I have a few questions about Surge and would greatly appreciate some help.
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How is this formula better than some of the high glycemic creatine drinks mixed with whey isolate? Both have high glycemic carbs. Mix in some whey isolate and you have a good post workout drink, right?
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If Surge is a high glycemic drink, why do they recommend taking it before and during your workout. Wouldn’t you want to eat a low glycemic light meal before a workout. I would think that if something spikes your insulin up that much (Surge) you would most likely have a blood sugar crash during your workout.
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Why Whey Hydrolysate? Isn’t whey isolate the highest quality and most fast and easy digesting protein? So why not use isolate? I thought Hydrolysate is a lower quality protein than isolate.
Please help me on these questions. I have been reading tons of great reviews from Surge and am thinking about trying it but want to do a little research first. Thanks.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
I have a few questions about Surge and would greatly appreciate some help.
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How is this formula better than some of the high glycemic creatine drinks mixed with whey isolate? Both have high glycemic carbs. Mix in some whey isolate and you have a good post workout drink, right?
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If Surge is a high glycemic drink, why do they recommend taking it before and during your workout. Wouldn’t you want to eat a low glycemic light meal before a workout. I would think that if something spikes your insulin up that much (Surge) you would most likely have a blood sugar crash during your workout.
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Why Whey Hydrolysate? Isn’t whey isolate the highest quality and most fast and easy digesting protein? So why not use isolate? I thought Hydrolysate is a lower quality protein than isolate.
Please help me on these questions. I have been reading tons of great reviews from Surge and am thinking about trying it but want to do a little research first. Thanks.
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interesting questions. as for #1, which simple carbs are in those creatine cocktails? fructose/sucrose are very inferior to glucose in the PWO window, but glucose alone can’t make those drinks sweet enough to sell.
as for #2, you’re going to Surge after your workout invariably and sometimes during it. this won’t change if you happen to Surge before your workout as well.
as for #3, take a look at David Barr’s comprehensive answer:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459463
I had a comprehensive post all layed out, and my internet thought it was funny to just dump it. So here we go again (hope I don’t miss anything). . .
- The taste! Good luck creating the perfect blend of high-GI carbs, whey-protein hydrolysate (which tastes horrid, on it’s own), and BCAA - more of which have been added, and have proven very valuable to the overall formula (see links in #2). Also, you’d be hard pressed to make such a combo that would be cheaper, per serving, than Surge; there was actually a thread about this not too long ago.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=635903
Sure, what’ve you’ve mentioned might be good, but Surge is the best.
- Check out Dr. JB’s Solving the Post-Workout Puzzle, Parts 1 & 2. He covers the how and why of Surge’s formula.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460833
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462147
Also, if you start sipping/drinking half a serving at the start of your training (and have the other half afterwards), you’ll be fine. Many people have been doing this for years now and have never had a problem, myself included. I’d simply not have it too far in advance; other than that, it’s not a problem (and JB has covered why).
- Yup, chillian’s got that one covered.
If you have any other questions, shoot!
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
I have a few questions about Surge and would greatly appreciate some help.
-
How is this formula better than some of the high glycemic creatine drinks mixed with whey isolate? Both have high glycemic carbs. Mix in some whey isolate and you have a good post workout drink, right?
-
If Surge is a high glycemic drink, why do they recommend taking it before and during your workout. Wouldn’t you want to eat a low glycemic light meal before a workout. I would think that if something spikes your insulin up that much (Surge) you would most likely have a blood sugar crash during your workout.
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Why Whey Hydrolysate? Isn’t whey isolate the highest quality and most fast and easy digesting protein? So why not use isolate? I thought Hydrolysate is a lower quality protein than isolate.
Please help me on these questions. I have been reading tons of great reviews from Surge and am thinking about trying it but want to do a little research first. Thanks.
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Thanks for the help guys. That article really cleared things up for me and made sense. I have a couple more questions though.
If I am going to take HOT-ROX and Surge and my goal is to gain lean mass and decrease body fat, when should I take the two supplements. The HOT-ROX bottle says take in the morning before breakfast and then six hours later on an empty stomach. If I want to take HOT-ROX before my workout to take advantage of the energy boost, is it OK to start sipping the Surge before my workout? How would you guys go about fitting these two supplements into your day? Thanks for all the help.
Hi there, not sure if you read the current article, but I’m a big fan of having Surge pre-workout.
When I was out of Carbolin 19, I’d have my Maximum Strength HOT-ROX ~40 minutes before workout along with my Power Drive.
Hope this helps!
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Thanks for the help guys. That article really cleared things up for me and made sense. I have a couple more questions though.
If I am going to take HOT-ROX and Surge and my goal is to gain lean mass and decrease body fat, when should I take the two supplements. The HOT-ROX bottle says take in the morning before breakfast and then six hours later on an empty stomach. If I want to take HOT-ROX before my workout to take advantage of the energy boost, is it OK to start sipping the Surge before my workout? How would you guys go about fitting these two supplements into your day? Thanks for all the help.[/quote]
If I’m not concerned with spending alot of money on Surge, how much and when should I take it.
Pre workout, during workout, after workout, 1 hour after workout??
What works for you guys?
Well, this is a great question for Dave given his latest article, but I’ll toss out what I’ve been doing for quite some time, with great results.
Keep in mind, this is while bulking, and after experimenting with full servings both before, and after; so what may work for me might be slightly different from your optimal protocol.
I like to have a full serving of Surge preworkout, then about halfway through start sipping on half serving and continue to sip through the rest of my session. I’ll then follow that up with another half serving when I’m finished.
After my workout, somewhere between 30-60 minutes (usually closer to 30), I’ll have another full serving of Surge. And my next meal following the Surge will be a few scoops of Low-Carb Grow! and either some oatmeal or other carb source.
I would start out with having a half serving preworkout, and the other half postworkout. Followed by a full serving 30-60 minutes later. Give this a shot for a few weeks, and then readjust.
Enjoy!