Question of the Week

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Lift or die wrote:
This is a really long post so I don’t expect most of you to read this but if you did thank you for taking the time to read my perspective.

I am a little late to the party but I will throw my 20 year old Christian virgin perspective in for you on porn and waiting before marriage, Perhaps some of you guys will find it interesting seeing as I am probably in the minority being a christian 20 year old virgin male. I will also add that I am athlete, go to college and have had no shortage of opportunities for casual sex but have turned them down for the reasons below

On porn. Ya I watched porn throughout high school and the first year of college but this year I have abstained for the most part except for a (3 month period) but I am back to abstaining.

Why Abstain?
Reason 1
I felt like porn was draining me and for a temporary orgasm made me feel tired and negative.Instead of talking to a friend or reading a book, texting a girl I was watching porn, it literally offers nothing in the long-term and instead in engaging in activities that would actually benefit my life I would watch porn 1-3 times a week for about 15-30 min average. Now this may not seem like a long time but I hated that fact, that when I tired to stop I couldn’t. At least once a week I would need to watch and masturbate to porn. I was addicted

Reason 2
I never really felt better after I watched porn. When I was finished masturbating to it, often I would just feel tired and unmotivated to do anything. Take away all the other factors that sometimes played into my mind ,not having a girlfriend, porn being sinful, and I simply did not feel as good after watching porn as I did before. To those who watch porn and are reading this thread, try it out, watch porn, masturbate to it and after your orgasm fades ask yourself do I feel better? Has this experience helped me in any measurable way?

Reason 3
I have always been very purpose driven even as a young child so my last point is, could I be doing something that would add more value to my life then watching porn. Could I be outside at the lake, hiking in the forest, snowboarding, doing yoga, listening to music, writing, hanging out with friends, hanging out with a girl(s). Could I be doing things that would provide more relaxation more enjoyment then porn?The answer to me is yes, all these things I do enjoy much more then porn. I would prefer to plan for this activities and spend my energy doing these things, because they give energy back to me through engagement, mastery, and relationship building, not a simple rush that has me feeling worse after the high is over. To me watching porn is not much different then shooting up, the first time is always the best, you need more to get the same effect, you gradually become more and more dependent, and last but not least it adds no long-term value to your life

These are just my three strongest reasons, I have more (feel free to PM me). To further elaborate on my last point and how it ties into my view until waiting until marriage. To quote Greg Plitt When every action has a purpose, every action has a result. I have always been against causal sex because in my mind their is not a strong purpose for it. Casual sex in my mind is nothing more then some short-term pleasure and then that is it, and the consequences of it can been quite great, pregnancy, STD, broken girls. To me it is wasted time and effort into something that doesn’t help me in the long-term. I look at the people around me who engage in A LOT of casual sex and I really do not see them benefiting a lot or leading very successful life’s. This brings me to the benefit of waiting until marriage. I would rather sex not be the key point in my relationships with the opposite sex. I actually want to like the person and respect them before I have sex with them. Basically I want sex to be the reward of at the end of truly getting to know someone. I want my relationship with the woman I decide to marry be more about who we are physically but be about who we are emotionally, mentally, and spiritually as well . That way when temptations arise and troubles occur in the relationship there is a foundation of more then just sex to hold it together. I know this doesn’t guarantee success but I feel as if It gives me the best chance at a successful marriage, a good family, and happiness in life in the long-term.

My philosophy is to make a series of decisions that will give us the best opportunity at happiness in the long run. I have experienced the effect of making decisions that benefit me in the long run and it has the gradual effect of enhancing my day to day life . To me it is investing in my future but instead of money it is good habits, and good decisions.

I want the foundation of my life to be discipline. In this development of discipline I want to build the willpower to delay short-term gratification for long-term gratification. Even the things that I do for enjoyment I want to build me up so that everyday I can say to myself I got better. Porn, and casual sex in my mind have no place in the schema

If you have taken time to read this monologue first of all congrats, good work. Secondly, thank you for taking the time to read my perspective. Thirdly I hope you were able to take away something useful.[/quote]

I gotta ask how much porn were you watching that it interfered with going to a lake, a hike, ect? (Reffering to your reason 3) You didn’t just watch a bit night to wind down since it made you relaxed? Just curious[/quote]

No it wasn’t that much it was more just to wind down to relax. What I am saying is I could be relaxing doing activities such as going to lake and hike and the wouldn’t make me feel tired and lethargic. Lake and Hiking=healthy relaxation activities porn=unhealthy relaxation (drains my energy). I want engage in the higher valuer activities (Lake,Hiking) that give me the maximum benefit for my time and get rid of the lower value activities (Porn).

[quote]Lift or die wrote:
To those who watch porn and are reading this thread, try it out, watch porn, masturbate to it and after your orgasm fades ask yourself do I feel better? Has this experience helped me in any measurable way?
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Yes, I absolutely feel better, and in a way that no hike to a lake ever could. Unless I was going to jerk off during the hike.

And it’s helped me by causing my near ever-present horniness to recede long enough for me to actually get something accomplished. Like mow the lawn, or do my taxes, or hang a ceiling fan. And then, then the cycle starts over again.

Anyways, excuse my pithy reply; I read your entire post and appreciate the amount of thought you put into it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question…why do we fall to sleep right after?

I mean…my phone is wide open for attack.[/quote]

There is probably some deep anthropological explanation but I like mine better-

So that they have some time to do my laundry.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
The name of that Chris Rock documentry is “Good hair” its f’ing funny its on netflix instaview for those with NF… Get some culture in your life:) Whats more amazing to me X is black women not only spend 100’s on hair before the light bill, but they often only have 1 or 2 women they trust to do their hair. You would think they were seeing a brain surgeon. I’ve seen my wife wait 4-6hrs so her stylist can do her hair. Also if a stylist moves a blackwomen will drive all the way 1hr across town to get her hair did.

For me the worst is the wrap… For any of you guys dating women of color dont let your woman come to bed with her hair wrapped up or you will be dommed to a life of mummy head. It starts out with dont touch and ends up mummy head 4 life. You may get to see her hair on bdays & anniverserys but thats it.[/quote]

The truth is, no matter the color, women is crazy.

I have seen a closet filled to the ceiling with shoes and a woman stand there and claim she had nothing to wear.

I am perplexed and confused.

Tip to all women on the planet: No guy really cares what is on your feet unless
a) your feet look hideous and we can see that due to your TOELESS HEELS
b) the shoes are so ridiculous looking the giant flower petal on your big toe and the gold link chain make us actually notice your feet.
c) he’s gay[/quote]

Haha for me the worst is when they put a dress on that they wore a couple weeks to a month ago, it looks identical but all of the sudden to her this dress is horrible looking and she doesn’t even want to go out any more. The shoes thing is annoying as well.

And as far as being perplexed and confused, at some point I think they are doing this to us on purpose.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I never got this “Orgasms basically ruin my day” deal. You fellers must be doing something different than me. I even set PR’s in the Zercher Squat and deadlift within an hour or so of one, a significant one if I do say so myself, last year.

Maybe some of you eat large pasta meals and drink pitchers of beer right before boinking or jerking? Is that it?

I’m starting to think ample supplies of testosterone courseth not through the veins of many here on Testosterone Nation.[/quote]

Honestly, I think i is purely a mental thing because many guys have heard that this is what is supposed to happen…like back in the day when boxers wouldn’t have sex before a fight for a week so it wouldn’t “weaken their legs”.

We have been also told basically that this is a “naughty” thing to do so I think many guys grow up with “guilty” feelings…especially those from strict Christian households where they are basically told that this is a “sin”.

I feel just fine after…if not more focused and relaxed.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

He has made me new Doc.[/quote]

That is all well and good…but it does tend to lead one to question why so many Christians failed at waiting…yet seem to have such strong conviction against everyone else not waiting.

It just comes across as a little self righteous without the basis for it…no?

I don’t doubt your loved one is precious to you. I think any man who can find a true “soul mate” is given a gift he should cherish.

However, I asked because your previous posts came across as damning something that seems to be the basis for why many of us are here in the first place.

Real talk…if you didn’t wait…and your pastor didn’t wait…and your parents didn’t wait…and that guy down the street didn’t wait…and Oral Roberts didn’t wait…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

He has made me new Doc.[/quote]

That is all well and good…but it does tend to lead one to question why so many Christians failed at waiting…yet seem to have such strong conviction against everyone else not waiting.

It just comes across as a little self righteous without the basis for it…no?

I don’t doubt your loved one is precious to you. I think any man who can find a true “soul mate” is given a gift he should cherish.

However, I asked because your previous posts came across as damning something that seems to be the basis for why many of us are here in the first place.

Real talk…if you didn’t wait…and your pastor didn’t wait…and your parents didn’t wait…and that guy down the street didn’t wait…and Oral Roberts didn’t wait…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?
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Population control

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Real talk…if you didn’t wait…and your pastor didn’t wait…and your parents didn’t wait…and that guy down the street didn’t wait…and Oral Roberts didn’t wait…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?
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Maybe it’s along the lines of “do as I say not as I do” so that you can “save” them before they have to make amends.

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Real talk…if you didn’t wait…and your pastor didn’t wait…and your parents didn’t wait…and that guy down the street didn’t wait…and Oral Roberts didn’t wait…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?
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Maybe it’s along the lines of “do as I say not as I do” so that you can “save” them before they have to make amends. [/quote]

That would seem to put a lot of guilt on someone when the truth is, it is a natural bodily function.

Question…if you use a condom…have you truly broken that rule?

What if you cover yourself in latex-free stretchable polymerase?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Real talk…if you didn’t wait…and your pastor didn’t wait…and your parents didn’t wait…and that guy down the street didn’t wait…and Oral Roberts didn’t wait…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?
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Maybe it’s along the lines of “do as I say not as I do” so that you can “save” them before they have to make amends. [/quote]

That would seem to put a lot of guilt on someone when the truth is, it is a natural bodily function.

Question…if you use a condom…have you truly broken that rule?

What if you cover yourself in latex-free stretchable polymerase?[/quote]

I’ll bring it one further: in the movie “Demolition Man” all sex is performed via virtual reality bringing both participants to orgasm. Is this pre-marital?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
PORN:

Why do some people act like it is a bad thing?[/quote]

Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]

Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.

I asked what if used as a teaching tool?

This is still simple objectification?

…also, that quote “You must remember to love people and use things, not love things and use people” doesn’t exclude porn.

I can love my girl and “use” a video tape…not love the video tape and use my girl.

The person doing the latter has an addiction problem.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]

Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.

I asked what if used as a teaching tool?

This is still simple objectification?[/quote]

Yes, they can and it is wrong to objectify a super model. The key word is “used” when you “use” a person you are objectifying them. You have to treat them as a person, not use them.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]

Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.

I asked what if used as a teaching tool?

This is still simple objectification?[/quote]

Yes, they can and it is wrong to objectify a super model. The key word is “used” when you “use” a person you are objectifying them. You have to treat them as a person, not use them.[/quote]

It’s a dvd.

DVD’s get used…not the porn star who is now sitting at home getting the checks in the mail.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]

Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.

I asked what if used as a teaching tool?

This is still simple objectification?[/quote]

Yes, they can and it is wrong to objectify a super model. The key word is “used” when you “use” a person you are objectifying them. You have to treat them as a person, not use them.[/quote]

It’s a dvd.

DVD’s get used…not the porn star who is now sitting at home getting the checks in the mail.[/quote]

What if she gets paid via direct deposit into her checking account?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]

Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.

I asked what if used as a teaching tool?

This is still simple objectification?[/quote]

Yes, they can and it is wrong to objectify a super model. The key word is “used” when you “use” a person you are objectifying them. You have to treat them as a person, not use them.[/quote]

I use my accountant for his tax knowledge. I really don’t think of him as a person at all, in fact I’ve only met him once about 13 years ago.

Have I sinned?

[quote]Professor X wrote:…why are we telling young people that they should feel guilty for something so few seem to be able to pull off?
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I’m telling everybody, young or not, to forsake their lives of self willed rebellion against their creator, trust Christ as their acceptance before God and their views on everything, with sex just being one area, will take care of themselves as they grow in the grace, knowledge and holiness of their Lord. You can go to hell abstinent or promiscuous.

You’re witnessing right now why I don’t bother with arguments other than God’s design. Nobody cares anyway. Might as well be faithful to His word. NOTHING, including sex, is primarily about whether it’s good for me or any other person. Male or female. It’s about what God commands for His own glory. Only those who have been raised in Christ will live for that reason alone. Not because they’re better than anybody else, but because HE is.

Satan will be more than happy to deceive somebody into thinking that abstinence makes them right with God. It’s a lie. Only the blood of Jesus can make someone right with God. The devil’s main concern is keeping you from that blood. Whoredom works very well for that, but moralistic self righteousness can be just as good. Like I told Squating_Bear one time. Satan will take you to church himself. Pick you up and drive. Teach you how to wave your hands and shout hallelujah. As long as he can keep you from surrendering your heart and will to the grace and mercy of God in Christ. There are tell tale signs when that has and is happening. He said so

Jesus didn’t come to clean up the world Doc. He came to save His people out of it. The world’s condemned already. He said that too. Sexual degeneracy is as I say just one symptom.

[quote]sodapop808 wrote:

Oh, Jesus. Please come back and take your sheep with you…[/quote]Forgetting the faulty assumed theology of this statement, I hope you come with us.

Oh, Jesus. Please come back and take your sheep with you…