Question For Bouncers

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
perseng wrote:
Yes, clubs make their money from alcohol and drugs. If I am wrong on that point, please correct me.

Alcohol, yes. Drugs. Show me the club that lists “drugs” in its menu. [/quote]

I was merely pointing out the fundamental essence of what one is defending as a bouncer.

You are now just nit picking and taking my remark out of the context of the previous post.

It’s called a logical “straw man”. You take an argument to its extreme, and then try to demolish it.

Now, here’s how I would continue debating in this style.

"Perhaps in the magical land where you come from, all club owners are wonderful upstanding citizens, who take fluffy bunnies to the hospital and cuddle them with sick kids. These fine citizens would never deal drugs, because they wouldnt want to hurt anyone or give the nice policemen any more worries than they already have."
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[quote]perseng wrote:
Professor X wrote:
perseng wrote:
Yes, clubs make their money from alcohol and drugs. If I am wrong on that point, please correct me.

Alcohol, yes. Drugs. Show me the club that lists “drugs” in its menu.

I was merely pointing out the fundamental essence of what one is defending as a bouncer.

You are now just nit picking and taking my remark out of the context of the previous post.

It’s called a logical “straw man”. You take an argument to its extreme, and then try to demolish it.

Now, here’s how I would continue debating in this style.

"Perhaps in the magical land where you come from, all club owners are wonderful upstanding citizens, who take fluffy bunnies to the hospital and cuddle them with sick kids. These fine citizens would never deal drugs, because they wouldnt want to hurt anyone or give the nice policemen any more worries than they already have."[/quote]

Nit picking? I didn’t take your argument out of context. You wrote that DRUGS are one of the things we are defending as bouncers. That is FALSE. How can you get mad at me because you wrote some bullshit? Strawman? YOU WROTE IT. Are you even old enough to get in a club? Now you are accusing all club owners of dealing drugs?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nit picking? I didn’t take your argument out of context. You wrote that DRUGS are one of the things we are defending as bouncers. That is FALSE. How can you get mad at me because you wrote some bullshit? Strawman? YOU WROTE IT. Are you even old enough to get in a club? Now you are accusing all club owners of dealing drugs?[/quote]

I’ll requote what I wrote in the post before you started on about something about me having no friends blah blah…

“You are defending alcohol sales (or maybe the drug sales in the case of rave style clubs, that the owners may often have an interest in).”

Never for a second did I suggest that every single club owner. I think in the next post, where i wrote “alcohol and drugs sales” I assumed that maybe you would have more than a goldfish memory or be able to realise what i was actually saying.

Ok. I’ll write my statement again…

“As a bouncer, at a fundamental level, you are defending the owner’s alcohol sales, and in some cases, their illegal drug sales. It is the money from this, that will pay your wages.”

Assume this scenario, which I am led to believe happens often: You are told to kick out drug dealers, and tell them not to ever come back to the club again. However, you also know that this guy who is good chums with the manager sometimes does what appears to be drug dealing. However, there is no way that you should kick this guy out.

So… what is the bouncer doing in this above (and commonplace) scenario. Defending drug sales for the club owner.

If you think that shit doesnt happen very frequently, then you must be extremely naive and stupid. Or maybe where you live its a little different.

As a bouncer, one often finds themselves (sometimes unwittingly) involved in the defense of the club owner’s shady activities. I’ve spoken to a number of bouncers and ex-bouncers on the issue, and for the most part, they say the industry stinks. Some of them care, some of them don’t.

That’s the point i was trying to make.

Or perhaps its just a Perth, Australia thing - biker and ‘mafia’ owned businesses run most of the clubs in the main district. It’s just a broadly known fact.

Perhaps where you come from things are different.

I dont often go out clubbing for this reason. I’ve got a girlfriend, and friends of my own (most of whom are non drinkers or light drinkers). I might go to concerts sometimes. I do like music and dancing.

Yes, it does irritate me how the industry operates. I dont want to give much money to it, I dont want to support alcohol or drugs in any way if I can help it. Those are just my values. Call it uptight or whatever you want to. But I think alcohol is shit, and I will tell the people around me my opinion if it comes up in conversation.

I also think gambling is shit. And casinos are going to be inherently seedy as a result. I think people should have the choice to do whatever the hell they want in terms of drinking, drugs, gambling, whatever. I just think its best that people dont.

If you dont like what I have to say about that, too fucking bad.

If I handed you an apple that is 90% rotten, what would you do with the apple? Thats my opinion on the whole club scene.

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[quote]perseng wrote:
If I handed you an apple that is 90% rotten, what would you do with the apple? [/quote]

The exact same thing I would do with the post you just wrote.

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I was waiting for the thread to get to this level…a picture can say a thousand words, or sometimes just two.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
perseng wrote:
If I handed you an apple that is 90% rotten, what would you do with the apple?

The exact same thing I would do with the post you just wrote.[/quote]

And for the record, I’d say it is more likely to be you who has no friends on the outside.

Your insults say more about you than anything else does.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
ScrappyAsHell wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ScrappyAsHell wrote:

I always wonder if anyone else has read his work.

I’ve read a couple of his books, and his stuff is very truthful, and it holds true on the street. They were the best books I’ve read that have a real life application.
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Hey FightinIrish26
Macyoungs books are very good, especially his Wolverine theory.
Fluffy

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[quote]perseng wrote:
Professor X wrote:
perseng wrote:
If I handed you an apple that is 90% rotten, what would you do with the apple?

The exact same thing I would do with the post you just wrote.

And for the record, I’d say it is more likely to be you who has no friends on the outside.

Your insults say more about you than anything else does.

[/quote]

LOL. You just accused most clubs as selling drugs on the side and most bouncers as low lifes for working there with less integrity for the effort. Please, stop with the accusations.

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My experience with bouncing in a hip hop club taught that conflict resolution is very important. If you can deal with a patron peacefully you should.

I was in my first drive by shooting because I worked with a guy who was very quick to kick ass. We busted up some guys who deserved it, but then they came back. If my partner had waited for backup so we could smother these guys I think we could have avoided a very scary reprisal.

So keep an eye on the kind of people you are working with, because a bully can get you into some real shit.

If you want to be able to go out in public afterwork don’t be a bully.

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[quote]ScrappyAsHell wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ScrappyAsHell wrote:

And the whole “Alpha Male” thing? Again, gimme a fuckin break. Im not “dogging you or flaming you” but please tell me you dont buy into the PUA bullshit. Save that shit for the high schoolers bud.

Methinks someone has lived on the right side of the tracks for too long.

You are either a fool for not believeing that some guys are just like this, or you just haven’t seen too much of the world.

There are certain guys who give off a very intimidating prescensce, no matter how big they are (Think a Joe Pesci type in Casino, or a Tony Soprano type). Its all a look in the eyes, and its just the demeanor.

Maybe you should meet more people before you go into bouncing, because if you can’t look at a guy and tell whether he’s going to cause trouble or not, then you are in the wrong line of business. You should be able to see just how far that guy would take it, just from looking at him.

Go work at Macy’s or something.

I’m not contesting the fact that certain people have “dominating” presences, or exude fear-inspiring demeanors.

What I find amusing is the term “alpha” male. Do you know where that term originated and the ONLY place it is used? In the PUA (pick up artist) scene - a subculture of people who exploit the money of hapless nerds that can’t score a lay if their life depended on it. The word “alpha” is used to denote a person capable of fucking a lot of chicks - like the Alpha Male in a pack of wolves.

A lot of technically “alpha” males, if you want to play semantics, are skinny frat kids that do everything but inspire respect. They are able to dominate and exploit social situations verbally, but thats as far as their domination goes.

Being “alpha” has nothing to do with possessing a large physical presence or being able to create respect. Thats why I laughed…cuz the guy that accused me of not being “alpha” used the term like it was fuckin scientific nomenclature when in reality it is a term that originated in dating-help cirles LMAO.

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I thought I’ve been pretty even with you; but its clear to me you’re a dick. I really think you should become involved in club security - that is my wish. I think you’re big enough and from your internet postings, you definitely appear tough and “scrappy” enough. Please find a job ASAP. If you’re ever in NJ/Philly area, let me know, and I can get you work up here - I’ll personally recommend you.

No one was trying to be “scientific” but I obviously hit a nerve.

Oh, and for your training, I’d recommend watching Roadhouse at least 10 times - the scenarios there are very realistic - you will constantly “outscrap” guys in your new profession and people will be constantly peppering you with the “but I thought you’d be bigger line” - in the end, although you lose the girl (because you actually aren’t bigger), you’ll cruise on your late model mercedes coupe from honky tonk redneck club to honky tonk redneck club as the “head cooler in charge” and you’ll get paid more money in a week than the other security guys make in six months.

Also, I’d highly recommend you watch HBO’s “behind the velvet rope” which follows a bunch of idiot wannabe tough buy bouncers in NY that talk about how “you’re in my hood” when you’re at the club; don’t worry, they really ARE tough and in real life, no one you gang up and beat down is going to come back and shoot you are beat you down when you’re alone - it doesn’t really happen. Besides, at your weight and “scrappiness”, you’ll have the advantage of being able to run fast - at least faster than your opponent and possibly faster than a speeding bullet if you’re lucky.

And lastly, I can’t help but to wonder how you know the alleged origins of the term Alpha Male as you have described it; did you buy the full course?

Anyway, the picture is becoming much clearer (who says you can’t know someone over the internet??); you’re not exactly “Dalton”…but perhaps “Walton”…like John Boy.

Good luck in security - perhaps you can throw away the how to pick up chick courses once you start working the door - cause then you’ll have all the money and girls you can handle!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:

I was about a buck eighty when I had my first job as a bouncer, at 18 or19 years old.

I personally have never seen someone that small working as a bouncer. I guess it all depends on where you live. In Texas, you would have been tested on a regular basis depending on the club.

Dalton gets it done at that size.

Funny enough, I never saw that movie. Then again, I never saw Dirty Dancing either. I guess I missed the whole Swayze revolution. I went from Red Dawn to Ghost and that was it.[/quote]

Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

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Does internet etiquette frown upon laughing at your own post? Cause I’m lmfao at my last one; I’ve got images of John Boy Walton and for some reason Chris Tucker in Friday…the dialogue goes something like this…

“Good nite John Boy” - assailant to undersized albeit “scrappy” doorman;

“You just got knocked the F out!” - Chris Tucker leaning over the now unconcious undersized albeit “scrappy” doorman while he steals his copy of “how to pick up chicks”…

Back at home…

“Good nite John Boy” - MaryEllen

“Goo nigh MurryElln” - Undersized yet “scrappy” doorman with marbles in his mouth because of his broken jaw saying good nite to “MaryEllen”.

Or…

Cut to scene 2; Our hero, rolled up copy of “how to pick up chicks” has the local “loose girl” cornered in a back room at the honky tonk bar he is now “head cooler in charge - or HCIC to you guys in the Biz”…her skirt now hiked up around her waist - our hero goes in for the kill - it’s dark so our lil girl feels the copy of “how to pick up chicks” in his pants and let’s out a suprised gasp - our hero Dalton, er, Walton, replies, “uh, don’t worry, I carry my medical records everywhere I go” (and given his “scrappiness”, his medical file has become quite thick) - relieved, our young lass allows our hero to “park his mercedes in her garage”…at which point our young lass replies…“I thought you’d be bigger”.

LMFAO

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

[/quote]

If you watch Batman Begins, I will watch Roadhouse.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:

I was about a buck eighty when I had my first job as a bouncer, at 18 or19 years old.

I personally have never seen someone that small working as a bouncer. I guess it all depends on where you live. In Texas, you would have been tested on a regular basis depending on the club.

Dalton gets it done at that size.

Funny enough, I never saw that movie. Then again, I never saw Dirty Dancing either. I guess I missed the whole Swayze revolution. I went from Red Dawn to Ghost and that was it.

Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

[/quote]

Bro, Sam Elliot was great in that part - he just ooozed that “i’d nail your old lady behind your back if I wasn’t your honorable friend” quality…lol - his standup game was old school too - he’d have one his last fight if his hair didn’t keep getting in the way.

Brings back memories though…seems like every Saturday night, we’d be minding our own business when some douche does a double flip off the pool table with his pool stick and starts beating all of us up. I hate it when that happens! lololololol.

Just like the time I caught the bartender stealing…and, when the local troublemaker ran over my car with his monster truck…or wait, was it his helicopter? no no, I meant private plane - he hit my mercedes with his private plane - and then I saved someone from a fire by yanking their throat from their neck and throwing them in the water…oh heck, I’m confused…but it really happened!

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[quote]mike08042 wrote:
Be careful, cuz there are crazy people everywhere. [/quote]

You got that right! When i worked in this one place I always brought a gym bag with me. If anyone asked I said I went to the gym before work and i had expensive running shoes, walkman etc in it so I didn’t like to leave it in my car. truth was i had this 2’ metal bar in it. So at the end of the night when I went back to my car at 2-3am I knew i was not alone in case i run into some idiot who got kicked out that night. Fortunately, i never had to use it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:

I was about a buck eighty when I had my first job as a bouncer, at 18 or19 years old.

I personally have never seen someone that small working as a bouncer. I guess it all depends on where you live. In Texas, you would have been tested on a regular basis depending on the club.

Dalton gets it done at that size.

Funny enough, I never saw that movie. Then again, I never saw Dirty Dancing either. I guess I missed the whole Swayze revolution. I went from Red Dawn to Ghost and that was it.

Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

Bro, Sam Elliot was great in that part - he just ooozed that “i’d nail your old lady behind your back if I wasn’t your honorable friend” quality…lol - his standup game was old school too - he’d have one his last fight if his hair didn’t keep getting in the way.

Brings back memories though…seems like every Saturday night, we’d be minding our own business when some douche does a double flip off the pool table with his pool stick and starts beating all of us up. I hate it when that happens! lololololol.

Just like the time I caught the bartender stealing…and, when the local troublemaker ran over my car with his monster truck…or wait, was it his helicopter? no no, I meant private plane - he hit my mercedes with his private plane - and then I saved someone from a fire by yanking their throat from their neck and throwing them in the water…oh heck, I’m confused…but it really happened!

[/quote]

Roadhouse was awesome. Definitly a great guy movie.

One thing I took away from that movie- no matter how big they are, a shot to knees brings’em down.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

If you watch Batman Begins, I will watch Roadhouse.[/quote]

Deal. I need to see Batman Begins. I am too cheap to buy it. I’ll pick up a copy when it goes on super sale or I’ll get it from the library when they get it.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:

I was about a buck eighty when I had my first job as a bouncer, at 18 or19 years old.

I personally have never seen someone that small working as a bouncer. I guess it all depends on where you live. In Texas, you would have been tested on a regular basis depending on the club.

Dalton gets it done at that size.

Funny enough, I never saw that movie. Then again, I never saw Dirty Dancing either. I guess I missed the whole Swayze revolution. I went from Red Dawn to Ghost and that was it.

Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

Bro, Sam Elliot was great in that part - he just ooozed that “i’d nail your old lady behind your back if I wasn’t your honorable friend” quality…lol - his standup game was old school too - he’d have one his last fight if his hair didn’t keep getting in the way.

Brings back memories though…seems like every Saturday night, we’d be minding our own business when some douche does a double flip off the pool table with his pool stick and starts beating all of us up. I hate it when that happens! lololololol.

Just like the time I caught the bartender stealing…and, when the local troublemaker ran over my car with his monster truck…or wait, was it his helicopter? no no, I meant private plane - he hit my mercedes with his private plane - and then I saved someone from a fire by yanking their throat from their neck and throwing them in the water…oh heck, I’m confused…but it really happened!

Roadhouse was awesome. Definitly a great guy movie.

One thing I took away from that movie- no matter how big they are, a shot to knees brings’em down.[/quote]

You’re all forgetting the best part…“You’re my regular Saturday night thing, baby”…“Yo Steve, you’re outta here”…“I’m on my break”…“Stay on it”

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[quote]johnny_law wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:

I was about a buck eighty when I had my first job as a bouncer, at 18 or19 years old.

I personally have never seen someone that small working as a bouncer. I guess it all depends on where you live. In Texas, you would have been tested on a regular basis depending on the club.

Dalton gets it done at that size.

Funny enough, I never saw that movie. Then again, I never saw Dirty Dancing either. I guess I missed the whole Swayze revolution. I went from Red Dawn to Ghost and that was it.

Roadhouse is on cable every five minutes. Until you see this movie you are not allowed to comment on any other movies.

As incredibly cheesy and corny it is it is actually enjoyable.

Swayze is obviously too much a pretty boy for the role but that just makes it all the more fun.

Sam Elliot is awesome as his old bouncer buddy.

This is a must see movie.

Bro, Sam Elliot was great in that part - he just ooozed that “i’d nail your old lady behind your back if I wasn’t your honorable friend” quality…lol - his standup game was old school too - he’d have one his last fight if his hair didn’t keep getting in the way.

Brings back memories though…seems like every Saturday night, we’d be minding our own business when some douche does a double flip off the pool table with his pool stick and starts beating all of us up. I hate it when that happens! lololololol.

Just like the time I caught the bartender stealing…and, when the local troublemaker ran over my car with his monster truck…or wait, was it his helicopter? no no, I meant private plane - he hit my mercedes with his private plane - and then I saved someone from a fire by yanking their throat from their neck and throwing them in the water…oh heck, I’m confused…but it really happened!

Roadhouse was awesome. Definitly a great guy movie.

One thing I took away from that movie- no matter how big they are, a shot to knees brings’em down.

You’re all forgetting the best part…“You’re my regular Saturday night thing, baby”…“Yo Steve, you’re outta here”…“I’m on my break”…“Stay on it”
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Hahahha.

The soundtrack was awesome too, with that blind guy playing all the old blues songs.

Plus that movie introduced me to the awesomeness that is Sam Elliot.

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Sam Elliot, now there’s a T-Man.