Are the two prior posts some kind of anachronistic phenomenon or just editing?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
To those who watch porn and are reading this thread, try it out, watch porn, masturbate to it and after your orgasm fades ask yourself do I feel better? Has this experience helped me in any measurable way?
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Yes, I absolutely feel better, and in a way that no hike to a lake ever could. Unless I was going to jerk off during the hike.
And it’s helped me by causing my near ever-present horniness to recede long enough for me to actually get something accomplished. Like mow the lawn, or do my taxes, or hang a ceiling fan. And then, then the cycle starts over again.
Anyways, excuse my pithy reply; I read your entire post and appreciate the amount of thought you put into it.
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No problem its good to share perspectives. Have you ever heard of sexual transmutation? I find it interesting and I do notice that I am lot more productive when not masturbating and channeling that energy towards other things… so the fact that you need to masturbate first before being productive possibly means that you have troubling focusing your energy . I don’t think it has a lot of scientific backing it just something I believe but can’t prove (at least not at the moment).
As well I believe that quick dopamine rushes such as PMO (Porn Masturbation Orgasm) leads not just to rewiring of the brain towards more orientation towards porn then real women (which does have some evidence Yourbrainonporn.com) but also makes you more impulsive in general. Diminishing your ability to delay gratification in other areas of your life. that last part is just a thought though.
The sexual drive is probably the strongest drive in the human body if you can be the master of your own sexuality (avoiding things like porn casual sex which offer little long-term benefits) all other things become easier.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Are the two prior posts some kind of anachronistic phenomenon or just editing?
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Porn works in mysterious ways.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because it objectifies people. And, it is wrong to use people like things or objects.[/quote]
Being a super model can be said to do the same thing…and it is a little bit of a stretch to say a porn star is being used as an “object”. They really aren’t. They are being used as a imagination tool if anything. No one can be physically used through a video screen on a tape.
I asked what if used as a teaching tool?
This is still simple objectification?[/quote]
Yes, they can and it is wrong to objectify a super model. The key word is “used” when you “use” a person you are objectifying them. You have to treat them as a person, not use them.[/quote]
It’s a dvd.
DVD’s get used…not the porn star who is now sitting at home getting the checks in the mail.[/quote]
What if she gets paid via direct deposit into her checking account? [/quote]
Then she is getting PAIIIIID…not “used”.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m telling everybody, young or not, to forsake their lives of self willed rebellion against their creator, trust Christ as their acceptance before God and their views on everything, with sex just being one area, will take care of themselves as they grow in the grace, knowledge and holiness of their Lord. You can go to hell abstinent or promiscuous.
You’re witnessing right now why I don’t bother with arguments other than God’s design. Nobody cares anyway. Might as well be faithful to His word. NOTHING, including sex, is primarily about whether it’s good for me or any other person. Male or female. It’s about what God commands for His own glory. Only those who have been raised in Christ will live for that reason alone. Not because they’re better than anybody else, but because HE is.
Satan will be more than happy to deceive somebody into thinking that abstinence makes them right with God. It’s a lie. Only the blood of Jesus can make someone right with God. The devil’s main concern is keeping you from that blood. Whoredom works very well for that, but moralistic self righteousness can be just as good. Like I told Squating_Bear one time. Satan will take you to church himself. Pick you up and drive. Teach you how to wave your hands and shout hallelujah. As long as he can keep you from surrendering your heart and will to the grace and mercy of God in Christ. There are tell tale signs when that has and is happening. He said so
Jesus didn’t come to clean up the world Doc. He came to save His people out of it. The world’s condemned already. He said that too. Sexual degeneracy is as I say just one symptom.
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Uhm, none of this addressed what I wrote before.
No offense, but I know many “Christians” who did everything NON-Christian they possibly could in their youth…who then turn around and act like the most self righteous people on the planet after they claim they are saved and dispense nothing but judgment to everyone else when they get older.
It just seems odd and hypocritical that people who themselves never experienced what it was like to deny a biological urge like this in youth…who now think they can judge others for what they did themselves now that they are past their prime.
It is great that you now see yourself as living in His light…after all of those years in the dark…which means you got it all out of your system and then claimed “victory” after all the sinning.
Excuse me if I give more credit to the men who actually walked the walk.
You didn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m telling everybody, young or not, to forsake their lives of self willed rebellion against their creator, trust Christ as their acceptance before God and their views on everything, with sex just being one area, will take care of themselves as they grow in the grace, knowledge and holiness of their Lord. You can go to hell abstinent or promiscuous.
You’re witnessing right now why I don’t bother with arguments other than God’s design. Nobody cares anyway. Might as well be faithful to His word. NOTHING, including sex, is primarily about whether it’s good for me or any other person. Male or female. It’s about what God commands for His own glory. Only those who have been raised in Christ will live for that reason alone. Not because they’re better than anybody else, but because HE is.
Satan will be more than happy to deceive somebody into thinking that abstinence makes them right with God. It’s a lie. Only the blood of Jesus can make someone right with God. The devil’s main concern is keeping you from that blood. Whoredom works very well for that, but moralistic self righteousness can be just as good. Like I told Squating_Bear one time. Satan will take you to church himself. Pick you up and drive. Teach you how to wave your hands and shout hallelujah. As long as he can keep you from surrendering your heart and will to the grace and mercy of God in Christ. There are tell tale signs when that has and is happening. He said so
Jesus didn’t come to clean up the world Doc. He came to save His people out of it. The world’s condemned already. He said that too. Sexual degeneracy is as I say just one symptom.
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Uhm, none of this addressed what I wrote before.
No offense, but I know many “Christians” who did everything NON-Christian they possibly could in their youth…who then turn around and act like the most self righteous people on the planet after they claim they are saved and dispense nothing but judgment to everyone else when they get older.
It just seems odd and hypocritical that people who themselves never experienced what it was like to deny a biological urge like this in youth…who now think they can judge others for what they did themselves now that they are past their prime.
It is great that you now see yourself as living in His light…after all of those years in the dark…which means you got it all out of your system and then claimed “victory” after all the sinning.
Excuse me if I give more credit to the men who actually walked the walk.
You didn’t.[/quote]
What Christianity means to me
Hey X I do agree with your point about walking the walk as young man/woman and many Christians being hypocritical because they did the exact opposite in their youth (I am no angel) and Now they are telling you that you are sinful and appear to be trying to make themselves out to be better than you.
Many Christians I have met I actually get this vibe from them, its a fearful attitude. They basically only follow God because of the believed negative repercussions of failing to do so… going to hell.
But on the other hand you have Christians who live a life of love. They understand that the teachings of the Bible will help you lead a more satisfying life.
I used to be part of the negative repercussions group, constantly clenching my fists to avoid the repercussions of sinning but that has changed within the last year I realized that living a life of love in Christ is just so much better then what I was doing before.
I would relate it to my sport basketball and practising to get better, at first when I started practising I hated how hard it was to get better at shooting, conditioning, etc. But as I progressed, I noticed that when I practised hard and dedicated myself even though there wasn’t a immediate pay off I would have much better long term success. On the other hand when I decided to be lazy and go for short term gratification excessively girls, clothes,video games, instead of practising. I would often experience failure.
Believing in God to me has been like mastering basketball. At first it sucked it was awkward and kind of hurt but as I believed more and had faith it started to pay off I felt more confident, more alive, I had better self-control across my life, I become a better person and I was able tolLove what I did, the people around me, and life itself to a greater extent . But when I decided to stray and abandoning the principles of being a good Christian and give into worldly pleasures, I noticed an increase in my immediate pleasure but a gradually decrease in my daily happiness and an decrease of a sense of purpose in life
I am not trying to convert you or say how you live is wrong. What I am trying to do is to show you that Christianity is not about avoiding negative repercussions instead it is about living a life of love. Loving what you do, the people around you and life itself. Which is pretty awesome in itself.
*Many people already do this (you may already) without being “Christians” and they are some of the best people I know (my neighbor is like this). Do I think this people are going to hell no I do not, I think we will all be judged at the end of our lives for the good that we brought into the world but I believe that living with a belief in God makes living a life of Love much easier and more satisfying in the long run. It is just about getting rid of garbage (porn casual sex) so you can get to the truth.
This is why I am writing this post to hopefully give you a few positive things that Christianity has been for me and maybe for you… instead of being another “Doomsday Christian”.
For me, porn is a way to get quick and easy visual stimulation in order to masturbate. I consider, from my “I was baptized catholic and I hated it and dismissed it to make my way into science & psychology” point of view, that adult non pathologic masturbation acts like a security valve to evacuate libido pressure when it cannot be evacuated in any other ways or when pure sexual satisfaction is required. And there are many other ways, such as sublimation (thinking, creating), acting (building things, doing work), exercizing, etc…
Religion has been considered by many psychoanalysts as a mass neuropsychosis, in the way it fuels denial or repression. Repression of libido, inducing guilt, for instance, or denial of responsability. This is a theory among others, however if you can read it without judgement, it is an interesting reading grid.
I lived with a lot of pain the repression of my sexual drive when I was a teenager, repression by my family (sex is a huge taboo here) driven by religion. I had to do my sexual education myself and this turned quickly from the lingerie pages in advertisement to web-fueled porn. Porn & masturbation, together, were a huge escape to the guilt and to living a real sexuality / affection. I spent years from playboy to youporn and I feel that this is lost time, plain and simple.
However, I don’t have a “porn is bad” point of view. The key is in the usage, and in moderation. I think my sexuality would have been much less fun if I did not watch porn. I learnt to take & give pleasure and I’m pretty convinced of that. I am convinced of the virtues of sexual healing, I am convinced that a poor sex life, a repressed sex life leads either to mental illnesses or to raising strong defenses, such as denial in religion, repression in religion, or other kind of things. I am not blaming the religion itself. It has a very valuable philosophic & cultural value.
The unhealthy thing in porn is the compulsion, addiction it can create, and the fact that using only porn means you only masturbate, and that’s maybe (I don’t really know) not a healthy adult sexual sex life … Some theories used to say that it was the cause of neurasthenia, the modern “light depression + fatigue + anxiety”.
I strongly believe it can also influence sexual preferences, and make some people have trouble dealing with real life women or men.
I guess this is relevant to this tread. Not sure where else to post it.
I basically just found out, through a couple of conversations with some friends and coworkers that FB is being used as a catalyst to porn. From what I understand they’ll be looking at fb, see pictures of the female fb friends and if they’re hot enough use them as a stepping stone to watching porn.
Has anyone done this? Is this like the new normal?
In my own experiences I’ve seen some pics on FB and immediately gotten horny and have though damn I want to fuck her. But I’ve never been like, you know what…time to fap to this picture and a porn.
First, your entire post was very well thought out, however you seemed to misunderstand my point of view.
I was a preacher’s son. I have a whole lot of personal experience with this topic.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
What Christianity means to me
Hey X I do agree with your point about walking the walk as young man/woman and many Christians being hypocritical because they did the exact opposite in their youth (I am no angel) and Now they are telling you that you are sinful and appear to be trying to make themselves out to be better than you.
Many Christians I have met I actually get this vibe from them, its a fearful attitude. They basically only follow God because of the believed negative repercussions of failing to do so… going to hell.
But on the other hand you have Christians who live a life of love. They understand that the teachings of the Bible will help you lead a more satisfying life. [/quote]
That is my personal take on what I have read as well. Jesus himself was a rebel against the usual ways of thought. His message was understanding and love…and much of what I see in extremely religious people today is extreme hostility and or thoughts of superiority to certain people.
Everyone is driving to church in the nicest shiniest just waxed car, stepping out in their best clothes…all covering up more negativity than I have ever seen in an entire strip club on any single night.
It is the self righteousness that gets me.
It is why I am asking about what if porn is used as a teaching tool.
No one has responded to that…especially Tiribulus.
Take note…being a preacher’s kid means you usually turn out one of two extremes…the perfect angel…or the satan’s little soldier.
I like to think I found some ground between the poles.
RootX, Good post.
As far as this:
I think mass religion can lead to this…but blaming the concept of religion itself is simply wrong.
I think extreme religious people can easily fit a psychosis model. Religion itself is simply an ordered concept.
In 2013 its a retarded argument. If people want to watch porn and bust nuts so fucking what? Sometimes I dont feel like sweet talking my wife so bring on the porn and lube… I dont think Im gonna fry in hell if there even is one for that shit. Also porn is awsome for getting chicks to do new shit and same for dudes. Also porn and masterbation can be a infedelity deterant. I would imagine your wifes and girlfriends want to try something other than the missoinary position. Every now and then its cool to spit in her mouth or kick down the back door. As far as the objectify thing goes objectify my ass these people are getting paid big time. Not everyone was born to be a dr or scientist or some shit. Some women are born with nice tits & some dudes pack a footlong end of story. If porn bothers you dont watch it Welcome to America
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
In 2013 its a retarded argument. [/quote]
I wouldn’t say that because many people do seem to still see it as “dirty and wrong”.
I personally think this says more about our society here in America. We still tend to treat sex like it is “dirty and wrong”. As long as these subjects remain taboo, they will be sources of anxiety for people raised in strict households.
I think it is telling that the same people with the most staunch views against see it as “all bad” or “all good”…when nothing on this planet is that way.
I went in to this knowing that many people would not agree with my reasons for thinking porn is wrong. If you don’t believe in the Bible as the inspired word of God in its entirety then you definitely can make the case that porn isn’t wrong. However, based on what I believe it is wrong under all circumstances (even as a teaching tool) and it is a sin to watch it. The arguments for porn and premarital sex seem very similar to me and usually come down to how strict of a interpretation one has of the Bible, if they have one.
From a non-religious note, I don’t really believe that it is totally harmless to the mind either and that it is quite possible for someone to get addicted to the “high” one feels from masturbation to porn to the point of it effecting other area’s of their life. I think it has the potential to actually hamper ones performance in real sexual encounters as the vanilla sex that most of us have in real life is not as mentally stimulating as the more raunchy style one can find on a computer screen.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
However, based on what I believe it is wrong under all circumstances (even as a teaching tool) and it is a sin to watch it. [/quote]
Why?
The Bible doesn’t say "thou can not ever watch two other people have sex for lessons on positions.
King Solomon had 1,000 vaginas.
You think no watching was going on?
thats alot of vag hopefully he had insence
And because of Solomon’s sin God took his kingdom away. But he had already said he would not do it in his lifetime but in his sons. Also because David was favored in Gods eyes he allowed Solomon’s son to retain one tribe. Jeroboam became king of the other 10 tribes. Levites are excluding because they are priests and have no king but God.
Mark 7
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Also the practice of watching people have sex was considered in old testament times to be a part of Baal worship.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
thats alot of vag hopefully he had insence [/quote]
That made me lol
You are right about Solomon’s sin not being polygamy. It was idolatry that was brought about by his marrying foreign wives as well as by marrying an excessive amount of wives (Deut 17:17). It is the excess that is the issue, not the polygamy.
Also, monogamy is presented as the only way in the New Testament. Also in Matthew 19:8 Christ states that divorce was only allowed because of the hardness of the Israelites hearts. In the very next verse he states that if any man divorces his wife, for any reason but unfaithfulness, and takes a different wife, then he commits adultery. In verse 8 he also said that divorce, and as defined by the next verse, the marrying of another wife, was not the way in the beginning. God’s original plan was for monogamy. For whatever reason, that was one part of the plan that God altered to suit the people as time went on. He then brought it back to the original plan with the coming of Christ.
Has anyone saying porn doesn’t affect you psychologically and physically actually tried giving it up for a month?