Q&A with Shadow Pro

Pharma
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[quote]Cadebrigade wrote:
Thanks Shadow!

I will absolutely split up the GH shots. My only question about that is the timing in relation to food. I have been taking the bedtime shot because I know my stomach is empty and im not concerned about insulin affecting the GH. If Im going to split it up to morning and pre workout, how should i time that with my meals? Typically I wake up and Immediately have a 40 grams whey isolate and then eat breakfast an hour later and 90 minutes preworkout I typically eat a meal of protein and carbs. How can I manipulate this timing to best get the effects of the GH? Should I hold off on the whey isolate and move my preworkout meal further away from my workout?

Also, what is the maximum amount of weeks you would stay on Anavar/Winnie and would you use any PCT? I was thinking i’d be on for 8. In the past I haven’t but once I got pretty depressed post Anavar and got tested and my levels were shot. They have since returned to normal.

Last question ever, sir Shadow, God of Awesome, I promise! Milk Thistle: Relatively soon after my primo/ gh only cycle i went to go get my bloodwork and everything checked at my doctors… My liver enzymes came back slightly elevated and my cholesterol was out of wack. The cholesterol was very surprising because even tho I was eating a lot of food to get to 210, it was 90% clean. Im working on improving that. The liver enzymes had me concerned and I can only really attribute it to WAY to0 high protein (bulking on almost 400 grams a day) and / or previous damage from oral cycles? Anyway Iv added milk thistle to the routine to help buffer that. What dosage and what times should it be taken? My supplement guy said it should be taken at night before bed, but it occurs to me that perhaps that could also affect my GH supplementation. So i’ve been taking it with breakfast and dinner as normal.

Thank you![/quote]

You can do your GH on a semi-empty stomach with the same result… So 40-45 min before a meal or 2 hours after a meal. So, I’ll suggest do it immediately when you wake up and drink your shake 40-45min after (MAG-10 is better than way at this point) and then eat your regular breakfast 30 min after MAG-10 (1hr and 15min after you wake up) your second GH can be 40 min before your preworkout meal and 3rd time before bed.

6-8 weeks is a good time (8 weeks max.) the pct on these really depend on you personally, some need it more than others so to be safe you can take clomid 4 weeks @ 50mg after the cycle.

400g of protein won’t raise your liver enzymes. Previous damage from oral cycles can cause it but even a simple illness can raise your liver enzymes by 15%. You can take milk thistle, it’s not a problem… Take it with meals at any time during the day just at the recommended dose. This will not interfere with your GH. For liver health I would add a supplement called NAC and take it before bed, it will have positive effects on liver function.

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[quote]pedro1597 wrote:
Hello Shadow, regarding drug and diet, what do you do you think is the best way to get rid of stubborn fat, such as scapulae, lower back and lower abs?
I used to be at the 25% level, got it to 13% on an 9 site measurement but lower back fat still bothers, and i fell that the fat loss is stalled. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for no pics, after i got to 13% and i started a bulk, so i should be ate arround 15,16% right now. Im looking for advice for my next cut. Thank you![/quote]

Take supplements like indigo and HOT-ROX together, it will help you reduce your overall bodyfat percentage. Also, adding cardio is a good idea if your fat loss is stalling. You can’t target specific areas you just need to get to a general lower bodyfat, everybody holds fat in different places.

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[quote]Ranjanman wrote:
Hey how would your creatine cycle look like.
How much should i take on my bulk.

I’m planing to use mono or is there a better creatine [/quote]

Creatine Malate… follow recommendation on the bottle.

This is what I use
http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/creatine-malate

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[quote]Havoc. wrote:
Thanks for the reply

So by saying no drugs until my BF is lower…Does that count for AI and PCTs also? How does my ,macros look? and my meal timing? Im going to get an accurate Bf in a weeks time then ill be more sure of my Stats etc.[/quote]

Yes, it’s including pct and ai’s… No drugs period, until your bodyfat is lower…

There is almost 35 pages in the thread, I have no idea how your macros look? Where are they?

That’s always a good idea to get your accurate bf.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Ranjanman wrote:
Hey how would your creatine cycle look like.
How much should i take on my bulk.

I’m planing to use mono or is there a better creatine [/quote]

seriously? This guy is an Olympian level bodybuilder and you’re asking how much creatine you should be taking? You really think that’s a worthwhile question?

Really?

FUCKING REALLY?

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maybe you havent heard of the mad gainz you will get on that mono…yo
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Yogi… Please keep policing the forum, I am dieting now and need my sanity. You’re doing a great job.

Mattyxl, you should know that 8 weeks of Creatine will make your mister O… It’s the trick you’ve all been waiting for me to disclose.

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[quote]tofmik wrote:
Hi Shadow,

thx for great information.

I found here answer what to use when strength is the main thing. My question is. What is your opinion on post surgery cycle? I cant get GH. So I was thinking Test-e with anavar or something like that? After this when the strenth and power training will be on 100% what you suggest to use after the first cycle after the surgery?

My idea is post surgery cycle and getting ready then pct 1-2month off and then another main cycle for strength.

Thank you[/quote]

Unfortunately the best thing to take after surgery is GH. Anavar and test might help a bit with recovery but nothing major. If you can’t use GH, it’s possibly the best idea to let your body heal naturally without other drugs. Juice does interrupt the bodies natural systems. For recovery, it might be more efficient to let your body do it’s thing, GH doesn’t shut down any system and speeds recovery it’s the best option.

I would wait until you are fully recovered and back in the gym before starting a light cycle. Only do your heavy cycle when you are at 100% lifting capacity again.

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[quote]Ricardo Brentani wrote:
Hey shadow! I know this is a steroid forum, but id like to ask you about carbs… since day one in the gym (almost 7 years ago, when i was just 14) i have been taking a very simple homemade carb shake pre workout: 2 bananas and 1 large spoon of oat flour. To this day it gave me the energy to train hard for about one hour, all i ever needed. Intra workout drink has always been plain water. Than, immediately afterwards i would take my protein with waxy maize (dextrose made me fat) and bcaas.

But here is the question: what if i just stopped taking this homemade carb shake prior going to war and started to drink the wazy mazie during the workout, leaving just protein and bcaas as the post shake. I have been thinking about this for quite some time now, but for some reason have never actually tried it. Maybe this way i will have even more energy and get leaner at the same time (BF levels are about 12 percent now). Thanks a lot for helping me again![/quote]

Drop everything you’re doing and follow this protocol, you will see AMAZING PROGRESS.

30 min preworkout 2 servings of MAG-10
Intraworkout 2-3 servings of Plazma
30min post workout 2 servings of MAG-10

This will give you a lot better results and you gain muscle mass, lose fat and have faster recovery.

  • I’ve said it a thousand times and I’ll continue to say it over and over and over that there is no replacement for Plazma intraworkout. NOTHING COMES CLOSE. I feel like I’m repeating myself, if anyone has any intraworkout supplement questions or wants my opinion just expect to hear me talk about Plazma…

It’s all I use, and yes I’ve tried everything else. I have spent tons of money on intraworkout drinks that didn’t do shit for me. This is the ONLY supplement that works, there is no replacement or “cheap” homemade mixtures… If you have money to spend on food and drugs then surely you can afford Plazma, it should be part of your macros meaning it replaces 1-2 of your daily meals. (Not a direct shot at you Ricardo… Just a general statement)

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[quote]Fastback11 wrote:
Awesome thread, Shadow! I’ve read the whole thing.
To the people that want to post, you guys should read everything before posting! Many repeat questions and we want to keep shadow posting and not getting annoyed ! Lol

Ok, I’m 22, 215lbs, natural and been training for 4 years. I want to start using AAS once I burn some fat. I’m at about 15-16% now. (Just recovered from an injury, gained some fat :frowning:

My goal is to look like (Arnold, Sergio Olivia, Brian Buchanon) etc

I’ve stalled on fat loss I’m Intaking 2200 calories. NO CARDIO as of now just lifting heavy weighs and walking my Rottweilers 25-45 min everyday

I’m going to add 20 min cardio for now. (Stairmaster or elliptical)
Do I keep diet the same at 2200 cals? 230p 70f 180c

When I get to 10-12% bf I want to use AAS. I’ve done much research on exogenous hormones and know what I’m getting my self into. First cycle I’m thinking 250mg test 500npp and maybe an oral like dbol before my workout, or winstrol (strength and hopefully helps me with staying lean)

I will post some pics of myself. What do you think? Thank you so much in advance. [/quote]

Thank you for your post, you are definitely on the right track.

As for nutrition, this is what I would change.
-increase protein to 250-275g daily
-reduce fat to 40-50g daily
-On your off days, cut your carbs to about 100g/day
-100g of carbs intraworkout carbs from Plazma.
This will help you lose fat faster.

First cycle: general recommendation I wouldn’t want to use more than 2 compounds in the first cycle. If you want to stay lean and gain strength, NPP won’t be my first choice.

Here’s 2 options (both will work)
Option1:
Test-e @ 250-300mg/week
Winstrol oral or injectable 50mg everyday
HCG 250iu 2x/week
Nolvadex 10mg/day
*you will stay lean and gain decent strength from the winstrol
Option2:
Test-e @ 250-300mg/week
HCG 250iu 2x/week
Nolvadex 10mg/day
Eq @400mg/week
*this will give you more mass gains than option 1 but not as much strength, and also a bit more water retention.

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[quote]oneforme wrote:
Yeah? Did you read somewhere that Jesus was going to come down and light a bunch of bad people on fire too? [/quote]

This is an excellent first post… Now Jesus is being pulled into the steroid forum too.

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How exactly are these pros able to avoid acne? Surely they can’t all be immune to breaking out as a result of the gear that they’re on, regardless of the amounts…right? And I don’t think GH prevents one from breaking out.
I’m sure you see those guys up close and in person all the time, does their skin look as good as it seems or is it all bullshit? I already know if I decided to jump on a cycle I’d break out like a mofo.

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[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]Ranjanman wrote:
Hey how would your creatine cycle look like.
How much should i take on my bulk.

I’m planing to use mono or is there a better creatine [/quote]

Now im not shadow, but the answer is creatine malate and take it as per the instructions.

Now i dont know much ill admit but thats Kind of a surprising questions from a guy taking the amount of juice you are. Might just be me.[/quote]

BANG ON!

I actually just wrote the same answer, you are learning fast my friend.

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This is a really interesting thread! Thank you for your honesty and candor! Please excuse my ignorance since I don’t know much about the sport, but do you know the prevalence of steroid use in female competitors? I can’t imagine its not something that is strictly a one sided thing.

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[quote]Jormugandr wrote:

Hey Shadow, been following this thread since the beginning and really appreciate all the time and effort you are putting into this.

My stats: Age 24 Ht 5’9 170 lbs 16-18% bf estimated
Squat: 245 Bench: 210 Deadlift: 275
Will provide photo if needed.

I’m cutting right now, hoping to get down to about 10% bodyfat. About to purchase some Clen so that should help. I believe that will be somewhere around 160 which is really small. From there, I plan to bust my ass for about 9 months to a year building mass.

Question: Not looking to cycle for at least a year but when I do, I’m really hoping to do orals only. Now I know you’ve touched this topic before but I am wondering what oral(s) you would recommend from an athletic/strength perspective ( ie. Rugby, Jiu Jitsu, etc.). Ideally, this would be a strength cycle while still staying relatively lean and mobile with good muscle/lung conditioning.

If orals are not conducive to this goal, please let me know. I have read you recommend winstrol a lot but I get the impression the joint pain would be debilitating to sports.

Let me know if this isn’t enough info and again I really appreciate you taking the time. [/quote]

Thank you for posting… I can see you have been reading the thread and I appreciate that. You’ve given me good information but if you can post a picture that would be great and your diet, it will help me to give you better advise… Maybe I can even give you some advice in the meantime to lower your bodyfat before your cycle.

In general winstrol will cause joint sensitivity issues, but this isn’t the case for everyone so it might work for you. Since it’s your first cycle anavar might be a good choice as well but it’s very mild. There are other very strong orals like halotestin and they are great for strength but I would never use it in a first cycle, only once you have more experience but just so you know it’s there. Other orals like dbol and Anadrol will cause lots of water retention so it wouldn’t be my choice for you. A combo oral that will give you strength gains and mass gains (with a little water retention) is oral turinabol, it’s kind of like a weak version of dbol. These are your oral options. Even for first cycle I would have clomid on hand.

Orals can be beneficial for your goal, it’s not the BEST option but it will work to an extent. You can start with an oral cycle and then decide if you want to do an injectable cycle later on.

Post your pic and diet and I’ll take a look. Thanks again for all the info.

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[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
How exactly are these pros able to avoid acne? Surely they can’t all be immune to breaking out as a result of the gear that they’re on, regardless of the amounts…right? And I don’t think GH prevents one from breaking out.
I’m sure you see those guys up close and in person all the time, does their skin look as good as it seems or is it all bullshit? I already know if I decided to jump on a cycle I’d break out like a mofo. [/quote]

I don’t have any issues with my skin, this is very individual and we’ve went over it a few times already here. Not all of the pros have excellent skin and you would notice that if you are close to them. It’s a side effect from the drugs and it will effect some people much more than others.

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[quote]brute_fury wrote:
This is a really interesting thread! Thank you for your honesty and candor! Please excuse my ignorance since I don’t know much about the sport, but do you know the prevalence of steroid use in female competitors? I can’t imagine its not something that is strictly a one sided thing.[/quote]

Interesting question, I’m surprised that didn’t come up until now. Female bodybuilders are the exact same as us using everything under the sun. Women’s physique, most are using drugs but not to the same extent… Take into consideration a lot of them dropped down from women’s bodybuilding. Figure and fitness using low to moderate dosages… Mostly GH and anavar, some use primo, masteron, winstrol and Proviron in low doses as well as fat burners like t3 and Clen. Bikini, they don’t need to use anything but some of them use it anyways, mostly fat burners like Clen and t3 and some use anavar.

Unfortunately many of these girls abuse drugs and some worse than guys. The sad thing is that it’s not a level playing field and the side effects are very harsh on the female body. Many coaches are ruining these young beautiful females and turning them into creatures.

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I had a sinking suspicion this was the case… Thanks for the honesty!

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Obviously yours will be different than someone who is natty, but anyway can you give an example of how much volume you typically do and what methods seem to work best in your experience? (set/rep schemes, techniques) Thanks in advance!

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Hey shadow,

Been silently following this thread ever since it started. Really grateful for someone of your level to be doing this for us general folks.

Being on cycle improves protein synthesis and recovery rate in the body, but is there an optimal amount of volume/frequency to be increased to fully maximise growth while being on cycle? Or would this all be up to the individual?

Thanks for everything man, best of luck dieting for the olympia!

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For calorie maintenance level. Would you consider the method of bodyweight x 14 and 17 a suitable method?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Ricardo Brentani wrote:
Hey shadow! I know this is a steroid forum, but id like to ask you about carbs… since day one in the gym (almost 7 years ago, when i was just 14) i have been taking a very simple homemade carb shake pre workout: 2 bananas and 1 large spoon of oat flour. To this day it gave me the energy to train hard for about one hour, all i ever needed. Intra workout drink has always been plain water. Than, immediately afterwards i would take my protein with waxy maize (dextrose made me fat) and bcaas.

But here is the question: what if i just stopped taking this homemade carb shake prior going to war and started to drink the wazy mazie during the workout, leaving just protein and bcaas as the post shake. I have been thinking about this for quite some time now, but for some reason have never actually tried it. Maybe this way i will have even more energy and get leaner at the same time (BF levels are about 12 percent now). Thanks a lot for helping me again![/quote]

Drop everything you’re doing and follow this protocol, you will see AMAZING PROGRESS.

30 min preworkout 2 servings of MAG-10
Intraworkout 2-3 servings of Plazma
30min post workout 2 servings of MAG-10

This will give you a lot better results and you gain muscle mass, lose fat and have faster recovery.

  • I’ve said it a thousand times and I’ll continue to say it over and over and over that there is no replacement for Plazma intraworkout. NOTHING COMES CLOSE. I feel like I’m repeating myself, if anyone has any intraworkout supplement questions or wants my opinion just expect to hear me talk about Plazma…

It’s all I use, and yes I’ve tried everything else. I have spent tons of money on intraworkout drinks that didn’t do shit for me. This is the ONLY supplement that works, there is no replacement or “cheap” homemade mixtures… If you have money to spend on food and drugs then surely you can afford Plazma, it should be part of your macros meaning it replaces 1-2 of your daily meals. (Not a direct shot at you Ricardo… Just a general statement)
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Hahahah ok shadow! I will definitely do that! In fact i will buy them right now! Thanks for the help, i really appreciate what you are doing, it shows great character! You will be hearing from me soon!