[quote]SEV1800 wrote:
i think a good supplement would help a little…weight wise which i need
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Milk. Plus, your parents will buy it for you.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Not you again. You were proven wrong in this thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1322856&pageNo=0#1323843[/quote]
Sorry, explain to me how I was proven wrong! In the above mentioned link I said “Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself”! and Lonnie123 copied and pasted a personal opinion article written by someone else on the internet.
If anything my point was made even clearer that many of you only believe what you read and have no brain of your own.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
And Kre-alkalyn? Seriously?
All one needs is creatine, fish oil, and protein. That’s it.[/quote]
Kre-alkalyn is creatine you imbecile. If you’re using any other form, you’re wasting your money…IMO.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Not you again. You were proven wrong in this thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1322856&pageNo=0#1323843
Sorry, explain to me how I was proven wrong! In the above mentioned link I said “Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself”! and Lonnie123 copied and pasted a personal opinion article written by someone else on the internet.
If anything my point was made even clearer that many of you only believe what you read and have no brain of your own.
eengrms76 wrote:
And Kre-alkalyn? Seriously?
All one needs is creatine, fish oil, and protein. That’s it.
Kre-alkalyn is creatine you imbecile. If you’re using any other form, you’re wasting your money…IMO.
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So…were you able to find an article by the scientific community that is not produced by a BSN affiliate?
haha take it easy…I know I’m not as knowledgeable on this sort of stuff as you all are…it was just a question
no need for all the sarcasm
also, what is this WSFSB…I’ve searched it on the site but don’t really understand what it is. I’ve came across trap/delt workouts but dont really understand what this means.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
Sorry, explain to me how I was proven wrong! In the above mentioned link I said “Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself”! and Lonnie123 copied and pasted a personal opinion article written by someone else on the internet.
If anything my point was made even clearer that many of you only believe what you read and have no brain of your own.[/quote]
Hardly.
Let me ask you a question- how are we supposed to use our own brain other than reading a study? Should we conduct our own little private studies? I mean we’re doing research to find information on the subject- you are just guessing. Who is really using their brain?
“Kre-alkalyn” is not creatine they way we think of it. It’s a crap product. Anyone who told you it was better than creatine monohydrate lied to you.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
“Kre-alkalyn” is not creatine they way we think of it. It’s a crap product. Anyone who told you it was better than creatine monohydrate lied to you.[/quote]
This again is my point. No one told me this product was good. I didn’t read a little ad at a bus terminal. I don’t wait for people to explain things to me. I research and I learn about things.
I have a very extensive knowledge about creatine. I understand many of the ways that it effects us. To my knowledge, based on the information that I have at this time, I feel that this is the best possible form of creatine on the market.
Again, I think you are an imbecile, because you are quick to point out which supplements are “crap” when clearly you don’t have any knowledge of them.
Oh, and what do you mean “it’s not creatine the way we think of it”? Just curious.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Let me ask you a question- how are we supposed to use our own brain other than reading a study? Should we conduct our own little private studies? I mean we’re doing research to find information on the subject- you are just guessing. Who is really using their brain?[/quote]
This one I wasn’t even going to respond to, but why not eh!
Reading a study doesn’t mean you’re using your brain. You don’t have to think very hard while you’re reading, and if that’s what you mean by “doing research to find information” than you need to “research” the definition.
…and what did you mean by “you are just guessing” exactly? I just don’t remember guessing about anything.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
“Kre-alkalyn” is not creatine they way we think of it. It’s a crap product. Anyone who told you it was better than creatine monohydrate lied to you.
This again is my point. No one told me this product was good. I didn’t read a little ad at a bus terminal. I don’t wait for people to explain things to me. I research and I learn about things.
I have a very extensive knowledge about creatine. I understand many of the ways that it effects us. To my knowledge, based on the information that I have at this time, I feel that this is the best possible form of creatine on the market.
Again, I think you are an imbecile, because you are quick to point out which supplements are “crap” when clearly you don’t have any knowledge of them.
Oh, and what do you mean “it’s not creatine the way we think of it”? Just curious.
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Are you saying we need to individually test every single product on the market in order to gain a working knowledge of which ones are cost effective?
Here’s a link to the Westside for Skinny Bastards program you were looking for. There is also a Part II version of this on the same site.
defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm
Also, you might want to up your protein. 150 grams for 153 lbs isnt all that much. Make sure your caloric intake is high enough so you are gaining weight.
[quote]Rotlex wrote:
Soccerstr078 wrote:
Just say NO! when it comes to NO supplements.
Until Biotest releases one and then suddenly, it will be the GREATEST THING EVER. I DO NOT mean to offend or put down Biotest with that statement. (I use\love a number of their supps, and think it’s great that they provide this site).
However, probably as I’m having a terrible day, I can’t stand the NO posts here anymore. I’m not saying NO is worth anything. Simply saying I can’t believe the number of sheep on this site that state there views simply because it is the “sites” view. Or again, the fact that the company that runs this site doesn’t create an NO product.
Sorry for the rant. 
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That’s not true of many of us. There are other supplements that Biotest doesn’t make that I think are efficacious. There’s a lot of data points on NO, and looking at all the information, I’ve determined it does little more than arginine which is minimally efficacious anyhow. But arginine is at least cheap.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
This again is my point. No one told me this product was good. I didn’t read a little ad at a bus terminal. I don’t wait for people to explain things to me. I research and I learn about things.
I have a very extensive knowledge about creatine. I understand many of the ways that it effects us. To my knowledge, based on the information that I have at this time, I feel that this is the best possible form of creatine on the market.[/quote]
Well then you are the “imbecile”. Who uses that word anyway? Isn’t it easier to just call someone a retard?
What exactly does Kre-alkalyn do for you that Creatine Monohydrate doesn’t? Seriously. Please point out a scientific study or give us your personal experience with it to justify your point. Just saying “take it” isn’t any better than us saying “don’t take it”.
How do you know I have no knowledge of it. I have taken Kre-alkalyn before and experienced 0 benefit from it. I use regular creatine monohydrate and notice a serious improvement.
When most people say “creatine” they mean the monohydrate stuff, not this weird freaky concoction that is supposedly a bajillion times better for no apparent reason.
How exactly do you do research then? I already said I’ve tried the products and they didn’t work (specifically the NO products from before), then I said I’ve read they suck too. What more research do I need to do?
Really? Take a look at what you wrote:
Sounds like guessing to me.
Quit being such a retard. If you like the products good for you. Provide us distinct proof they work instead of just saying you’re sick of people bashing them. I highly doubt you’ll find anything. You’re likely just to keep arguing out of internet pride, which is fine because you’ve already shown you have none.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Not you again. You were proven wrong in this thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1322856&pageNo=0#1323843
Sorry, explain to me how I was proven wrong! In the above mentioned link I said “Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself”! and Lonnie123 copied and pasted a personal opinion article written by someone else on the internet.
If anything my point was made even clearer that many of you only believe what you read and have no brain of your own.
eengrms76 wrote:
And Kre-alkalyn? Seriously?
All one needs is creatine, fish oil, and protein. That’s it.
Kre-alkalyn is creatine you imbecile. If you’re using any other form, you’re wasting your money…IMO.
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Ok. So in this extensive experience of yours with creatine, what makes kre-alkalyn different? And why is creatine monohydrate useless, when there have been a plethora of scientific studies that show that it is one of the few supplements we can ‘prove’ is useful? And more importantly, I’ve used it with good results.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
What exactly does Kre-alkalyn do for you that Creatine Monohydrate doesn’t? Seriously. Please point out a scientific study or give us your personal experience with it to justify your point. [/quote]
Again, you’re looking for the easy answer here. You want it to be explained to you, instead of learning about what creatine really is and why this form would be more useful…it’s also cheaper.
And don’t put words in my mouth. I never said that monohydrate is useless, but if you truly understand it you’ll realize that it’s not the magic powder you thought it was, and there are better products out there.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
NO supplements may work great, or may not work at all. They may be legit, they may be crap.
Sounds like guessing to me.[/quote]
It’s not guessing. I’m not trying to sell you on the idea that NO products work, or don’t work, or that creatine works, or doesn’t work. These products all have web sites. Read what they have to say, then do some research to find out more.
My point was that too many of you simply believe anything you read online. On this topic everyone kept referring to the same “study”.
Develop your own opinion. Stop relying on other people to do the work for you.
The more you know about vitamins, minerals, amino acids, protons, neutrons or whatever, the easier it’ll be to decipher which products are valid and which ones are not, without having to rely on someone else.
NOTE*
You can write anything you like from this point, because I won’t be responding. A discussion is one thing, but arguing with someone who isn’t very educated on the topics won’t get me anywhere.
You just keep referring to “studies” and other people’s opinions your whole life. I just hope you always have a computer near by.
[quote]GathCity wrote:
Again, you’re looking for the easy answer here. You want it to be explained to you, instead of learning about what creatine really is and why this form would be more useful…it’s also cheaper.[/quote]
So what you are saying is you don’t know. And it’s not cheaper.
I’ve yet to find anything better. Either has anyone else. You can’t even tell me why something else is better. Why would you post you can find something better when you can’t? Is that how you respond when someone calls you out? You lie and make shit up to try and sound smarter?
Didn’t you say earlier it isn’t good enough to read something on the internet- that we were supposed to use our brains? Why would you then recommend someone go read a website? I have read their websites and the science they try and use to back up their claims is junk. Simple as that. If you believe it, fine. You’re dumb, but fine.
[quote]My point was that too many of you simply believe anything you read online. On this topic everyone kept referring to the same “study”.
Develop your own opinion. Stop relying on other people to do the work for you.[/quote]
So far you have given me no indication you know more than anyone else. If anything - less.
Trust me. I know enough. You really do sound like an idiot GNC associate. This just proves that those guys who work there are fucking morons. Every single one of them I’ve come across.
[quote]You can write anything you like from this point, because I won’t be responding. A discussion is one thing, but arguing with someone who isn’t very educated on the topics won’t get me anywhere.
You just keep referring to “studies” and other people’s opinions your whole life. I just hope you always have a computer near by.[/quote]
Have you known me my “whole life”? What a retarded statement to make. So far you have given very little information to back up any of your claims. You say we need to think for ourselves, but it seems like you are thinking at all.
And the sure sign of a moron is backing out an an argument before making any valid points.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Rotlex wrote:
Soccerstr078 wrote:
Just say NO! when it comes to NO supplements.
Until Biotest releases one and then suddenly, it will be the GREATEST THING EVER. I DO NOT mean to offend or put down Biotest with that statement. (I use\love a number of their supps, and think it’s great that they provide this site).
However, probably as I’m having a terrible day, I can’t stand the NO posts here anymore. I’m not saying NO is worth anything. Simply saying I can’t believe the number of sheep on this site that state there views simply because it is the “sites” view. Or again, the fact that the company that runs this site doesn’t create an NO product.
Sorry for the rant.
That’s not true of many of us. There are other supplements that Biotest doesn’t make that I think are efficacious. There’s a lot of data points on NO, and looking at all the information, I’ve determined it does little more than arginine which is minimally efficacious anyhow. But arginine is at least cheap.[/quote]
I agree with you whole heartily. I’ve tried a few different products, don’t know what I really think of them, but do like the energy boost a few have given. As far as actual benefits? Who knows, but hell, sometimes even a placebo effect can be a good thing, hehe.
Just to reiterate, I am NOT knocking anyone or anything on this site. Just posted a view yesterday that happened to fit the mood I was in. (You think I’d be in a better one with the holidays and all upon us)! Probably something to do with lack of sleep and lack of carbs this week!
NO Xplode. Has creatine also as well as caffeine which is good for a workout.
I love how I asked a simple question and have gotten one answer…don’t worry I have my answer now.
I used creatine monohydrate before and it was one of the best supplements I have ever used. It made me gain a good amount of weight, around 7 pounds, and increased my strength. Just thought I would add that.
[quote]SEV1800 wrote:
I love how I asked a simple question and have gotten one answer…don’t worry I have my answer now.
I used creatine monohydrate before and it was one of the best supplements I have ever used. It made me gain a good amount of weight, around 7 pounds, and increased my strength. Just thought I would add that.[/quote]
Then why the hell did you ask if you already know?
You didn’t ask a simple question either. You asked one that normally generates a lot of debate on this forum. If you had done a search (like I suggested in my first post), you would have known that.
I didn’t already know…I did research after I asked my question and found the answer.