Questions About Training

Hey CT
a quick question

Ive been hearing since many years that long term gains in lean muscle can only be made by consistently adding weight to the bar and all that the various techniques such as drop sets, forced reps, static holds for time, extremely high volume etc do is increase the pump and only cause sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and this cant produce CONSISTENT reliable muscle growth over an extended period and these gains wont stick around unless that “additional lean mass” is used to get stronger by reverting to high intensity/low volume training.

What are your views on this and do the gains made by employing such techniques diminish quicker?

Thanks for the time!

Thib,

Do you have any tricks to learn how to activate the triceps. Even when I do pull downs I feel my chest workig a bit unless I cut the range of motion. I am chest dominant.

Thanks in advance !

[quote]TEKEN wrote:
Thib,

Do you have any tricks to learn how to activate the triceps. Even when I do pull downs I feel my chest workig a bit unless I cut the range of motion. I am chest dominant.

Thanks in advance ![/quote]

  1. Every time you do a pressing movement for the triceps, try to ‘spread the bar’ (trying to push your hands out as you press)

  2. Try performing a superset of one triceps isolation exercise and one triceps compound movement. The former will improve the mind-muscle connection and you should be able to better feel the triceps working in the later movement, which will make it easier to get a good triceps contraction during the pressing exercise.

  3. Try high double contraction close-grip bench: lower the bar 3-4’', push it up, lower it down to the chest, lift it back up… this is ONE rep

[quote]devil007 wrote:
Hey CT
a quick question

Ive been hearing since many years that long term gains in lean muscle can only be made by consistently adding weight to the bar and all that the various techniques such as drop sets, forced reps, static holds for time, extremely high volume etc do is increase the pump and only cause sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and this cant produce CONSISTENT reliable muscle growth over an extended period and these gains wont stick around unless that “additional lean mass” is used to get stronger by reverting to high intensity/low volume training.

What are your views on this and do the gains made by employing such techniques diminish quicker?

Thanks for the time!
[/quote]

I’m torn on this one…

  1. I do believe that the best gains are made by lifting more weight over time. I also belive that more quality muscle tissue can be built with lower reps/heavier weight sets than higher reps with less weight.

So in that case I do agree with your statement.

  1. However I believe than some special techniques will increase your rate of quality muscle growth. These techniques are those that allow you to either maximise fast-twitch muscle fiber recruitment; to lift more weight; to be able to perform more reps with a heavy weight.

A good example of each would be:

Maximize FT fibers recruitment: Ramp loading

Lift more weight: alternating sets of supramaximal partial reps with sets of regular reps on a movement

Do more reps with a heavy weight: clusters

[quote]Droogan Leader wrote:
Coach,

Lower body maintenance and upper body growth. I recently finished dropping to my desired weight not too long ago, but was a little displeased with the results. I had built some decent muscle (I emphasized too much on pwer cleans, deadlifts and squats) and maintained much of my strength in my legs, but my upper body looks 3rd world (leaving me unbalanced). To make it worst, I have a wide-waist even when very lean, which makes me look even more blocky.

I want to gain muscle again, but this time really focusing on my upper body (namely arms, traps, wide lats and wide shoulders) with atleast maintaining my lower body strength. This way when I drop back down again, I will look a lot more balanced.

What would you briefly recommend as far as training goes? Extremely heavy low rep, low set leg movements on leg day?

I’m considering a 4 day split (legs one day, shoulders/back/chest on the other three), but what would you advise?

Thanks for the time![/quote]

I think that specializing is the best way to stimulate long-term growth at the fastest possible rate.

However I believe that specializing on 3 major muscle group at once is a recipe for disaster.

Here’s why a spec approach is superior:

  1. You are focusing all your adaptation energy towards making the one or two target muscle groups grow.

  2. The more you can stimulate a muscle without exceeding your capacity to recover, the more growth youâ??ll stimulate in that muscle.

  3. The more often you train a muscle, the better you become at recruiting the fast twitch/high-threshold muscle fibers within that muscle (neural efficiency). The more you can recruit those high growth potential fibers, the more size youâ??ll gain.

  4. Increasing the amount of work for the target muscle groups while keeping the same amount of weekly work (by reducing work for other body parts) will prevent CNS fatigue and an hormonal crash toward catabolism.

  5. You need much less stimulation to maintain muscle mass than to increase it. So even if you train a muscle for maintenance you will not lose any size (you might even gain some).

  6. Constantly hitting a muscle hard will eventually make that muscle less and less responsive to any training stimulus. At first you can circumvent the problem by changing exercises and training methods. But eventually your muscles become so adapted to handling physical work that their response to any form of training becomes insignificant. This is called a loss of trainability.

  7. The way to restore trainability is to â??detrainâ?? the non-responsive muscle. You can do this either by stopping training (in which case youâ??ll lose size and strength) or by dramatically reducing training stress for that muscle group (in which case you can maintain size and strength).

  8. So while you may fear losing some size by maintaining muscle groups, you are actually making them more responsive to training which means that in the long run youâ??ll be able to make them much larger than had you continued to train them maximally year round.

Pay special attention to points 2. 6. and 7.

Basically you want to bring up your body, so you decide to go with a spec approach. This is fine.

Where you go wrong is that you decide to specialize on the WHOLE upper body at the same time. Even if you try to avoid it, it is very likely thar you will end up exceeding your capacity to recover while doing so.

But this isn’t even the biggest problem.

By attempting to bring up the whole upper body at once you will kill your trainability real fast. In other words, while growth might be okay for 2-3 weeks. More than that an no upper body muscle will respond to training even if you are changing your training stimulus. You’ll end up plateauing way before your solved your problem.

A smarter approach would be to specialize on one major muscle group and its synergist for 3-4 weeks, then moving on to a different section:

I suggest:

Weeks 1-3: Shoulders and traps
Weeks 4-6: Back and biceps
Weeks 7-9: Chest and triceps
Weeks 10-11: regular trainining

Start a second cycle

The spec muscle groups get 3 workouts a week while the rest of the body is worked for maintenance over 1 or 2 other workouts.

[quote]ALX wrote:
Hi CT,

Do you have to lift very heavy to have a muscle tear, lets say while benching?

I’m asking this because lately I changed my routine to a low rep oriented one (4-6 rep), I almost always been between 10-15 rep for the last 2 years and half. I had great muscle development, but I’m kind of weak.

As I said I’m weak, bench pressing 205 lb for 4-5 reps is the best I can do right now, but the muscular stress is very different from what I’m use to and I’m wondering about a possible muscle tear.

Do you have advice about things I could do to prevent it? Do I have to think about it even if I’m not an advanced bodybuilder?

Thanks[/quote]

From experience you have just about as much risk tearing something from low reps than from high reps. In other words, lower reps are no more dangerous as long as you stay within your limits.

I do believe that lactate build-up from high rep stuff can actually be more dangerous for muscle tears than heavy lifting as it discrupt motor unit recruitment as well as coordination.

[quote]Thy. wrote:
Thanks, Thib.

Am I right that explosive contrast is like heavy 1 rep@95% followed by something like 80% for 5 at high speed for about 3-4 circles?[/quote]

No you aren’t.

Explosive contrast is one high-speed movement followed by one heavy movement.

Explosive can be one of three things:

High speed regular lifting exercise with 45-55% of your max
Olympic lift variations with 70-85% of your max
Ballistic exercises with 20-30% of your max

Heavy is anything using more than 85%

[quote]Thy. wrote:
And also regular explosive is 10x3@40-50%?

[/quote]

That’s one method

[quote]fighter1157 wrote:
Coach Thibaudeau,

What periodization models you see as the best ones for bodybuilding?

Accumulation - Intensification ?
Poliquin’s undulating periodization ?

Some other?
[/quote]

Neither… no periodization scheme

Hi Thibs,

I read somewhere that if your jumping technique is already efficient, a 2x body weight squat is a good goal for a great vertical… Whats your thoughts on this please?

Is training squats/deadlifts 3x week too much in pursuit of these goals?

Any advice greatly appreciated…

Thib,

For athletes’ ESW, when making use of appropriate work:rest ratios for the chosen sport, is it acceptable or even beneficial to randomize the use or different work:rest ratios (with each one still falling within the appropriate range for that sport)? Or would it be a good idea to use different work:rest ratios on different days of the week, e.g. have something like a “worst case” scenario day (the high end of the work:rest ratio, a “best case” day (low end of the work:rest ratio), and an “average” day falling somewhere in between

Really…no periodization?

That’s interesting. I know that your are probably strapped for time, but do you mind elaborating a bit?

Have you found that your athletes may obtain more optimal gains from simply training heavy etc?

Thanks,
GJ

Coach,

Normally an athletes muscle mass is merely a by-product of training to improve his performance in his sport, but in cases where an athlete does need as much added mass ASAP would specialization also be the way to go? Would there be any major differences between an athlete using specialization phases for mass and someone training purely for aesthetics or would the programs look a lot more similar (when using this approach) than one might expect?

DAY 1 - TOP END STRENGTH
A1. Partial deadlifts in the power rack (pin pulls), in week one you start the bar just above the knees and every 3 weeks you lower the starting position
Work up to a 3RM then work up to a 1RM

A2. Power clean from high hang (mid-thigh)
3-5 reps

B1. Functional isometric top half deadlift (from just above the knees)
4 x 9 seconds

B2. Power clean from high hang
4 x 1-3 reps

C1. Depth jumps
3 x 10

C2. Leg extension
3 x 6-8

Why leg extensions?

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
devil007 wrote:
Hey CT
a quick question

Ive been hearing since many years that long term gains in lean muscle can only be made by consistently adding weight to the bar and all that the various techniques such as drop sets, forced reps, static holds for time, extremely high volume etc do is increase the pump and only cause sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and this cant produce CONSISTENT reliable muscle growth over an extended period and these gains wont stick around unless that “additional lean mass” is used to get stronger by reverting to high intensity/low volume training.

What are your views on this and do the gains made by employing such techniques diminish quicker?

Thanks for the time!

I’m torn on this one…

  1. I do believe that the best gains are made by lifting more weight over time. I also belive that more quality muscle tissue can be built with lower reps/heavier weight sets than higher reps with less weight.

So in that case I do agree with your statement.

  1. However I believe than some special techniques will increase your rate of quality muscle growth. These techniques are those that allow you to either maximise fast-twitch muscle fiber recruitment; to lift more weight; to be able to perform more reps with a heavy weight.

A good example of each would be:

Maximize FT fibers recruitment: Ramp loading

Lift more weight: alternating sets of supramaximal partial reps with sets of regular reps on a movement

Do more reps with a heavy weight: clusters[/quote]

thanks CT

the techniques you mentioned use supramaximal weights or maximal ones but what about those which use submaximal weights like ordinary drop sets, forced reps, static holds with less weight(I know these arent optimal for advanced but im talking about beginner-intermediate trainees) and are the gains made by these temporary?

[quote]drewh wrote:

Why leg extensions?[/quote]

To put a bit more structural stress/growth stimulation on the quads (which are important for top end strength) without overstressing the CNS, which already takes a beating from this workout.

Thib, are such movements as weighted chin-ups, t-rows, 1-arm rows suitable for performing multiple heavy singles or doubles at almost 1RM intensity like with traditional power and oly lifts? I’m asking because it feels like the nature of the back muscles is different from hips and pushing muscles.

Thibs,

What are your thoughts on old school hand strength exercises (ex. phone book ripping to pinching two 45s together) for overall body strength? Does grip strength really transfer to better lifts? I’ve heard rumors that say a better grip strength not only increases your bench press and curls, but also increases your deadlift (even if its not your sticking point).

Coach, what is your opinion of taking naps during the day? School and doing research in the lab totally drain me and I usually need to take a nap before I lift. Usually I wake up 2 hours before I go workout…but am I still shooting myself in the foot when it comes to my workouts and energy in general?

Kind of going off of that question: I always wake up really warm, and sweaty, which causes me to be horribly dehydrated. Even when I have the fan on, and the window open (heck it’s been snowing outside and I still overheat) Is this indicative of something wrong metabolically?

Periodization per se is really ust cycling. And as such, the specialization approach allows the muscles being “maintained” to become resensitized. For example if you specialize on Back first then after the first phase you will move back to a holding pattern for your back by drastically reducing volume and frequency. This type of training has built in cycling as you only focus on 2 bodyparts per phase.

DH

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Really…no periodization?

That’s interesting. I know that your are probably strapped for time, but do you mind elaborating a bit?

Have you found that your athletes may obtain more optimal gains from simply training heavy etc?

Thanks,
GJ[/quote]

[quote]DH wrote:
Periodization per se is really ust cycling. And as such, the specialization approach allows the muscles being “maintained” to become resensitized. For example if you specialize on Back first then after the first phase you will move back to a holding pattern for your back by drastically reducing volume and frequency. This type of training has built in cycling as you only focus on 2 bodyparts per phase.

DH

Gymjunkie wrote:
Really…no periodization?

That’s interesting. I know that your are probably strapped for time, but do you mind elaborating a bit?

Have you found that your athletes may obtain more optimal gains from simply training heavy etc?

Thanks,
GJ

[/quote]

Ahh, makes perfect sense. I never looked at it this way.

Thanks DH

GJ