Questions for Al Gore

Dear Mr. Gore:

I have just seen your new movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” about the threat that global warming presents to humanity. I think you did a very good job of explaining global warming theory, and your presentation was effective. Please convey my compliments to your good friend, Laurie David, for a job well done.

As a climate scientist myself – you might remember me…I’m the one you mistook for your “good friend,” UK scientist Phil Jones during my congressional testimony some years back – I have a few questions that occurred to me while watching the movie.

  1. Why did you make it look like hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, floods, droughts, and ice calving off of glaciers and falling into the ocean, are only recent phenomena associated with global warming? You surely know that hurricane experts have been warning congress for many years that the natural cycle in hurricanes would return some day, and that our built-up coastlines were ripe for a disaster (like Katrina, which you highlighted in the movie).

And as long as snow continues to fall on glaciers, they will continue to flow downhill toward the sea. Yet you made it look like these things wouldn’t happen if it weren’t for global warming. Also, since there are virtually no measures of severe weather showing a recent increase, I assume those graphs you showed actually represented damage increases, which are well known to be simply due to greater population and wealth. Is that right?

  1. Why did you make it sound like all scientists agree that climate change is manmade and not natural? You mentioned a recent literature review study that supposedly found no peer-reviewed articles that attributed climate change to natural causes (a non-repeatable study which has since been refuted…I have a number of such articles in my office!)

You also mentioned how important it is to listen to scientists when they warn us, yet surely you know that almost all past scientific predictions of gloom and doom have been wrong. How can we trust scientists’ predictions now?

  1. I know you still must feel bad about the last presidential election being stolen from you, but why did you have to make fun of Republican presidents (Reagan; both Bushes) for their views on global warming? The points you made in the movie might have had wider appeal if you did not alienate so many moviegoers in this manner.

  2. Your presentation showing the past 650,000 years of atmospheric temperature and carbon dioxide reconstructions from ice cores was very effective. But I assume you know that some scientists view the CO2 increases as the result of, rather than the cause of, past temperature increases. It seems unlikely that CO2 variations have been the dominant cause of climate change for hundreds of thousands of years. And now that there is a new source of carbon dioxide emissions (people), those old relationships are probably not valid anymore. Why did you give no hint of these alternative views?

  3. When you recounted your 6-year-old son’s tragic accident that nearly killed him, I thought that you were going to make the point that, if you had lived in a poor country like China or India, your son would have probably died. But then you later held up these countries as model examples for their low greenhouse gas emissions, without mentioning that the only reason their emissions were so low was because people in those countries are so poor. I’m confused…do you really want us to live like the poor people in India and China?

  4. There seems to be a lot of recent concern that more polar bears are drowning these days because of disappearing sea ice. I assume you know that polar bears have always migrated to land in late summer when sea ice naturally melts back, and then return to the ice when it re-freezes. Also, if this was really happening, why did the movie have to use a computer generated animation of the poor polar bear swimming around looking for ice? Haven’t there been any actual observations of this happening? Also, temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930’s…before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don’t you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?

  5. Why did you make it sound like simply signing on to the Kyoto Protocol to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions would be such a big step forward, when we already know it will have no measurable effect on global temperatures anyway? And even though it represents such a small emission reduction, the economic pain Kyoto causes means that almost no developed country will be meeting its emission reductions commitments under that treaty, as we are now witnessing in Europe.

  6. At the end of the movie, you made it sound like we can mostly fix the global warming problem by conserving energy… you even claimed we can reduce our carbon emissions to zero. But I’m sure you know that this will only be possible with major technological advancements, including a probable return to nuclear power as an energy source. Why did you not mention this need for technological advancement and nuclear power? It is because that would support the current (Republican) Administration’s view?

Mr. Gore, I think we can both agree that if it was relatively easy for mankind to stop emitting so much carbon dioxide, that we should do so. You are a very smart person, so I can’t understand why you left so many important points unmentioned, and you made it sound so easy.

I wish you well in these efforts, and I hope that humanity will make the right choices based upon all of the information we have on the subject of global warming. I agree with you that global warming is indeed a “moral issue,” and if we are to avoid doing more harm than good with misguided governmental policies, we will need more politicians to be educated on the issue.

Your “Good Friend,”

Dr. Roy W. Spencer
(aka ‘Phil Jones’)

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=052506C

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Dear Mr. Gore:

I have just seen your new movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” about the threat that global warming presents to humanity. I think you did a very good job of explaining global warming theory, and your presentation was effective. Please convey my compliments to your good friend, Laurie David, for a job well done.

As a climate scientist myself – you might remember me…I’m the one you mistook for your “good friend,” UK scientist Phil Jones during my congressional testimony some years back – I have a few questions that occurred to me while watching the movie.

  1. Why did you make it look like hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, floods, droughts, and ice calving off of glaciers and falling into the ocean, are only recent phenomena associated with global warming? You surely know that hurricane experts have been warning congress for many years that the natural cycle in hurricanes would return some day, and that our built-up coastlines were ripe for a disaster (like Katrina, which you highlighted in the movie). [/quote]

You don’t have to believe it is happening, but if we are warming up the climate, a water temperature increase of a very small amount provides a tremendous amount of extra available energy to a forming hurricane.

Just watch them discuss the expected power of the hurricane as it travels over warmer and cooler patches of the gulf, like last year.

So, while I’m happy to let it remain an if, it is hard to argue that an increase in temperature would not result in a stronger storms.

[quote]And as long as snow continues to fall on glaciers, they will continue to flow downhill toward the sea. Yet you made it look like these things wouldn’t happen if it weren’t for global warming. Also, since there are virtually no measures of severe weather showing a recent increase, I assume those graphs you showed actually represented damage increases, which are well known to be simply due to greater population and wealth. Is that right?
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Again, this is similar, everyone can argue about whether or not warming is a cause of human intervention, but if it does happen, then hotter weather will result in more release of water from glaciers.

Let’s at least make sure we are recognize that the risks discussed are real, but that the agreement that the temperature rise is caused by mankind is missing.

Name them. Let’s show some serious peer reviewed articles showing that warming can ALL be attributed to natural processes. Of course there are climate changes involved with natural processes as well…

This one doesn’t really mean anything. Either it is right or it is wrong. This is not the type of argument a scientist would generally be making.

LOL. So, the author wants the movie to appeal to more people, to spread the word about global warming to more republicans? Why might that be?

[quote]4) Your presentation showing the past 650,000 years of atmospheric temperature and carbon dioxide reconstructions from ice cores was very effective. But I assume you know that some scientists view the CO2 increases as the result of, rather than the cause of, past temperature increases. It seems unlikely that CO2 variations have been the dominant cause of climate change for hundreds of thousands of years. And now that there is a new source of carbon dioxide emissions (people), those old relationships are probably not valid anymore. Why did you give no hint of these alternative views?
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Again, this is a bit of a stretch. On one hand the writer casts doubt at what is being said, but then says things are probably different now. What, then if he was wrong before he’s right now?

We do know what some gases reflect heat more than others. We can argue about whether or not there are processes available to the Earth to counter an increase in reflected heat back towards the planet, but you can’t argue with the physics of which gases are reflecting infrared energy.

I think the critique would be better served to show how rising CO2 levels either aren’t a problem or that other issues are in place to ameliorate any suggested problem. The letter writer is really doing nothing, except trying to poke holes with no supporting details.

Is this a trick? Maybe there are ways to change society, over the long term, towards ways of living that aren’t as consumption based. I’m not going kumba-ya here, but if I drive a hummer 90 miles a day to work, I’m probably having a bigger environmental impact than if I walk several blocks to work.

Nice way to characterize the comments, but again, pure politics and nothing of substance. Should we go on polluting the planet as if it doesn’t matter, or should we, in the longer term, find more environmentally friendly paths for society?

LOL.

Yep, it would be better to do nothing. The issues is whether or not the steps in the Kyoto Accord are the right steps to take or not. If, as some argue, they target the wrong processes, then other steps perhaps should be taken.

However, the fact that things are expensive does not always mean they should not be undertaken. Wars are expensive, but a lot of people don’t mind spending the money.

Aha, we need to declare war on global warming and pollution… that will make it easy to spend any outlay of cash!

LOL. Please. Technological advancement is just a nice way to say we can’t do this now.

So, the letter writer again feels that people should find ways to reduce emissions?

If so, then all he has are some political points? There’s a surprise.

What a dickhead.

[quote]vroom wrote:

What a dickhead.
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I agree. Gore is a huge dickhead for making such a misleading movie.

Zap,

The guy who wrote the letter had a lot of agreement that this was an important issue and that pollution levels need to be reduced.

Do you agree with the writer on that front or not?

Your feelings for Al Gore are obviously political.

I just want to know why he’s making shitty movies when ManBearPig’s still out there somewhere.

exactly. If this film had been made by some famous republican, you’d probably be agreeing with it.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap,

The guy who wrote the letter had a lot of agreement that this was an important issue and that pollution levels need to be reduced.

Do you agree with the writer on that front or not?

Your feelings for Al Gore are obviously political.[/quote]

Pollution should be reduced. CO2 is not pollution.

I believe we should do a better job conserving energy. So do most other people.

Of course my feelings about Al Gore are political. He is a political figure. I have never met the man. I can hardly base my opinion on social interaction.

It appears Gore made a very deceptive movie to further his agenda. Propaganda, pure and simple.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Zap,

The guy who wrote the letter had a lot of agreement that this was an important issue and that pollution levels need to be reduced.

Do you agree with the writer on that front or not?

Your feelings for Al Gore are obviously political.

Pollution should be reduced. CO2 is not pollution.

I believe we should do a better job conserving energy. So do most other people.

Of course my feelings about Al Gore are political. He is a political figure. I have never met the man. I can hardly base my opinion on social interaction.

It appears Gore made a very deceptive movie to further his agenda. Propaganda, pure and simple.[/quote]

Have you seen the film yet? I have no idea how “deceptive” the film is, but if you’re basing your opinion of the film on the embarrassingly flawed logic present in this “letter”, you’re doing yourself a disservice.

[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Have you seen the film yet? I have no idea how “deceptive” the film is…[/quote]

Umm Moriarty? Take a look at this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638223/posts

Wherein our former vice-president admits that he lied in his movie during an interview about said steaming pile of cinematic garbage.

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
Have you seen the film yet? I have no idea how “deceptive” the film is…

Umm Moriarty? Take a look at this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638223/posts

Wherein our former vice-president admits that he lied in his movie during an interview about said steaming pile of cinematic garbage.[/quote]

“In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don’t think there’s a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous (global warming) is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.” – Al Gore

If you read that carefully he contradicts himself, because if global warming is as dangerous as he thinks, he is probably not exaggerating.

So even if he thinks he is lying he probably isn?t?

Anyway, to dismiss something because a politician is bullshitting is like dismissing something because the birds are singing.

It is in their nature and it is spring…

[quote]orion wrote:
Anyway, to dismiss something because a politician is bullshitting is like dismissing something because the birds are singing.
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LOL Touche, my friend. I couldn’t agree more.

But still, the point was about just how much deception was in the movie, right? Well, when the guy who made it comes out and says “yeah… I exaggerated and lied” then I guess we have an answer for that, don’t we? :slight_smile:

I have fully politically independent and valid reasons myself for why I completely reject the idea of Global Warming being a human-caused or a human-fixable phenomenon – most of those reasons centered around the fact that unusual Global Warming isn’t even happening.

Let’s stop polluting for normal and valid reasons, folks… not because we are idiotically afraid of causing the end of the world, okay?

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Let’s stop polluting for normal and valid reasons, folks… not because we are idiotically afraid of causing the end of the world, okay?[/quote]

Very well said.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Let’s stop polluting for normal and valid reasons, folks… not because we are idiotically afraid of causing the end of the world, okay?

Very well said.

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Exactly.

Human induced global warming may be real. However the more lies that are told to support the theory makes me more skeptical.

Gore is muddying the waters to further his political career. That is the way of politics and I don’t like it but I understand it.

We have some real concerns with the environment that need to be addressed.

We need to spend some more money cleaning our waterways and air.

The global warming discussion is a distraction from the real problems.

You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?

[quote]tme wrote:
You guys must be getting nervous about a Gore run in '08 to start attacking him this early. He’s already got you kinda scared, huh?

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How is exposing his pack of lies and exaggerations attacking?

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap,

The guy who wrote the letter had a lot of agreement that this was an important issue and that pollution levels need to be reduced.

Do you agree with the writer on that front or not?

Your feelings for Al Gore are obviously political.[/quote]

Pollution and global warming are two separate issues, though people try to conflate them.

I think global warming is occurring, and I think the scientific consensus is that its occurring. Global mean temperature has increased a little more than 1 degree celsius over the past century - bout 0.12 degrees C per decade since 1958, and about 0.16 degrees C per decade since 1979. In the tropics, temperature increased at about 0.11 degrees C per decade since 1958, and about 0.13 degrees C per decade since 1979. ( http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/pressreleases/pressrelease2may2006.htm ) (We should note that this level of increase is much less than what alarmist models would predict with the historical inputs). What there isn’t a consensus for is how much, if at all, human activity is contributing - and thus what, if anything, we could do to “stop it.” (As opposed to focusing efforts on planning how to handle it, which we could and should do.)

Like Arnold Kling, I don’t really trust scientific consensus ( Scientific Consensus or Religious War? - Econlib ) or climate models.

However, assuming arguendo that human activity is a factor, I have yet to see a good plan for what to do. Imagine passing and extending Kyoto and turning 2/3 of the U.S. energy supply into nuclear, wind, and solar power - quite a goal, and probably unrealistic at this point. But if that were achieved, and China and India continue to industrialize, global warming would likely continue and perhaps accelerate, according to the models that hold humans contribute to global warming.

To paraphrase Tyler Cowen, I have yet to see a real plan that recognizes three points: a) without continued economic growth the world will probably fall apart, b) the problem is real and significant, c) any good preventive solution would require an enormous amount of concerted action across both time and across nations.

[Edited to update historical temperature numbers and provide link]

Here’s a good post laying out something very similar to what I think on global warming (and illustrating a little blogger smackdown:

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I just want to know why he’s making shitty movies when ManBearPig’s still out there somewhere.[/quote]

Why won’t anyone listen to him, he’s being super cereal about global warming

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I think global warming is occurring, and I think the scientific consensus is that its occurring. Global mean temperature has increased about 1 degree celsius over the past century - about .19 degrees celsius per decade. (We should note that this level of increase is much less than what alarmist models would predict with the historical inputs). What there isn’t a consensus for is how much, if at all, human activity is contributing - and thus what, if anything, we could do to “stop it.” (As opposed to focusing efforts on planning how to handle it, which we could and should do.)

Like Arnold Kling, I don’t really trust scientific consensus ( Scientific Consensus or Religious War? - Econlib ) or climate models.

However, assuming arguendo that human activity is a factor, I have yet to see a good plan for what to do. Imagine passing and extending Kyoto and turning 2/3 of the U.S. energy supply into nuclear, wind, and solar power - quite a goal, and probably unrealistic at this point. But if that were achieved, and China and India continue to industrialize, global warming would likely continue and perhaps accelerate, according to the models that hold humans contribute to global warming.

To paraphrase Tyler Cowen, I have yet to see a real plan that recognizes three points: a) without continued economic growth the world will probably fall apart, b) the problem is real and significant, c) any good preventive solution would require an enormous amount of concerted action across both time and across nations.
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Exactly.

This does not stop political opportunists from using it as a bogeyman.

It sort of reminds me of what the Republicans did with the war on drugs.

If you are not on board they use the old “think of the children” cliche to stifle discussion.