CT, with regard to peri workout nutrition, can you say there is anything WH can do that CH can’t do better?
I apologize I did not see a nutrition category.
Right now I am really mixed on Multivitiamin whether in a serparte capsule form or just one pill.
Is Superfood a better choice? Especially with the up and coming program having so much para workout nutrition I would think most importantly is get more bang for you buck. Is Superfood it??
Thanks
Hi CT,
What do you think of mass gainers??? I am a so called hard gainer ( i dont eat enough) and the idea of being able to add almost 1000 kalories to my diet with just a shake is pritty inviting. Is a mass gainer any good or am i better o d-ing on something like Complete Metabolic Drive. When would be the best time to have the mass gainer shake, morning???
Also, i orderd your High-Threshold Muscle Building book, cant wait till it gets here.
Thanks
[quote]saty83 wrote:
Hi Coach
If one was trying to maximise fat loss using the para workout protocol, am i correct in thinking you use the minimum i.e. One of each (Surge, Surge recovery etc) and staying low carb for the remainder of the day. Also after being on a normal mid to high carb diet would it be necessary to deplete glycogen levels so that when i do carb load with the protocol its more anabolic as you have stated before[/quote]
I don’t want to speak for CT but I don’t think that the peri workout protocol has been created for fat-loss…
CT,
I know this may be asking a lot, but could you provide your most up to date recommendations for protein, carbs and fat with relation to either fat loss or muscle gain (similar to the very detailed information you gave in your Refind Physique article) and how it would relate to the new peri-workout protocol your now recommending. I think it would be really helpful for everyone to have it in one post (or maybe even an article) so it can be easily referenced.
Thanks!
[quote]juverulez wrote:
saty83 wrote:
Hi Coach
If one was trying to maximise fat loss using the para workout protocol, am i correct in thinking you use the minimum i.e. One of each (Surge, Surge recovery etc) and staying low carb for the remainder of the day. Also after being on a normal mid to high carb diet would it be necessary to deplete glycogen levels so that when i do carb load with the protocol its more anabolic as you have stated before
I don’t want to speak for CT but I don’t think that the peri workout protocol has been created for fat-loss… [/quote]
Yeh exactly, I think CT has stated it somewhere in the thread that it was a “muscle growth” protocol, but then he also mentions how you could use the minimum of the protocol (1 of each) for fat loss purposes. I’m just curious and want some clarification on the matter.
CT,
Alpha-GPC is advertised to improve explosive force, however I am more interested in its cognitive effects. Does Alpha-GPC work effectively as a study aid?
Dan
Just an update for those debating jumping on board the new protocol. I have been using it for the past 4-5 weeks and have experienced amazing results. Not only have my lifts gone up, but i have gained almost 20lbs with minimal fat gain.
My protocol:
-60: Alpha GPC
-45: 2 FINiBARs
-30: 2 scoops SWF + creatine (5g)
-15: 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During Workout: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
+10: 2 scoops HWHY + creatine (5g)
+60: 2 scoops HWY + (5g Leucine)
+90: P+F Meal (250g ground beef)
Hi coach,
after spending the last night reading peri workout nutrition articles, I’m totally confused. As you said once, “you can only have one master”, so I won’t start questioning your protocol. However, it is a weightlifting protocol. Being an athlete, I take it very seriously for my weightlifting workouts. But what about my peri-specific sports training nutrition. I do wrestling so I guess that after 2 hours of training my glycogen stores are depleted. So when do I need to consume carbs. I’m on a very low carb (in fact no carbs except veggies) diet, except for peri workout. Should I have a post workout portion of carbohydrates, such as in a regular post workout shake? By the way, my goal is to gain mass while minimizing fat gain (I’m in the off season).
I would be very grateful if you could help me on that one, because I didn’t find anything about it in the forums nor in your books.
Thanks!
hey CT, got another question… on saturday, i do strongman event training at around 630am, so i wake at 5-530ish… then we train for about 4 hours, what kind of periworkout scheme would you suggest? and we work pretty much balls to the wall for the whole 4 hours
[quote]desenuts wrote:
hey CT, got another question… on saturday, i do strongman event training at around 630am, so i wake at 5-530ish… then we train for about 4 hours, what kind of periworkout scheme would you suggest? and we work pretty much balls to the wall for the whole 4 hours[/quote]
Right now, I would recommend 1 scoop of SURGE RECOVERY, or 1 FINIBAR, every 30 minutes
Hey coach, ok sorry no more questions about injury training, I understand because how can someone make training recommendations without understanding the situation first hand.
My question here involves the use of fenuplex and insulinomics with this protocol. You used to take Surge recovery post workout accompanied by 2 of poliquin’s insulin reduction products. How would you fit these 2 supplements into your new peri workout nutrition? Do you take after you finish working out or with the peri nutrition protocol preworkout?
Thank you for your time.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Hey coach, ok sorry no more questions about injury training, I understand because how can someone make training recommendations without understanding the situation first hand.
My question here involves the use of fenuplex and insulinomics with this protocol. You used to take Surge recovery post workout accompanied by 2 of poliquin’s insulin reduction products. How would you fit these 2 supplements into your new peri workout nutrition? Do you take after you finish working out or with the peri nutrition protocol preworkout?
Thank you for your time.[/quote]
I use ReceptorMax about 90 minutes prior to training. This product sensitize the insulin AND androgen receptors.
Hi coach,
in this post, in Questions about training, you wrote:
"desenuts wrote:
Hey CT
I’m an amateur strongman training for two upcoming contests, one of them being nationals. Right now, I’m sitting at about 275 probably around 18% bf… i was down to 250 a few months ago, but my strength was suffering a lot… what approach on diet would be best for me…
i don’t deal with carbs well, but its either eat them and keep throwing around the weight that i do or restrict them and lose strength, but i don’t want to gain any more around the waist, and hopefully shed some fat while increasing my strength… also, my training schedule looks like this
monday- deadlift and accessory lifts
wendesday-upper body and arm accessory work
thursday- squat day
saturday- event day
do you think thats too much? any info is greatly appreciated
Your schedule looks fine, nothing wrong with it. As for your diet, I’d recommend restricting carbs to the para-workout period, but ingesting a lot of them.
My best recommendation would be to use:
60 minutes prior: 1 cup of rice
45 minutes prior: 2 scoops of Surge Workout Fuel
15-20 minutes prior: 2 scoops of Surge Recovery
After half of the workout: 2 scoops of Sure Recovery
Post-workout: 5g L-Leucine and 2 scoops of whey
The rest of the day is no carbs (only meat, fish, chicken and veggies)
This should give you around 250g of carbs and a targeted insulin surge which will drastically enhance the training effect.
"
in this peri workout nutrition protocol, why isn’t CH used? Why isn’t he sipping it during the workout? I thought this was essential, since it was about “non insulenomic mediated” or something like that lol, these words are so tough to remember right after training…
Thanks.
[quote]gyakujujijime wrote:
Hi coach,
in this post, in Questions about training, you wrote:
"desenuts wrote:
Hey CT
I’m an amateur strongman training for two upcoming contests, one of them being nationals. Right now, I’m sitting at about 275 probably around 18% bf… i was down to 250 a few months ago, but my strength was suffering a lot… what approach on diet would be best for me…
i don’t deal with carbs well, but its either eat them and keep throwing around the weight that i do or restrict them and lose strength, but i don’t want to gain any more around the waist, and hopefully shed some fat while increasing my strength… also, my training schedule looks like this
monday- deadlift and accessory lifts
wendesday-upper body and arm accessory work
thursday- squat day
saturday- event day
do you think thats too much? any info is greatly appreciated
Your schedule looks fine, nothing wrong with it. As for your diet, I’d recommend restricting carbs to the para-workout period, but ingesting a lot of them.
My best recommendation would be to use:
60 minutes prior: 1 cup of rice
45 minutes prior: 2 scoops of Surge Workout Fuel
15-20 minutes prior: 2 scoops of Surge Recovery
After half of the workout: 2 scoops of Surge Recovery
Post-workout: 5g L-Leucine and 2 scoops of whey
The rest of the day is no carbs (only meat, fish, chicken and veggies)
This should give you around 250g of carbs and a targeted insulin surge which will drastically enhance the training effect.
"
in this peri workout nutrition protocol, why isn’t CH used? Why isn’t he sipping it during the workout? I thought this was essential, since it was about “non insulenomic mediated” or something like that lol, these words are so tough to remember right after training…
Thanks.[/quote]
MY GOD can you guys be annoying. YES CH should be used. But there is none on the market that fits my needs. However that will change VERY soon.
Okay, I just didn’t read that, since your protocol was always CH-dependant. If it is possible, could you explain what is the problem with the CH sold right now? Since I’m buying it, I’d like to know what is the problem with that (I bought Peptopro, and I guess that it’s the only model available).
Thanks.
[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
Just an update for those debating jumping on board the new protocol. I have been using it for the past 4-5 weeks and have experienced amazing results. Not only have my lifts gone up, but i have gained almost 20lbs with minimal fat gain.
My protocol:
-60: Alpha GPC
-45: 2 FINiBARs
-30: 2 scoops SWF + creatine (5g)
-15: 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During Workout: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
+10: 2 scoops HWHY + creatine (5g)
+60: 2 scoops HWY + (5g Leucine)
+90: P+F Meal (250g ground beef)[/quote]
I have been using a similar protocol (with Grow! instead of HWY) for just under a week and have already noticed great progress. weight is up about 4 lbs and my lifts have gone up about 10 lbs on bench press and 20 on front squat.
A note for those thinking of starting this who are not used to insulin spikes: start off with 1 scoop Surge recovery and work your way up. Also, use as little water as possible. I use 6 oz for SWoF and 8 oz for Surge Recovery.
Not sure if this should be asked in the fat loss thread, but here goes. When it comes to HOT-ROX timing, I believe you were saying something about how it is effective in raising catecholamine concentrations in the body which blunt insulin. This being said, should one refrain from using them around a workout, since it will blunt the insulin spike before the workout? Or am I just splitting hairs? 
The main reason I am asking is because I will be lifting in the mornings soon, and I didn’t know how HOT-ROX would work with the peri-workout protocol (or the protocol works in the morning period) since the directions say to take it 1st thing in the morning.
Thanks for your help!
I’m going to start doing cardio after my weightlifting workout what do you think is the best way to go about it, to take the shake (Surge) after lifting than jump on the treadmill and go for ~35 mins? Or wait till after lifting weights plus the additional 35 mins and than take the pwo Surge? The weight lifting sessions are pretty intense … Opinions?
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
I’m going to start doing cardio after my weightlifting workout what do you think is the best way to go about it, to take the shake (Surge) after lifting than jump on the treadmill and go for ~35 mins? Or wait till after lifting weights plus the additional 35 mins and than take the pwo Surge? The weight lifting sessions are pretty intense … Opinions?
[/quote]
Read my posts about my peri-workout protocol. You’ll see that the shakes are taken prior and during the workout, not after.