Odyssey Studies Changing Weather And Climate On Mars
December 08, 2003
Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA’s Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.
Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars’ surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics.
The amount of frozen water near the surface in some relatively warm low-latitude regions on both sides of Mars’ equator appears too great to be in equilibrium with the atmosphere under current climatic conditions, said Dr. William Feldman of Los Alamos National Laboratory, N.M. He is the lead scientist for an Odyssey instrument that assesses water content indirectly through measurements of neutron emissions.
“One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,” Feldman said. “In some low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated. In others, that process is slower and hasn’t reached an equilibrium yet. Those areas are like the patches of snow you sometimes see persisting in protected spots long after the last snowfall of the winter.”
[quote]tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?[/quote]
Okay, you guys are willing to swallow cherry picking of inteligence for war, as if that isn’t an exaggeration or lie, but you won’t allow somebody to suggest the worst possible scenario with respect to global warming.
Retards.
The fact that Al admits he may have exaggerated is quite striking. Not because it makes him a liar. It actually let’s you know that he is fairly honest…
Try to separate the issues from one another. You don’t like the concept of global warming as a problem to humanity. You don’t like Al Gore. You don’t CO2 is a form of pollution, for some bizarre reason. You don’t like liberals.
Al Gore put together a movie based on his beliefs. The movie is not a loony viewpoint, but one that is shared by many, around the world, if not yourself. It is not specifically motivated by anti-business sentiment nor it is specifically a liberal viewpoint. It is a viewpoint that does not need to be equated with either of these things you fear.
Take it alone on it’s merits or flaws, without wrapping Al Gore and your childish views of republican vs liberal into your judgment, if you can.
These threads are like reading comic books. It’s pretty sad really.
Wherein our former vice-president admits that he lied in his movie during an interview about said steaming pile of cinematic garbage.[/quote]
Thanks for the link, although I honestly don’t care either way about the content in this film as I will probably never see it.
That still doesn’t change the fact that anyone basing their opinion on the horribly flawed logic in the “letter” above is doing themselves a disservice. I believe that honest minds have a responsibility to reject this type of flawed rhetoric, even if the underlying point is true. That was the only point I was making with my post.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?
How is exposing his pack of lies and exaggerations attacking?
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At least Gore’s in good company with the standard of “exaggeration is good” - one might even think one could start the exaggeration before even finding the facts…
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?
How is exposing his pack of lies and exaggerations attacking?
Again, have you even seen the film yet?[/quote]
I don’t intend to.
I have read quite a few books and a seemingly a million articles on the subject from the different perspectives. I don’t need to waste my time with his tripe.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?
BINGO![/quote]
Be serious. Al Gore may wind up being the candidate - but is he a man to be feared?
Sometimes the only way to motivate people is fear. When faced with the collective action problem that is pollution and is potentially exasobating the warming trend the planet is currrently undergoing, people might need to be frightened a little before they’re willing to make even a SMALL lifestyle change, like say walking the two blocks to the post office instead of driving, or looking for a house to buy in a semi-urban area as opposed to a dislocated suburb. Perhaps people who care/are a little scared are more likley to vote for an efficient and effective public transportation system.
If you want to call this part of Al Gore and the left wing’s “agenda”, well sure. Doing our best to prevent possible widespread global catastrophe is part of the agenda. So is reducing the ammount of carcinogens in the drinking water and air, so is preserving forrests so that our grandchildren will be able to witness nature in its glory and feel the awe one feels when seeing a tree that’s older than Christianity, and so is bettering the quality of life for as many people as possible. Yep, those evil liberals with their special interests and agendas…
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?
BINGO!
Be serious. Al Gore may wind up being the candidate - but is he a man to be feared?
Again, be serious.[/quote]
I would not fear him but it seems some on the right do for some reason…go figure?
Sometimes the only way to motivate people is fear.[/quote]
Climate Terrorists!!!
Really, the best comment I’ve heard is that Kyoto is a first step and that implimenting the equivalent of 30 Kyotos would fix the problem. That’s scary!
[quote]knewsom wrote:
Sometimes the only way to motivate people is fear.
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I keep hear how the Republicans are always getting their way by creating and using fear. So it applies to the environment but not the war on terror?
And the saving the planet stuff is so tiring to listen to. The planet has survived dinosaurs, an ice age, and countless other events. I am sure it will survive humans also.
Once again, you don’t have any idea what the Right thinks.
I can speak for most people on the correct side of issues: We hope and pray that algore gets the nomination.
I’m serious. hillary is unlikely to win. However, she can trade off of her gender and the fanatical support of the clinton name from a segment of the population.
gore can play the “sympathy” card about 2000.
It would be so easy to destroy that crap.
I would simply say, “Where were you in 2004?”
If you were so “wronged,” why did you duck the rematch.
Again, tme, I can speak for the majority of the Good Guys when I say that the only fear we have is the possiblility of someone new and exciting entering the race on the democratic side.
[quote]CDM wrote:
And the saving the planet stuff is so tiring to listen to. The planet has survived dinosaurs, an ice age, and countless other events. I am sure it will survive humans also.[/quote]
I agree. It’s somewhat vain on humanity’s part to assume we can destroy the earth. I’m sure mother nature will get rid of us before we could come close to causing that much damage.
I think that I’ve read some theories on that somewhere. Theories relating to that very thing happening to the “lost” civilizations. I will try to find where I read those.
I never said anything about desroying the planet. However, it’s possible that through our actions we’re damaging the ecosystem such that it could make life for humans very difficult, and/or deadly for hundreds of millions of people, not to mention countless species of plant and animal that could become extinct.
sure, life will go on, but will it be worth it?
“Fear will keep them in line. Fear of this battlestationm.”
“The power of this battlestation is insignificant next to the power of the Force.”
Dude, of COURSE politicians all use fear to motivate people. that’s the only way around a collective action problem, didn’t you take plitical science 101? That and to pay people. Thing is, a war is sadly an easier sell to people even if it’s unecessary, than trying to make SMALL lifestyle changes to lower pollution and environmental impact.
Another thing of note is that we are able to do what no other species before us has been able to. We have had the greatest environmental impact of ANY ANIMAL. period. so don’t try to tell me how the world survied the dinosaurs. “they were big! and had lots of teeth, and the world survived!”