Questions About Fat Loss

[quote]Smooth_Serb wrote:
Christian, I’m wrapping up 12 weeks of the get Jacked program. I followed it to the tee and have seen awesome results. My question is this: I want to lose an additional couple percent bodyfat (now at around 10%), I’ve been cutting for over a year (went from 210 to 162) and I want to know what I should do after the get jacked program.

I know I should take time off before attempting more fat loss, but how long and what should my eating be like? I’ve been cutting for so long- should I have a maintainence period and what should my macros be? Thank you so much, I appreciate everything.[/quote]

I would recommend 2 weeks of ''normal bodybuilding (now that’s an oxymoron!)" eating with minimal energy systems work.

Roughly the diet should include:

1.25g of protein per pound
60-90g of fat per day
200-300g of carbs per day, half of it para-workout.

I’d train using an upper body/lower body split… heavy lifting methods on one day and a mix of volume and explosive lifting on the other.

Then you can start a new cutting cycle.

[quote]ALKoHoLiK wrote:
Coach Thibs,

I’ve read from Shugart that you’ve done the V-Diet, twice if I’m not mistaken. Tho I can’t find your response while on it could you tell me how it went for you, what did you loose, did you do the diet/weight training part verbatim?

I appreciate it as I’m about to do it (stuff comes in on Wednesday) and I guess hear your experience on it

Thank you
-Rob[/quote]

The first time I actually did it before it was invented! I was a poor college student who was lucky enough to get gig with Biotest and who would get supplements for free. So for almost 5 weeks I lived on Low-Carb GROW! (that’s what Metabolic Drive used to be called) and fish oil.

It wasn’t 100% accurate as I would get an occasional solid meal here and there (about twice a week) and I didn’t use the flaxseed, and my fiber intake was too low.

I still got good results.

The second time was about 6 weeks out from a bodybuilding contest, I did it to minimize waist size. Now, there is no evidence that a liquid-only diet will shrink the stomach… but honestly it made a difference.

Right now I’m training a bodybuilder for the provincial champs and the last 3 weeks of his prep are basically a modified V-Diet… he has one solid meal per day, at night while his 6 other meals are in liquid form.

So far so good.

I’m not supercrazy about this diet but it will work if you can follow its principles.

[quote]Eazy wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Germanbadenglish wrote:
HIIT vs. moderate - low intensity cardio

What do you think is better for a fat loss while maintaining muscles?
And when is the perfect time for you (training days, non-training days, in the morning, in the evening, 2 times a day …)?

As for the type, it depends on your diet. Low-intensity if you are low-carbing, HIIT if you are ingesting a moderate amount of carbs.

The perfect time is when you can do it! There isn’t a significant difference in effect, but I feel that in the morning or before bed are good times

Coach, would before bed have any negative impact on cortisol though? Or is this over analyzing?

[/quote]

HIIT is bad in the evening, a slow peaceful walk is great and will actually help lower cortisol.

[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
Coach,

I take 30 g fish oil per day for a fat loss aid and want to add some CLA in there too. how many grams of CLA per day is optimal?

200lbs 10% bf[/quote]

3-5g

[quote]singram wrote:
HBSBound wrote:
singram wrote:
Hey Coach,
I just bought your “Get Jacked Fast” e-book and had a question about the para and post training supps.Knowing what you learned since writing the book about para and post training nutrition,do you still make the same recommendations?Like the BCAA’s para with Surge WF,I heard that BCAA’s can interfere with Surge WF absorbtion.Also about adding FINiBAR or Alpha-GPC in the more anabolic weeks of it.I know you might not wanna post it here if its changed since its not a free book,but feel free to PM me.Looks brutal,can’t wait to start it.
Thanks,
Sean
EDIT
I want to make it clear that I’m in no way questioning your knowledge or program,and I’m gonna take a no bullshit soldier mentality in following it,just the recent posts you have written that BCAA’s role in workout nutrition is outdated after your recent discoveries.

I think there is a good number of us that is interested in an answer to this questions. Not sure where to turn for updates to “Get Jacked Fast.” An update to the supplements protocol in the book would be a great resource for those of us who purchased the book and are currently doing the program.

I know,I’ve done a search on it,and a few folks have asked this question,but Coach Thibs hasn’t answered it yet.I’m just curious,I mean the program looks awesome(and I’m sure this is what Bartl used for his transformation,so I know its effectivenes) and I’m quite sure the supplementation is right on,but the recent statement that BCAA’s are no longer needed prior or during workouts is what I would like an answer on.
[/quote]

The BCAAs are not needed when using my new protocol which is based on SURGE WORKOUT FUEL, SURGE RECOVERY AND ANACONDA.

Why?

  1. Surge workout fuel has tons of leucine in it. Leucine is the individual BCAA that has the greater impact on anabolism.
  2. Surge recovery already provides 13g of BCAAs per 2 scoops (we use up to 3 scoops with the protocol)
  3. Anaconda is a protein that is actually absorbed faster than the BCAAs.

[quote]DH wrote:
Hey Cousin_Barry,

If you think about what is happening with pulsing you will see how no matter what your goal, it is the most effective way to eat. Anabolism doesn’t necessarily just mean “gaining muscle”. It can practically speaking, mean maintaining muscle while you lose bodyfat since your body is “anabolic” with respect to muscle tissue and “catabolic” with respect to fat.

Pulsing, while keepin calories controlled with your solid meals is THE best way to lean out without losing mass (and maybe gaining a little).

DH[/quote]

Exactly right. Pulsing favors ‘protein storage’ (as muscle tissue).

If protein storage > protein breakdown you add more muscle

Cutting calories naturally increases protein breakdown, so you need to really maximize protein storage to avoid losing muscle.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
singram wrote:
HBSBound wrote:
singram wrote:
Hey Coach,
I just bought your “Get Jacked Fast” e-book and had a question about the para and post training supps.Knowing what you learned since writing the book about para and post training nutrition,do you still make the same recommendations?Like the BCAA’s para with Surge WF,I heard that BCAA’s can interfere with Surge WF absorbtion.Also about adding FINiBAR or Alpha-GPC in the more anabolic weeks of it.I know you might not wanna post it here if its changed since its not a free book,but feel free to PM me.Looks brutal,can’t wait to start it.
Thanks,
Sean
EDIT
I want to make it clear that I’m in no way questioning your knowledge or program,and I’m gonna take a no bullshit soldier mentality in following it,just the recent posts you have written that BCAA’s role in workout nutrition is outdated after your recent discoveries.

I think there is a good number of us that is interested in an answer to this questions. Not sure where to turn for updates to “Get Jacked Fast.” An update to the supplements protocol in the book would be a great resource for those of us who purchased the book and are currently doing the program.

I know,I’ve done a search on it,and a few folks have asked this question,but Coach Thibs hasn’t answered it yet.I’m just curious,I mean the program looks awesome(and I’m sure this is what Bartl used for his transformation,so I know its effectivenes) and I’m quite sure the supplementation is right on,but the recent statement that BCAA’s are no longer needed prior or during workouts is what I would like an answer on.

The BCAAs are not needed when using my new protocol which is based on SURGE WORKOUT FUEL, SURGE RECOVERY AND ANACONDA.

Why?

  1. Surge workout fuel has tons of leucine in it. Leucine is the individual BCAA that has the greater impact on anabolism.
  2. Surge recovery already provides 13g of BCAAs per 2 scoops (we use up to 3 scoops with the protocol)
  3. Anaconda is a protein that is actually absorbed faster than the BCAAs.
    [/quote]

Hmmm,so Anaconda is effective for weight loss also…brings back memories of when I lost alot of fat following your Beast Evolves program,but added 4-AD and actually gained a few pounds of muscle also.Thanks for the response coach!

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The first time I actually did it before it was invented! I was a poor college student who was lucky enough to get gig with Biotest and who would get supplements for free. So for almost 5 weeks I lived on low carb Grow! (that’s what Metabolic Drive used to be called) and fish oil.

It wasn’t 100% accurate as I would get an occasional solid meal here and there (about twice a week) and I didn’t use the flaxseed, and my fiber intake was too low.

I still got good results.

The second time was about 6 weeks out from a bodybuilding contest, I did it to minimize waist size. Now, there is no evidence that a liquid-only diet will shrink the stomach… but honestly it made a difference.

Right now I’m training a bodybuilder for the provincial champs and the last 3 weeks of his prep are basically a modified V-Diet… he has one solid meal per day, at night while his 6 other meals are in liquid form.

So far so good.

I’m not supercrazy about this diet but it will work if you can follow its principles.[/quote]

I appreciate the response thank you very much.

I need to loose about 15 pounds to put me into the single digits and I’ve heard all the hype about Biotest products and I figured this was a perfect oppertunity to “Kill two birds with one stone”

Once again, thank you for the time
-Rob

Thib.

I stopped eating clean, started working out less, and added more fish oil to my diet. I lost 20lbs and 8% bf. WTF?

Hey CT,

I find myself in a very tight spot, I’m at 201 looking to lose some weight before basic which is august 4th. The problem bieng I have very limited access to clean food and supps. I have maybe a week of low carb Metabolic Drive and a tub and a half of SWF left. I was wondering if theres any way to turn a temporary fat loss program out of such a shitty situation?

[quote]so_caught_up wrote:
Thib.

I stopped eating clean, started working out less, and added more fish oil to my diet. I lost 20lbs and 8% bf. WTF?[/quote]

  1. You were overtraining and your adrenals were shut. This greatly reduces your capacity to mobilize fat which is the first step in fat loss.

  2. When the adrenals are shut your body has a hard time producing catecholamines (which are partially responsible for mobilizing fat) and compensated by producing more cortisol which made it hard to gain muscle.

  3. It is possible that despite not eating as well, you are eating much less. If you were eating 4000 clean calories and dropped down to 2000 shitty ones you will lose weight.

  4. Metabolic shift: the body gets used to always receiving the same nutrients (quantity and type) and as a result fat loss stalls. Changing diet composition can have some drastic short term effects until the body gets used to it. For example, last year before my vacation I had been on a low carbs diet. My fat loss stalled after a while. When I went to vacation my diet was pretty much all carbs (fruits, pastries, bread, etc.) and I actually lost 5lbs of fat in 10 days. This effect rarely lasts more than 10-14 day though.

[quote]Spencerulz wrote:
Hey CT,

I find myself in a very tight spot, I’m at 201 looking to lose some weight before basic which is august 4th. The problem bieng I have very limited access to clean food and supps. I have maybe a week of low carb Metabolic Drive and a tub and a half of SWF left. I was wondering if theres any way to turn a temporary fat loss program out of such a shitty situation?[/quote]

What do you mean by limited amounts of clean food? Can you get steak, chicken, turkey, fish, veggies, eggs

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Spencerulz wrote:
Hey CT,

I find myself in a very tight spot, I’m at 201 looking to lose some weight before basic which is august 4th. The problem bieng I have very limited access to clean food and supps. I have maybe a week of low carb Metabolic Drive and a tub and a half of SWF left. I was wondering if theres any way to turn a temporary fat loss program out of such a shitty situation?

What do you mean by limited amounts of clean food? Can you get steak, chicken, turkey, fish, veggies, eggs[/quote]

Well I live with my dad till august, I can get steak on rare occasion, chicken veggies and eggs are usualy somewhere. sadly no fish, I can get lunch meat turkey not exactly “clean” but its better than nothing.

Coach Thib,
I have a few questions. I’ll try to give enough background information to help you answer if you can. I’d describe myself as an “FFB” in that over the course of the past year I lost about 80-90 lbs and began training regularly. I started somewhere up around 280 and dieted my way down to where I am now at ~190-195.

I’m not really ‘fat’ anymore but I’m not as lean as I’d like to eventually be of course. I have very subtle ab definition, in that I can sort of see the shape of the muscles, and where they are placed but they are not well defined, and sometimes near impossible to spot. I also have a few problem areas where fat seems to hold on.

I am a voracious reader and have a vast amount of knowledge obtained from reading, my practical knowledge is a lot thinner. When I dieted down I used a high protein/fat, super low carb (<50 carbs, from fruits and vegetables) approach which obviously was very effective. In the past 10-12 weeks I switched to a more loose carb cycling diet as I started lifting heavier and focusing on strength, hoping to build a little muscle.

I eat clean, and now have 1-2 small cheats per week (usually a cheat food rather than a full blown cheat meal, i.e. piece of pie last night for fathers day in addition to a full day of clean eating.) Carb cycling had me hitting numbers of about 0-50 carbs on off days, ~100 or so on some lifting days, and 1-2 ‘high days’ in the 100-200 range, including PWO (Surge) with all other carbs being clean.

I train 3-4 times a week, and get in some low intensity steady state cardio on my off days. (often a 3 mile walk outside, at a good pace)

Here’s my problem:
I’m starting to feel like I cannot really do low carb dieting anymore. It’s not a psychological issue. I’m not craving sugary or starchy foods. Rather the problem is that I end up feeling like I want to kill people by the end of a low carb day. I’m just miserable and completely lack any energy.

On top of this, my fat loss seems to have slowed down considerably (although I am still making SOME progress). I’m now working with a personal trainer who I hold in high regard. He pointed me to this site, introduced me to John Berardi’s 7 habits and has actually suggested I read a bunch of your stuff. Also CSCS certified.

This trainer believes that for me getting to the next step of leanness, a good idea would be to focus on strength and put on some more muscle in order to elevate metabolism/help burn the fat off etc. He also suggests I just focus on eating enough protein every day and eating clean, while ditching the carb cycling in favor of just eating good carbs in appropriate amounts every day. I’m curious what you think of this approach.

As someone who used to be obese, I’m slightly paranoid about putting weight back on, but I do want to progress.

Sorry for the novel, thanks for any help!

[quote]Spencerulz wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Spencerulz wrote:
Hey CT,

I find myself in a very tight spot, I’m at 201 looking to lose some weight before basic which is august 4th. The problem bieng I have very limited access to clean food and supps. I have maybe a week of low carb Metabolic Drive and a tub and a half of SWF left. I was wondering if theres any way to turn a temporary fat loss program out of such a shitty situation?

What do you mean by limited amounts of clean food? Can you get steak, chicken, turkey, fish, veggies, eggs

Well I live with my dad till august, I can get steak on rare occasion, chicken veggies and eggs are usualy somewhere. sadly no fish, I can get lunch meat turkey not exactly “clean” but its better than nothing. [/quote]

Then you’re good to go.

It’s easy… have three solid meals containing veggies and steak/chicken/turkey and two Metabolic Drive shakes per day. That’s it.

Hi coach,
Would your programm HSS-100 be good to finish a fat loss phase, right after a lactate programm? I am not talking about the specialization one this time. By the way, I’m carb-cycling and I intend to keep doing it till the end of the phase.

Hello CT,

I’m interested in getting a Biosignature analysis done as I have been having trouble losing weight from my love handles and back (above the hips). I have successfully lost weight from everywhere else but that area and from the reading that I’ve done it may help me to solve some background problems such as increased cortisol and insulin resistance that are holding me back.

Can you recommend an assessor in the Montreal, Quebec area?

Thanks!

[quote]Louchuck wrote:
Hello CT,

I’m interested in getting a Biosignature analysis done as I have been having trouble losing weight from my love handles and back (above the hips). I have successfully lost weight from everywhere else but that area and from the reading that I’ve done it may help me to solve some background problems such as increased cortisol and insulin resistance that are holding me back.

Can you recommend an assessor in the Montreal, Quebec area?

Thanks! [/quote]

Larry Vinette at the Pro Gm on Hochelaga, tell him I sent you.

Coach,

I’ve read just about every post in your new forum, but I thought best to ask you and maybe you’ll answer my question to help me and the other overweight guys out. I’m currently 5’10", 235lbs BF%? Pretty high though. Should I/we be doing protein pulses and if so how many/when? Also, what do you recommend for a para-workout protocol for overweight guys <20%? Lastly, how many grams of fish oil do you recommend for <20% BF guys per day? Thank you very much.

Thib, finished your Day 3 - Split pattern workout a few hours ago. After the 3rd circuit of 8 split power cleans in a row, I thought I was going to puke. Finished that one off with 7/5/3/7/5/3 Bi’s and Tri’s :). Thanks for a damn good program to shed some fat off me. Just wish I had more than one BB available so I didn’t have to rest changing the weight. ;/