about a good as me winning the Powerball lottery, about 1 in a billion. At 20 years old and no experience, training, or fights, the odds are probably even higher.

  4. I dont know anything about you , other than what you wrote, but, if it was me…I would do everything in my power to get my education, work as many hours as it took, work any crappy job to pay for it, then see if I had time to train. Do you want to be 30 years old, with no way to earn an income but some fast food restaurant?

  5. Get you GED, try to work on your record, I dont know its a juvenile or adult record, but, that is going to follow you the rest of your life.

  6. If you had a high school diploma or GED, I would advise you try and find a military recuriter who is sympathetic to your cause, ( or short of his monthly goal) and join up. You could pursue your education , have your personal and financial means met, and, gain valuable training for the civilian world. Get good enough at fighting, maybe you could be accepted into various MMA/Boxing programs that the services offer.

  7. Education first, everything else, second. Face the facts…best of luck.

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Im pretty much on the same boat beside the whole bad crowd thing. I have a self-defense background mixed with silat, and kenpo. I Work full-time and am finishing up 2 personal training certifications. Since your going balls to the walls for MMA, have you ever considered becoming a personal trainer?

Im working toward becoming a Strength and Conditioning Coach, and since im training for MMA i feel it just ties in perfect. at the gym I train at, they will allow me to promote my services there. As for work your pretty lucky in that you live with your Mom and just have to pay “a little” rent. My advice to you is to find a better job, or 2, or a FULL time job.

I was literally on the same boat working till 5 (I have a car though) class starts at 6.30 and since all the fkn Chicago traffic it takes almost an hour and a half to get there. So i talked to my boss got my hours changed a bit (I know thats prob not possible for you) and i know wake up everyday by 5.30am. i usually sleep 6-7 hours, and if you want to perform your best you need to EAT!

I hope this helps a bit, i would say dont listen to anyone telling you about the “odds” fuck that. its not a math competition years from now if you dont pursue this your going to really hate life. and come back on forums and tell another yougster “hey man its not realistic, the odds are against you”. Fuck that dood, buck the fuck up, get a better job, pursue some kind of education/certifications, Sacrafice whatever you need to, to train. but remember you need money man!

if you earned more money you could pay for PRIVATE instruction like i am. its such a huge change in training to get private instruction. dont QUIT anything, WORK HARDER, SACRIFICE, AND stop talking about your past. move foward and fuck anyone that says the “odds are against you” thats just fkn sad.

You need some Mental toughness, start jogging, do some heavy squats, Push the prowler untill you get the prowler flu. start going through pain.

If you really want to train, then you would be training.