HOW THE HELL is he going to lose 20 pounds in that time and already being near comp. ready…That’s nuts!..WhaT’s the dehydration method? are you putting him on it for the sole purpose to make weight or do you do use the dehydration method with all of your bodybuilders? Can’t wait to see him working out this is cool 
MAG-10 protein = Biotest’s version of casein hydrolysate???
[quote]DSQ98 wrote:
MAG-10 protein = Biotest’s version of casein hydrolysate???[/quote]
that’s kinda what I assumed in reading that post. I just wanna see Anaconda 1st, DAMN!
I’m very interested in the MAG-10 Protein… CT said it will have other amino’s n stuff other than just CH, so it sounds very cool…
I wonder if we can bother him about the properties of the CH being used?
Though I’m sure Biotest will reveal all when the time is right… until then we must wait… and drink our pukey CH… 
[quote]skohcl wrote:
I’m very interested in the MAG-10 Protein… CT said it will have other amino’s n stuff other than just CH, so it sounds very cool…
I wonder if we can bother him about the properties of the CH being used?
Though I’m sure Biotest will reveal all when the time is right… until then we must wait… and drink our pukey CH… ;)[/quote]
I can give you ONE piece of info, and it doesn’t even relate to the composition of the product.
IT TASTES AND LOOKS LIKE KOOL-AID. Seriously, you can’t even tell that there is some protein in there. It’s crystal clear and tastes better than any commercial high sugar juice I ever tasted.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
HOW THE HELL is he going to lose 20 pounds in that time and already being near comp. ready…That’s nuts!..WhaT’s the dehydration method? are you putting him on it for the sole purpose to make weight or do you do use the dehydration method with all of your bodybuilders? Can’t wait to see him working out this is cool :)[/quote]
He already lost 11 between last Thursday and this morning. He’s down to 198 now. This is VERY manageable. With the proper method it is rather easy to lose 10lbs of water in a day.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
skohcl wrote:
I’m very interested in the MAG-10 Protein… CT said it will have other amino’s n stuff other than just CH, so it sounds very cool…
I wonder if we can bother him about the properties of the CH being used?
Though I’m sure Biotest will reveal all when the time is right… until then we must wait… and drink our pukey CH…
I can give you ONE piece of info, and it doesn’t even relate to the composition of the product.
IT TASTES AND LOOKS LIKE KOOL-AID. Seriously, you can’t even tell that there is some protein in there. It’s crystal clear and tastes better than any commercial high sugar juice I ever tasted.[/quote]
I remember you saying something like this a while ago when you teased us about it, that it would taste GREAT! Well that is encouraging… any other flavors other than kool-aid?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Shamandalie wrote:
Could I please get advise on my protocol? These are the supps I can get:
W-60 100g fat free yughurt, apple, banana
W-30 beeta-alanine, 4 g leucine, creatine pyruvate, taurine
W-15 recovery drink 100g / 150g (normal x2 / priority x2)
during sip 20g whey hydrolysate, 4 g leucine, beeta-alanine, when priority 50g reco drink
W 60 20g whey hydrolysate, 4 g leucine, creatine
W 90 P and C meal
-is there better alternative for yughurt and fruits?
-is there benefit in using a loader at W-30 containing both complex and simple carbs and electrolytes, designed for runners etc to load up minerals and glycogen during long workouts? could it drive also beeta-alanine, leucine and creatine into the muscle tissue more effectively?
-which is better recovery drink for this peri-workout purpose: one containing 46g both P and C or one containing 32g P and 59 g C?
-is my idea to drink both whey hydrolysate and leucine and reco drink during priority workouts or should I only use whey and leucine?
-is there point in having carbs at PWO meal or should I just have P and F meal instead?
It’s not even close to what I am recommending. Read my threads on the subject, it’s quite easy to find my protocol. It’s not just about taking carbs and protein. You need the right type or it won’t work optimally. Then you need all the other ingredients from the protocol.
It is quite easy to follow (especially when Anaconda and Casein hydrolysate will come out) just follow the protocol. Some people will try to design their own version to save money… but I’ve seen the ingredients, and it will be impossible to copy the protocol effectively and even if it were it would actually cost more money to do so.
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The problem is, here in Finland isn’t anything even close to the protocol in the market and customs is very effective in confiscating all ordered supps which don’t have approved license to be sold in here… So no periworkout protocol at all? Just drink recovery after workout and that’s it? 
Hello. I think it has not been asked yet, if not I apologize.
But what about the protocol for women? It is the same? I ask that because I think that the main homones are preent in different quantities (estrogen & testosterone).
Maybe it just necesary to adjust quantities, but it can be that we must add something different in the para-workout nutrition, isn’t it?
CT. From an earlier question, it sounds like the effectiveness of the Surge brothers in this peri-workout protocol is reduced if mixed too far in advance (24 hrs in that case). How far in advance can we mix them and still be OK?
Today I mixed them around noon (~ 5 hrs before workout) because of a meeting scheduled at the end of the day. I mixed them with luke warm water and then they were refrigerated for 5 hrs prior to consumption.
Workout started about 17:15 so I drank Surge WF at 16:45 and Surge Recovery at 17:00.
Thanks!
Coach Thibaudeau,
Here is my current workout supplementation schedule:
-90min 100G Rice Oligodextrin
30G Whey Isolate
-15min 100G Rilose
30G Whey Hydrolysate
10G Creatine
During 15-20G Casein Hydrolysate
+15min Whey Hydrolysate
+90min Solid Meal (~50grams protein, veggies, oils)
Can you please share with me your opinion regarding this setup?
Thank you for your time.
Coach,
This is my current pre and post workout nutrition. Definitely wanted to tweak it. Any help is appreciated:
-45 W - 2 scoops of Miscellar Casein/Whey protein mixed with Rolled Oats (about 30 grams P, and 35 Carbs)
-30 W - 3g Creatine Ethyl Esther, 5g of Glutamine
+15 W - 40g of whey protein isolate, 40 “quick carbs”, 5g glutamine, 5g creatine mono
+90 W - Whole food
Really looking for something during workout and anything good for energy prior to workout.
[quote]Core627 wrote:
Coach,
This is my current pre and post workout nutrition. Definitely wanted to tweak it. Any help is appreciated:
-45 W - 2 scoops of Miscellar Casein/Whey protein mixed with Rolled Oats (about 30 grams P, and 35 Carbs)
-30 W - 3g Creatine Ethyl Esther, 5g of Glutamine
+15 W - 40g of whey protein isolate, 40 “quick carbs”, 5g glutamine, 5g creatine mono
+90 W - Whole food
Really looking for something during workout and anything good for energy prior to workout.[/quote]
Ill say this so CT doesnt have to repeat himself again. Read the thread man. CT’s recommended protocol is stapled all over it.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
skohcl wrote:
I’m very interested in the MAG-10 Protein… CT said it will have other amino’s n stuff other than just CH, so it sounds very cool…
I wonder if we can bother him about the properties of the CH being used?
Though I’m sure Biotest will reveal all when the time is right… until then we must wait… and drink our pukey CH…
I can give you ONE piece of info, and it doesn’t even relate to the composition of the product.
IT TASTES AND LOOKS LIKE KOOL-AID. Seriously, you can’t even tell that there is some protein in there. It’s crystal clear and tastes better than any commercial high sugar juice I ever tasted.[/quote]
yummy, looks like a very anabolic welfare is coming.
[quote]Core627 wrote:
Coach,
This is my current pre and post workout nutrition. Definitely wanted to tweak it. Any help is appreciated:
-45 W - 2 scoops of Miscellar Casein/Whey protein mixed with Rolled Oats (about 30 grams P, and 35 Carbs)
-30 W - 3g Creatine Ethyl Esther, 5g of Glutamine
+15 W - 40g of whey protein isolate, 40 “quick carbs”, 5g glutamine, 5g creatine mono
+90 W - Whole food
Really looking for something during workout and anything good for energy prior to workout.[/quote]
This is pretty much the exact opposite of the protocol, no?
WTF is going on with all these radical peri-w/o formulas that look nothing like CT suggested protocol. They donâ??t even follow any logic that I can see. For those trying to save a buck,
Alpha GPC x2 caps
Workout Fuel 1.5 scoops
Surge Recovery 2 scoops
Workout Fuel 1.5 scoops
Hydrolyzed Protein x1 serving
Hydrolyzed Protein x2 serving
Total cost just over $350 for 30 workouts and you will have an extra tub of Surge recovery left over.
I am not saying that CT has the best protocol ever devised but it does seem to follow a logical approach based on scientific rational. I have just started trying it and if it works I will keep it, if not, then I will change it.
Based on all the posts he has made, it should not be very difficult for anyone to read through them and evaluate their current protocol based upon his reasoning. You do know your reasoning behind your supplementation right???
Yeah, this is insane. People, stop asking CT to recommend alternatives to the protocol. There are plenty of posts already that should give you enough information to “design” your own peri-nutrition protocol, if you’re really not willing to try the Biotest products.
CT is being generous with his time here, but he does work for Biotest and developed the protocol with their products. Don’t expect him to support your own customized protocols.
Just spend some money and try it for a few workouts. Heck, just order some FINiBARs, Surge WF and Surge Recovery.
I think it’s even been mentioned that at minimium you can get by with Surge WF and Surge Recovery. Just try it for a month. Biotest has assembled all the ingredients you need in a few products.
I’m currently on a near-zero carb diet and in a week plan to reintroduce carbs gradually, specifically into the peri-workout nutrition period (I’m around 10% BF and so don’t plan on ingesting carbs any other time in the day). Is there a particular sequence you’d recommend? For example, how about:
Weeks 1&2: Workout Fuel during workout
Weeks 3&4: WF during, FINiBAR 40min before workout
Weeks 5&6: FINiBAR and WF during, FINiBAR before
Weeks 7&8: Full Protocol
Thanks
Hey thibs,
I’ve ran out of FINiBARs!
Is activated barley a good source of carbs to have 45 mins prior to my workouts?
I was thinking of mixing this up with some whey and palatinose to make some ‘fini-cakes’ while I wait for my new order to come. Would this be a decent temporary substitute?
Cheers.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Hey thibs,
I’ve ran out of FINiBARs!
Is activated barley a good source of carbs to have 45 mins prior to my workouts?
I was thinking of mixing this up with some whey and palatinose to make some ‘fini-cakes’ while I wait for my new order to come. Would this be a decent temporary substitute?
Cheers.[/quote]
Better than nothing. But rice oligodextrin really is an important part of the protocol; its what they use to refeed the starving children to avoid stomach/digestive problems. It’s probably the easiest carb to absorb.