Q&A with Shadow Pro

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Shadow

I know that you perfer hgh and humalog as your main peptides for growth and prep. But what about the newer peptides (ghrp-6, cjc1295 w/dac, mgf, ect) do these have any benifit to the bodybuilder arsenal? They seem to get mixed reviews so im not sure if its the company or just the product itself?

Also what about follistatin and ace - 31 (or whatever it is called) have you or your friends have experiance with these peptides?

Tjanks again for some great info. Some of its new some of its just common sense. But its all info that needs to be pounded into our heads.

786

Thank you! I was thinking about after my show June 28th going back to my carb cycling as I seemed to best do off of that diet.

My shows are actually August 2nd & 9th sorry for not clarifying when they were.

787

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
SP greetings from Brazil!

As you can see this is my first post… IÃ??Ã?´ve been following T NATION since 2002 and I have read lots of topics in the FORUMS area…
This one is by far the most interesting ever! After reading all 28 pages I decided to participate and ask your opinion about what I�?�´ve been doing.
Thank you for your attention in advance!

STATS:
6,13 inches (1,87 centimeters)
211 pounds (96 kilos)
38 years old
10% bf (right now I look like my avatar)
15 years of solid training

When I was 26 I ran my first cycle… I went to a doctor and did everything exactly as he asked… After a year I ran another cycle and from there I started to run 2 cycles every year… always following this doctor’s advice… After seven years I reached my max weight which was 111 kilos (245 pounds)… after that I tried to increase my doses and drugs trying to break this plateau… I only got side effects from that… so I figured I must have reached my limit or something… It is true that back then I didn’t have half of my knowledge about nutrition and training that I have now… Interesting to note that when I finish a cycle I always had my weight dropping near 101 kilos (222 pounds)… even doing the proper PCT and using quality supplements.

When I turned 33 and after having all my blood work fine I decided to run some durateston (test blend just like sustanon) for weeks (250mg/week)… I kept myself with this for a year and a half!! Sometimes I gave a 3-4 weeks break and throw some CLOMID and NOLVA to ?send? some sign to my body produce some test itself… sometimes I ran some HCG… I was feeling pretty good … weight around 101 (222) bf around 8%… not major side effects…

Then I decided to get married and have a kid… first thing was to make a sperm count exam… the result was bad… very bad… I had zero live sperm… my boys were all dead…
I went to some fertility doctors but none of them could help me… I tried to keep my weight so I started to drink Weight Gainers and eat like a motherfucker… that was a total disaster! I indeed kept my weight… but my belly was HUGE! My bf should be around 20% by that time…
My sperm returned to normal values AFTER 18 MONTHS ! So in my case fertility was an issue! I read you saying about bodybuilders having kids ON GEAR and that only show me how individual side effects and predisposition can be.

After 3 years clean I now started a ?new protocol? I developed and the main reason for this post is to ask your opinion about that.

HERE IT GOES:
I ran 140 mg of TEST-C/week for 10 weeks… one shot every fifth day (around 70 mg each) and took 25mg of CLOMID everyday to prevent any shutdown of my HPTA
I did blood work before, during and last week when I stopped the TEST. My testosterone went from 400 to 850… FSH, LH kept near the same numbers during all 10 weeks… and most important, my sperm count remains the same!
In terms of results I got say that I have the same condition now (if not better) if compare when I was taking 250mg test/week… just a little lighter (right now I am 96 kilos/211 pounds).
I plan on start this next Monday to keep my gains to the max:

5gr of DAA
Alpha Male (a friend brought me from his trip to USA)
10mg of NOLVA (my intention with it is to help with my test levels)
I would do this for 4 weeks and then be back to the TEST+CLOMID protocol
What do you think about that?
I read that CLOMID can cause some vision related side effects if used for prolonged time… thatÃ??Ã?´s why I thought about giving it out for some time. Have you heard about some sides from CLOMID?
I am also considering using some HUMALOG pre wkt (like you mentioned) with my intraworkout drink … since I have never use it and bf is low, I thought it will give me some nice results… what do you think?

I appreciate the help
[/quote]

Sorry to hear about your fertility issues, as I mentioned it can vary drastically from one person to another. Some people are completely fine while others can have disastrous issues and unfortunately this happened to you.

The cycle and pct you did looks great to me. I don’t see any issues with the clomid but it’s not a bad idea to cycle on and off of it 4 weeks at a time especially if you’re using AlphaMale and nolva while you’re not on it. If your bodyfat is nice and low you can definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout, and if you can combine it with Plazma that will be your best option. Start low at 5iu preworkout and as long and you don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) you can bump it up 5iu every week and bump up carbs accordingly.
[/quote]
Thanks for your input Shadow!
Quick questions regarding the advice you gave me and some other not related with my goals…

  1. You told me that if my bodyfat is nice and low I could definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout… starting at 5IU and as long I don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) I could bump it up 5iu every week (bump up carbs accordingly)

But for another Forum Member (juggies) you said â??I wouldn’t take insulin without the GH, it will help with muscle gains but can also put you at risk to gain a lot of fatâ??.
I understand that the response is very individual, but since I don�´t have cash now to buy some GH, how could I control this fat gain? Is it still worth it even only with the HUMALOG?

  1. In this same post you said that Insulin(HUMALOG)should be shot IM… I am sorry if this is NEW only for me, but I thought I should take it Subq just like GH… what kind of needle I would have to use? Same as I use for pin my TEST?

  2. Do you have any flatulence disorders? I mean, I do and it really bothers my wife… I wonder if others suffer from the same problem… I tried some simethicone but it didnÃ?´t help at all… any thoughts?

  3. Do you like other sports besides bodybuilding? I mean, practicing or just watching… I am asking you that because we are having the World Cup here in Brazil and there are a lot of americans supporting your National Soccer Team arround!

  4. Who is your favorite bodybuilder from all time? How about your favorite Mr.Olympia from all time?[/quote]

  5. The recommendation is very individual and you look relatively lean in your avatar, so I would say 5iu is pretty safe to try without gaining fat as long as you have your diet together. Obviously it would work better with GH but if you are under 8% bf and you are trying to gain mass, even if you add 1% bodyfat along with more muscle mass it would be worth it in a case like this. If your bodyfat is over 10% I wouldn’t use Humalog without GH. If you are under 10% it’s worth a try. If you are experiencing fat gain just stop using the insulin, you should be able to assess this after 2 weeks of use.

2.you should use Humalog IM, just use a regular insulin pin that you use for GH. Pick an area where you have the least bodyfat so you will insure that you are hitting the muscle. The reason for doing it IM is to make sure it’s in and out of your system as fast as possible.

  1. No I don’t have any problem with this. I think all bodybuilders have a little bit of a problem to an extent due to the excess food and high protein diet. Tell your wife to suck it up! Haha. On a serious note, I could be some type of food allergy.

  2. I like to watch the NBA and I also like to watch all of the Olympic sports as well, mostly track and field. I am not a huge fan of soccer but if I’ll watch a soccer game it would only be when Brazil is playing. I am a fan of other iron sports as well, I like to follow powerlifting, weightlifting and strongman.

  3. Ronnie Coleman for both. I think he was ahead of his time and no one will get to this level for years, he’s one of the strongest bodybuilders ever, trains like a maniac and he’s huge… Makes everyone else look like babies. Jay Cutler is a great representative for the sport, he’s an all around good guy. Your Brazilian brother Eduardo Correa is one of my top picks for a 212 competitor he doesn’t get the respect he deserves placing wise, he brings insane conditioning every time and has a great physique.

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[quote]santhes wrote:
“No one wants to train hard or diet, they continue to look for magic formulas that don’t exist.”

What I find ironic when reading this thread is that there are probably quite a few (if not the majority here?) here asking about cycles, etc. that are already looking for the short cut in taking gear. They think taking gear IS the magic formula. What do you think?[/quote]

Exactly!

I’ll tell you my perspective on this…

  • the best thing gear will give you is the ability to train harder and recover faster
  • if you aren’t training hard to begin with it won’t give you shit besides a bunch of unwanted side effects and lots of water retention
  • people think they can eat like shit and take gear to compensate this, if anything it will make them look worse.
    -no matter how much gear you will take and how complex or fancy your cycle will be… If you don’t have your training and diet figured out you will NEVER progress to any higher level even if you are a genetic freak.
    -there is no magic pill or injection. It’s hard training, good diet and overall knowledge that will help you… The juice is just the icing on the cake.
789

[quote]the judo kid wrote:
hi do you bielieve that tren has a lasting negative effect on cardio or just while its in your system?[/quote]

Only while it’s in your system.

790

[quote]Havoc. wrote:
Sup SP
I am from South-Africa, recently found TNation? Whole lotta shit I have been missing! HAHA
I want to get right to it, I have been asking for help/advice here in SA from a few BBers and Fitness Athletes, the problem I am experiencing is that they are so fucking full of themselves and if they give you any tips/info they want to charge you an arm and a leg. What happened to giving back after you have reached the top?

Anyway, ok so after my professional rugby career was ended by a rotator cuff injury, I gained a lot of weight, I weighed 128 KG and I?m just under 6 feet tall. I managed to lose 38 kg?s. Started working out and n went on a basic test E/C cycle with dbol first 6 weeks and winnies last 6 weeks? gains were amazing, only problem I had was the lack of knowledge? not doing any pct… Just when I have finished my cycle I became very sick and had to use cortisone and that kept me out of the gym for nearly 5 months. But I am fine now, in that time I was off I started to research gear/nutrition/training etc. So I am now at that point where I want to start again and fuck the naysayers!

I have a few questions,
1 I am now ± at 25-30% bf but what?s weird is when I flex I got veins running down my shoulders/chest/biceps etc. I also think I?m prone to gyno, sometimes I get a tingly feeling in my nipples and the one is a little bigger that the other.

2I also was thinking of using HGH Pharma grade and Clen for weight loss.

3I was wondering should I use a strong PCT like nolvadex, HCG, clomid maybe Dostinex/Cabasser and Aramadix before I start a new cycle.

4My Macros are Prot 45% Carb 35% Fat 20%. I worked out my calories to maintain LBM is around 2500 cals. My carb consumptions is at BF, PRE and Post workout (carbs from mass build shake and vitargo) and my fat intake is between BF and pre workout and then last meal of the day.
BF- PROT+CARBS
PROT+FAT
PROT+FAT
PROT+CARBS
TRAINING
PROT+CARBS
PROT+FAT
So please SP any advice will be HIGHLY appreciated
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At 25-30% bf you have no business starting a cycle. It won’t do you any good… First of all get your diet and training together and reduce your bodyfat naturally before you think about taking anything. For now, take some quality fat burning supps like indigo and HOT-ROX and I’ll help you put something together when you get down to 12-15%

Start doing cardio and training consistently to drop this excess bodyfat. Don’t use any drugs until your bodyfat is lower, period!

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[quote]pennstate29 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]pennstate29 wrote:
Hey Shadow,

Quick queston for you, I am 26, currently 235 with 20ish BF. I am strength oriented but currently I am trying to lean out bit to get healthier and make it easier to bulk while maintaining what I have. What would you suggest running with strength goals in mind and being in a caloric deficit, if anything? Thanks for everything your doing here![/quote]

Hey, I need some more info in order to help you better.

How many previous cycles and what were they? What is your diet and training like? Supplement use? At 20% bf I would first of all suggest fixing up your diet and bringing that down before doing anything. Probably adding some fat burners (ECA or HOT-ROX), and if you want something Rx you could go with t3 or clenbuterol. GH in low dosages is also great for fat burning.

If you can post a picture that would be great. Otherwise the info I give you has to be very general.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply sorry, I am just now getting back to you. My diet is for the most part consistent and steady even on the weekends, I have my carbs only around Peri workout (150gr) and at least my BW in PRO and 70-100 in fat depending on the day. Slowing adding in cardio or taking out KCals whenever I stall, I might have started too high with KCal but have heard too many stories of people starting too low.

I have made great gains in my lifts (powerlifting oriented) and would like to keep those gains as I lean out. As far as supplements, creatine, fishoil, whey isolate and vitamin D3 and I have never ran a legitcycle before (dabbled in prohormones a couple times) what would you suggest?[/quote]

I would definitely lower the fat to about 50g/day. Keep adding cardio (preferably HIIT) keep your intraworkout carbs, I would separate them like this 25g preworkout, 100g intra and 25g post. 100g being from Plazma and the other 50 from rice. Make sure you are taking indigo before the workout (30min before you start Plazma) it will help your body utilize the carbs better and contribute to your fat loss. You can also take HOT-ROX before your cardio(30min)

The rest of your meals can consist of protein and fat, the fat shouldn’t exceed 50g/day including the fat from your meats. I wouldn’t try the Clen and t3 yet, save these for a later time once you get your bodyfat lower. For now just use the supplements and save these weapons for later.

792

[quote]Genk250 wrote:
Shadow

I know that you perfer hgh and humalog as your main peptides for growth and prep. But what about the newer peptides (ghrp-6, cjc1295 w/dac, mgf, ect) do these have any benifit to the bodybuilder arsenal? They seem to get mixed reviews so im not sure if its the company or just the product itself?

Also what about follistatin and ace - 31 (or whatever it is called) have you or your friends have experiance with these peptides?

Tjanks again for some great info. Some of its new some of its just common sense. But its all info that needs to be pounded into our heads. [/quote]

I’m not a big fan of peptides, not to say they aren’t effective but it’s like GH (even worse) your chances of finding the real thing is very unlikely. The real prices of igf should be almost 3 times the price of pharm GH. I keep hearing that the reason big Ramy got so big so fast is because of unlimited access to pharmaceutical igf. I really doubt that some underground peptide company would be willing to lose money. I’ve tried all of these peptides and I didn’t see anything spectacular or mentionable from any of them and my clients and friends have the same reviews.

Most of these companies are just trying to make money from selling shit, I would save your money and just buy the pharmaceutical GH.

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[quote]futurephysique wrote:
Thank you! I was thinking about after my show June 28th going back to my carb cycling as I seemed to best do off of that diet.

My shows are actually August 2nd & 9th sorry for not clarifying when they were. [/quote]

Sorry about the misunderstanding on the dates, august 2nd and 9th is much better! Until then try to keep losing the bodyfat you have left and come in the best condition you can. You need someone to build a diet that is suited specifically for you. To give someone a keto diet is the easy way out, you can get a lot of bad long term side effects from this and it will negatively impact your training. Even for now keep your intraworkout carbs in the diet, don’t go completely keto.

Good luck, keep me posted and I will gladly help you along the way with whatever I can.

794

Shadow pro

Thanks for all the useful advice in this thread, I’ve just finished reading the whole thing and soaked up a lot of info so thanks.

I have a couple of questions if you don’t mind;

  1. What are your views on front-loading?

  2. How did you learn the majority of what you know? Did you have a mentor? Did you just learn by trial and error? I ask because I don’t personally know anyone else who uses AAS so everything I’ve learned has come from forums such as these and then trial and error on myself and I know I could have done with someone to learn from face to face.

  3. If someone reeaaallly can’t afford Plazma then is an intra workout shake of 25g dextrose and 15g bcaa’s completely worthless? (I know it doesn’t even come close but money’s tight).

  4. Personal cycle question - For my next cycle I have 8g T400, 3g NPP and some dbol. I’m currently looking at weeks 1-12 - 600mg test, weeks 1-6 50mg dbol ed, weeks 5-12 350mg NPP. Would you advise I set this up any differently? The cycle will be a gaining cycle (off season) starting from <10% bf and previous cycle history is:
    Cycle 1 - 500mg test/wk for 12 weeks.
    Cycle 2 - 350mg test p/wk, 350mg mast p/wk.

Any advice/answers appreciated.

Thanks

795

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

  1. Ronnie Coleman for both. I think he was ahead of his time and no one will get to this level for years, he’s one of the strongest bodybuilders ever, trains like a maniac and he’s huge… Makes everyone else look like babies.
    [/quote]

Doesn’t Ronnie get a nod just for the quote, “Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift this heavy-ass weight.”?

When trying to drop weight, have you ever tried Provigil/Modafonil? It’s a bit of a weird feeling mentally. It’s very good for focus and getting work done, but you don’t feel wired or ‘buzzy’. Seems to raise VO2max as well. For me, though, I have no appetite when on it. It could work in someone’s favor if they were cutting.

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Hi Shadow pro first of all thanks for the BIG help that you are giving!
I sent you a PM but probably you don’t answer to them.
I’m in the game from many years I’m 39 years old :slight_smile:

Iwill do a good show in november and i need to do a jump in weight class to be competitive but now are almost 3 years that o don’t Put any weight on about AAS I think that my dosages are really enough also for hgh so I think that I can improve with a better insulin protocol actually I’m doing humalog at 15 iu preworkout may you advice me if i can Put it also in others meals? And how to cycle it?

797

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
Shadow,

As said before, (shortened to save space)[/quote]

You can do something like this.

Bump up the test to about 300mg/week

Tren-a 75mg eod

Mast-p 75mg eod

250iu HCG 2x/week

Adex .5 eod or e3d depending on sensitivity

GH- I don’t recall what your goal was. If it’s for muscle gains do post workout and before bed (3-4iu each shot would be perfect) or if your goal is fat loss then 60-90 min pre workout and first thing in the morning (3-4iu each shot)

Honestly, this is a great basic cycle… You could always add an oral if you want, something like anavar if you are trying to get leaner or tbol if you are trying to get bigger. But I wouldn’t say it’s an absolute MUST.
You could bump up the tren and mast to 100 eod but don’t do this until you hit a plateau and see if you have any sides. Obviously there’s people who take a lot more than this but you are right that starting slow is the best and I wouldn’t go over this if it’s the first time you’re trying tren.
[/quote]

Thank you so much, you’re an amazing resource. I do actually have anavar too but thought it’d be too weak. I’ll add it in @ 20mg?[/quote]

My pleasure, happy to help. 20mg for a male won’t do much… I think 40-60mg is a better choice for dosage.
[/quote]

Always wondered by the way, if I go back to cruising TRT levels after (150mg-200mg/week) what do I do in terms of PCT after coming off cycle with tren & mast? Or should I come of all the way, do full PCT and see what happens with natural test levels?

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[quote]santhes wrote:
“No one wants to train hard or diet, they continue to look for magic formulas that don’t exist.”

What I find ironic when reading this thread is that there are probably quite a few (if not the majority here?) here asking about cycles, etc. that are already looking for the short cut in taking gear. They think taking gear IS the magic formula. What do you think?[/quote]

There are always people like that, but I’ve learned not to underestimate the vast differences in body types there are. Before I got sick I spent 3+ years training so hard and getting educated on everything, I lived on below 50g carbs for 6 months just to get abs. After sickness I went back and now 4 years into it I still looked like I “don’t really work out hard”.

In my opinion the most vital part is getting elaborate blood work done BEFORE you do anything. Know your body, know your baseline… go from there.

799

Shadow,

What training split do you follow? Can you explain how you came to your current split considering factors like strengths, weaknesses, availability, etc?

Thanks!

800

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
Shadow pro

Thanks for all the useful advice in this thread, I’ve just finished reading the whole thing and soaked up a lot of info so thanks.

I have a couple of questions if you don’t mind;

  1. What are your views on front-loading?

  2. How did you learn the majority of what you know? Did you have a mentor? Did you just learn by trial and error? I ask because I don’t personally know anyone else who uses AAS so everything I’ve learned has come from forums such as these and then trial and error on myself and I know I could have done with someone to learn from face to face.

  3. If someone reeaaallly can’t afford Plazma then is an intra workout shake of 25g dextrose and 15g bcaa’s completely worthless? (I know it doesn’t even come close but money’s tight).

  4. Personal cycle question - For my next cycle I have 8g T400, 3g NPP and some dbol. I’m currently looking at weeks 1-12 - 600mg test, weeks 1-6 50mg dbol ed, weeks 5-12 350mg NPP. Would you advise I set this up any differently? The cycle will be a gaining cycle (off season) starting from <10% bf and previous cycle history is:
    Cycle 1 - 500mg test/wk for 12 weeks.
    Cycle 2 - 350mg test p/wk, 350mg mast p/wk.

Any advice/answers appreciated.

Thanks
[/quote]

  1. It can work to an extent but after years of experience I’ve found that the more gradual you do things, the better result you usually get. Front loading can work, but it’s always taking a risk and it would never be my first recommendation. The more drastic changes you make, the more risk you are taking… The body is always looking for a balance.

  2. I’ve worked with a lot of the top coaches in the industry and Chris Aceto is the first name that popped into my head when I read this, I learned a lot from him. I also worked with hany and Farah and took bits and pieces of information from all of them. Just from being in the pro circuit for many years, I’ve have the chance to bounce ideas around with a lot of other guys. Most of us are crazy enough to try almost everything (as long as logic is involved) so of course trial and error is a part of it. I have also done a lot of reading and studying on the subject as well as being in the trenches which has given me a lot of knowledge, you can do a LOT of reading in 20+ years and there’s always something new to learn. I also have some friends who work as research scientists and they have worked with me to set up some amazing personal projects over the years.

  3. I understand completely but I think the budget should be reconstructed in order to incorporate it. If you budget is so tight but you can afford steroids and not quality nutrition then you need to think about the priorities. Good supplementation and nutrition come first, so if you can’t figure out how to fit it into your regular food budget I would push it ahead in priority over the steroids, because there’s no point in taking juice if you aren’t going to fuel your body efficiently. The Plazma can replace 2 of your regular meals each day, so instead of buying regular food just use the Plazma in its place… It’s comparable and possibly cheaper than regular solid food. It’s part of your daily macros so you’d need to eat these regardless.

I can’t recommend anything else because nothing can give you similar results. This is the reason why people aren’t getting the most benefit out of their cycles because the nutritional aspect of their program is not appropriate.

  1. Add 250iu HCG 2x/week, add 10-20mg nolvadex everyday and have caber in hand just incase. Everything else looks very good.
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[quote]Fat Boy 33 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

  1. Ronnie Coleman for both. I think he was ahead of his time and no one will get to this level for years, he’s one of the strongest bodybuilders ever, trains like a maniac and he’s huge… Makes everyone else look like babies.
    [/quote]

Doesn’t Ronnie get a nod just for the quote, “Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift this heavy-ass weight.”?

When trying to drop weight, have you ever tried Provigil/Modafonil? It’s a bit of a weird feeling mentally. It’s very good for focus and getting work done, but you don’t feel wired or ‘buzzy’. Seems to raise VO2max as well. For me, though, I have no appetite when on it. It could work in someone’s favor if they were cutting.

[/quote]

One of my favorite quotes. A lot of guys train like pussies these days and rely solely on drugs for a fix. It’s funny that I’m writing this on a steroid forum but I do believe that steroids are the icing on the cake and they will only give you amazing results if everything else is done perfectly.

I never tried it myself, I know a lot of guys are using it while dieting and loving it.

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[quote]martellrui wrote:
Hi Shadow pro first of all thanks for the BIG help that you are giving!
I sent you a PM but probably you don’t answer to them.
I’m in the game from many years I’m 39 years old :slight_smile:

Iwill do a good show in november and i need to do a jump in weight class to be competitive but now are almost 3 years that o don’t Put any weight on about AAS I think that my dosages are really enough also for hgh so I think that I can improve with a better insulin protocol actually I’m doing humalog at 15 iu preworkout may you advice me if i can Put it also in others meals? And how to cycle it?[/quote]

Hard for me to give advice without getting more details, please post a picture along with some background info. You can decide to jump into a new weight class, unless u actually have enough REAL NEW STAGE MUSCLE. It’s a bad idea to chase after a scale number, just work your ass off and you’ll land wherever you belong.

I don’t answer or receive private messages, I want everyone to be able to see the advice I give. So if you have any questions please post them here on the thread. I’m doing the best I can to answer everyone.

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[quote]rhod wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rhod wrote:
Shadow,

As said before, (shortened to save space)[/quote]

You can do something like this.

Bump up the test to about 300mg/week

Tren-a 75mg eod

Mast-p 75mg eod

250iu HCG 2x/week

Adex .5 eod or e3d depending on sensitivity

GH- I don’t recall what your goal was. If it’s for muscle gains do post workout and before bed (3-4iu each shot would be perfect) or if your goal is fat loss then 60-90 min pre workout and first thing in the morning (3-4iu each shot)

Honestly, this is a great basic cycle… You could always add an oral if you want, something like anavar if you are trying to get leaner or tbol if you are trying to get bigger. But I wouldn’t say it’s an absolute MUST.
You could bump up the tren and mast to 100 eod but don’t do this until you hit a plateau and see if you have any sides. Obviously there’s people who take a lot more than this but you are right that starting slow is the best and I wouldn’t go over this if it’s the first time you’re trying tren.
[/quote]

Thank you so much, you’re an amazing resource. I do actually have anavar too but thought it’d be too weak. I’ll add it in @ 20mg?[/quote]

My pleasure, happy to help. 20mg for a male won’t do much… I think 40-60mg is a better choice for dosage.
[/quote]

Always wondered by the way, if I go back to cruising TRT levels after (150mg-200mg/week) what do I do in terms of PCT after coming off cycle with tren & mast? Or should I come of all the way, do full PCT and see what happens with natural test levels?[/quote]

Since you are doing a “real” cycle now, I would come off completely and do a proper pct to see where your test levels land. You can always go back on your trt dose after this. It’s good to see where your body levels truly are.

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[quote]rhod wrote:

[quote]santhes wrote:
“No one wants to train hard or diet, they continue to look for magic formulas that don’t exist.”

What I find ironic when reading this thread is that there are probably quite a few (if not the majority here?) here asking about cycles, etc. that are already looking for the short cut in taking gear. They think taking gear IS the magic formula. What do you think?[/quote]

There are always people like that, but I’ve learned not to underestimate the vast differences in body types there are. Before I got sick I spent 3+ years training so hard and getting educated on everything, I lived on below 50g carbs for 6 months just to get abs. After sickness I went back and now 4 years into it I still looked like I “don’t really work out hard”.

In my opinion the most vital part is getting elaborate blood work done BEFORE you do anything. Know your body, know your baseline… go from there.[/quote]

I completely agree with your statement about bloodwork before anything. It’s the best way to know for sure where you stand. My problem is that most people use juice as crutches, always looking for a short cut instead of putting in the work first and then enhancing once they “need” to.