Hi, really hoping experienced users could spare a few minutes of your time to give me your opinion on the following.
My father has had a very difficult time in life over the last 10 years I will explain in full:
Around 2012 my father had a brain Aneurysm and had brain surgery to clip the aneurysm the surgery thank god was successful. He was prescribed Oxy Contin and several other opioid pain killers to cope with the pain, he ended up developing an addiction to these pain killers as only 1 year after he was diagnosed with Prostatitis meaning he was able to continue being prescribed the opioid pain killers making his addiction even more serious. he went through rehabilitation and was completely opiate free ever since.
He ended up having serious depression and Anxiety that has lasted up until now, he began body building starting very light and working his way up to more intense lifting but after a year of consistent eating well drinking well and lifting he made only very minimal gains. and it began to turn him off of lifting. about 3 months ago he began drinking and soon followed the cigarette smoking which he is now doing almost every day.
he is still going to the gym a couple times a week but you can see he has lost interest in it as he is not gaining anywhere near as much as his peers in the gym (most guys at our gym are running something without a doubt).
I think that if it were in your opinions safe for him to do a low dose of Testosterone Enanthate along with taking the correct ancillaries and a proper PCT protocol, I believe that he would after 8-9 years of misery and complications in life finally at long last have something positive to look forward to, a real purpose. this would guarantee he would no longer drink or smoke cigarettes and would adapt a more cleaner way of eating and leading a healthier lifestyle, many many thanks in advance for your time replying.
His stats are currently 76 Kilograms, 17% bf, 5,6" tall and currently 51 years of age.
If you’re father is in the US he can easily get on TRT (prescribed testosterone) from one of the thousands of anti-aging clinics. It’s not that expensive either. Doing a cycle is a big risk for him. Coming off can cause depression especially in those prone to it and with his history would be susceptible to relapse of the drugs that make him happy (oxy).
Everyones first advice should be to seek out blood work, then determine if he is a candidate for TrT. Especially in his case, any and all drugs should be administered and monitored through a Dr. He should seek out the help of an endocrinologist.
EDIT: He should also be checking with his Neurologists about effects of using Test also.
Thanks for the quick reply mate unfortunately we are not in the US, regardless he would never return to the oxy the only thing he could return to or continue to do would be smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol regularly which I believe are far more risky then a 12 week dose of 300mg of test e per week.
I’m sorry for your and your father’s troubles. That being said, get this idea out of your head. Your father needs to get himself healthy, and giving him steroids isn’t going to accomplish that.
This is ridiculous. On so many levels. Your father will get well when he gets help for his drinking, stops smoking, exercises regularly and eats with restraint. Not when you give him an arbitrary dose of testosterone. Have you even considered how the heart of a 51 year old drinker/smoker would react to AAS?
I could go on and on, but long story short - this is not how life works.
IF he does choose the route of using Test, it really should be at the amounts of an TrT patient. I was originally recommended 100mgs per week which brought my Test levels up to high 800’s.
Thanks for your concern, he is not an alcoholic by any means, he has some afternoons 4-5 beers and 10 cigarettes, some other days maybe 7-8 beers and 15 cigarettes. he smokes only when drinking and isn’t drinking every single day its more of a way to blow off steam and relax.
I personally used to take many different recreational drugs and binge drink a lot, deciding to do my first cycle gave me the motivation I needed to get my shit together and no longer take recreational drugs for the sake of the risk of already using aas as well as knowing if I do it correctly my results will be even better. im not sure if you have ever been in a similar situation.
being on cycle gives you the willpower to avoid taking rec’s or drinking/smoking. it certainly has for myself and several friends. but thanks for your concern.
EDIT: also the drinking/smoking began only 3-4 months ago when his year of time doing everything correctly in the gym led him to miniscule gains.
Really sorry barely gotten any sleep I forgot to include the most important thing of all. he had pain in his chest around 2-3 years ago and was told it was a spontaneous coronary artery dissection. a more advanced and experienced doctor disagreed with this diagnosis and said he believed it was a Coronary Spasm.
if he were to get his lifestyle 100% healthy, would it ever be possible for him to run a low dose test only cycle, or with his medical history would he never be able to run any test?
thanks again im sorry for forgetting to include the most important part I have had a lot going on and have had little to no sleep, many thanks in advance.
I was thinking exactly this lol. In my opinion (although 300mg is quite a low dose, still high enough to relate to what I’m about to say)
I believe anabolic steroid usage to be about on par with the harms associated with regular cigarette smoking in terms of cardiovascular mortality. Both accelerate the rate of atherosclerotic plaque build up, predispose one to arrhythmia over time and induce deleterious change in cardiac dimensions. Doing both on a daily basis merely compounds problems
The point is that he wouldn’t be doing both together. he would be only using low dose Test and never smoking?
my line of thought was:
Test only vs Cigarettes only = Test only being safer then smoking I calculate that based on the amount of death caused from Cigarettes and Alcohol vs the amount of deaths caused by low dose test usage. referencing the CDC’s list of death by substance.
A cycle is temporary. What does he do when he’s not on cycle? If he has low testosterone and is able to do TRT without it causing serious issues due to his lifestyle then that’s a totally different thing but we are talking about enough T to get his levels to the normal range. That’s not going to fix psychological depression. It sounds to me like you want him to use testosterone like he used oxycontin (to feel good). Like oxycontin you can’t run high levels forever and in both cases it’s textbook addictive behavior. Having had an opiate problem and been clean for 7 years I’m familiar with this style of thinking. There’s always justification for why you use.
Cigarettes induce dopaminergic dysregulation… not good for depression…
Sparking up fat darts isn’t a great way to go about treating depression… it’ll make things far worse, nicotine is a far more potent psychoactive drug than most give it credit to be
I consider cigarettes to be within the realm of hard drugs, similarly to alcohol, cocaine, opiates, methamphetamine etc
Sure, doesn’t wreck havok on ones life (ONLY because of high availability, if we stripped addicts people of an easy supply tobacco i hypothesize it’d be just as bad) but the abuse potential and potential for long term harm is preeeeety high
I disagree, I think smoking is way worse than AAS in every way, and that someone would be better off if they stopped drinking and smoking and just did a moderate cycle. What’s ridiculous here is that he’s basing his entire argument on the premise that his father is guaranteed to stop smoking if he starts AAS. It makes no sense. I just talked recently about how my dad smoked til he had a heart attack, quit for 20 years, smoked for 6 months and died. Nobody is guaranteed to quit. If you knock out that one assumption that he’s making, his entire argument falls down.
I think I have to counter… disagree. It’s dependant on dose/duration. We know (potentially) literature shows in terms of cardiovascular mortality/ lung health 1-5 cigarettes per day is roughly just as bad as 30 per day… however statistically speaking smoking takes roughly ten years of you’re life (largely genetically dependent). Depending on the cycle being run, id argue running compounds like
Tren
Winny
Sdrol etc
Will take more than a decade off you’re life long term if used repeatedly. My grandmother smoked for more than 40 years… she’s 95 now… that’s genetics. Whilst say 300mg test per se may not be as bad as punching durries (sorry, I just find the Australian slang funny), the heavier cycles many run i’d garner are on par, if not worse. However cigarette smokin IS associated with a higher burden of disease/symptomology. Many who die from AAS die suddenly without warning, with say cigarettes, the burden associated with rapidly deteriorating COPD is awful.
But yes, I don’t understand the logic of “he’s gonna drop the darts if he uses AAS”… I went to the Arnold classic last year, I saw quite a few guys smoking who were absolutely juiced to the gills… addictive behavior is VERY hard to put down once a habit is initiated
I gotta second this. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances. The stats on people stopping for good are ridiculously low.
He wouldn’t stop smoking, at least not without help (pharmaceutical for example). The number of beers is also way too high.
A cycle wouldn’t be good for him. TRT is the way to go but first he needs his labs. Then stop the unhealthy habits, get his life on track and then start a monitored TRT.
I believe the dependence potential relating to nicotine is up there statistically with cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates (barring perhaps oxycodone, heroin, morphine and hydrocodone)
What I find interesting is that supposedly codeine is “less addictive” than many stronger opiates, but it’s converted via cyp2d6 to morphine, so if you’re dumping morphine in you’re system wouldn’t it be as addictive as morphine?
I suppose it boils down to the rate of release, route of administration etc
More people smoke comparative to test use btw, so stats are probably skewed. Linearise the data in correlation to the population and how many use test vs durries and perhaps it’d tell a different story
first off thanks very much to everyone that spared a moment of their time replying I really appreciate it.
he has not been smoking for a very long time he is not heavily addicted as many of you think, he has basically been smoking and drinking EoD to try and relieve stress. I know personally that if he were to do a low dose test E cycle he would be doing only one cycle and he wouldn’t be smoking or drinking or my boot would meet his ass at high velocity.
I am also living with him and am his only source for anabolics he is also very cautious in regards to his health so I know he wouldn’t want to drink or smoke. (same thing happened to me)
he also never goes out so I always know what he is upto, and it wouldn’t matter because honestly he is very paranoid when it comes to his health.