Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote] Wayacrucis wrote:

  1. 6-8iu is a great amount for muscle growth and will keep you safe from unwanted growth. As for off season timing, post workout 30min before insulin and before bed. For fat burning purposes pre workout 60-90min before and first thing in the morning on empty stomach.

I am a little confused when you say take GH post work out 30 min before insulin for mass gaining? I thought the best time to take Humalog was pre-work out. So for mass gaining, I should take insulin pre-work out and GH post work out? or both pre-work out? Also if I were to only take one shot per day, for mass gaining and fat burning when would you say would be the best time?

One question in regard to Nolvadex. Why do you run it ED on cycle at 10-20mg? I am assuming you’re using 1g+ Test, so wouldn’t Arimidex or another AI be more suitable for controlling estrogen and gyno? Or do you use an AI and Nolva?

As for HCG - what weekly dose/protocol to you recommend on cycle? So when you say to take it throughout a cycle, if I were to cycle for 16-18 weeks, I would take it everyweek from week 1?
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Best time for GH is post workout for gaining mass and it’s 30 minutes before the insulin if you choose to do the “optional” post workout insulin. If you aren’t doing the post workout insulin you can still do the GH at this time. For mass, post workout. Fat burning pre workout or morning.

I’ve spoke about the subject on nolvadex over and over. Nolvadex is my choice, it works perfectly well but if you choose to use arimidex it is fine as well… This subject is beaten to death on this thread already.

HCG dosage is depending on the amounts you are taking, you can take it throughout the whole cycle (with the exception of the last 2-3 weeks pre contest) 250iu is a good amount to take every other day or every 3rd day depending on the dosages you are taking.

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[quote]Cadebrigade wrote:
Hi Shadow! Loving your forthrightness and patience answering all these questions. I have a few for you if you don’t mind…

  1. Often times when searching through online sources about drugs, people state (sometimes ferociously) that any cycle without test is a wasted cycle, and that it will shut you down or you won’t get gains or yadda yadda. My coach, who was a very successful bodybuilder, strength athlete, and pro hockey player with lots of drug experience, has often told me these guys are wrong and that I need to stick away from highly androgenic drugs due to my profession (I’m an entertainer, I need be muscular and lean, not holding water). But im conflicted because so many say you need test. So, do you feel you “Need” test in a cycle or is taking compounds like Primo, anavar, Eq, Winstrol acceptable by themselves (or perhaps stacked together with no test bases).

  2. Do you feel WInstol contributes to hair loss? Some guys say it shouldnt because it’s low androgenic, others claim it is DEATH to your hairline. My coach has been saying it would be great for my physique and shouldnt contribute to hair loss but i’m nervous.

  3. What are your thoughts on EQ? I notice you havent mentioned it when discussing compounds. Im thinking or running it with Anavar (or the winstrol) and Hgh (which im currently maintaining at 2 Iu’s a day)

Just some background info on me… Im 26 years old, 5’10 195 pounds. I can deadlift over 400 for reps, have squatted 225 for 32 reps, and incline bench 245 for sets of 4x6 reps. Im mesomorphic and slightly endomorphic in nature. Have NO problem putting on size historically. On just 200 mg of primo/week and 20mg anavar ed I went from 175 to 195 in a month or so (with abs). And then on my second cycle I took 2 Iu’s growth and 200-300 milligrams of primo a week and got to 210. Not my leanest, but pretty lean. i reckon 15%. These are the only two cycles i have ever had. My goal is to eventually be Hugh Jackman Shredded lol Minus the fact that he’s got chicken legs and iv got fucking wheels.

That said, Im on camera and getting bloated doesn’t help me. I walk a very fine line being too big as is, and I’m mostly looking to use drugs that allow me to increase muscle density and stay freaky lean, which i have trouble with. and to train like a monster, which i love.

I hope this wasn’t too long winded. Thank you kindly for your reply.

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  1. It’s not that you can’t do cycles without test, you can if you want but it depends if you can handle how you feel on something like this. There will be the possibility of low libido, being shut down, low energy and many more. As for your questions on the substances… I wouldn’t use eq if you want to stay hard and lean, it will cause some water retention and increase your appetite which isn’t good while dieting. It’s a good mass gainer so you will gain weight while on it and you said you don’t want to be too big so it’s probably not a good choice. Winstrol and anavar are great choices to choose from as a stand alone cycle, some people will need a pct after it and others are fine without. Primo is also a decent choice combined with test-p (you can keep the dosage of test low) something like 75mg every other day will be enough to give you good results with minimal water retention. The choice is yours, but usually with test you will have a better overall feeling and usually better results but you can do cycles without it if you want. The benefit of doing it without test is that you’ll have a harder look with minimal water retention.

  2. From my experience most people don’t have issues with hair loss on winstrol. Although people will be more sensitive to certain substances and experience more sides, it’s very individual.

  3. I’ve talked about eq quite a bit in this thread. The cycles that I would recommend eq in are not suitable for your goals. If you want to use GH and anavar OR winstrol that would be a great combo, and even better if you add the test prop at 75mg EOD.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
Shadwell,

What do you think about short term GH use? Do you see any value in adding it to a 12 week cycle? My cycles tend to be fairly modest (1g of test-ish, a little dbol here, a little anavar there) but I’ve always been intrigued as to whether adding a couple of iu of GH daily would make much of an impact.

The typical bro-mantra tells us that anything less than 6 months is pointless, but I just can’t justify the expenditure. I could maybe stretch to a 12 weeker + PCT if there was going to be a significant benefit.

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Thank you for asking this… And just when I thought you’d disappeared from the thread you come back with a quality question.

I DEFINITELY think it would give great benefits, even in a 12 week window. When using GH, usually the longer you can stay on the better it is but using it for 10-12 weeks will give you some nice benefits. What you could expect to see is fuller and “rounder” look (like a ninja turtle) it’s hard to pinpoint it but it’s the only drug that will give you this unique look. If you are using a quality GH(pharm… No Chinese BS) you will see these changes almost immediately… Most people report finding tighter skin with a better tone, fat loss and the ability to increase calories without gaining fat. You will notice an huge difference in recovery from training and better sleep quality. One of the biggest things I’ve found for people who are serious in the gym is that it helps a lot with existing injuries… I have always had shitty knees and I never have any issues when I’m on GH.

As for dosage, I would start with 6iu/day (to see these specific benefits that I listed) for people who are just looking for fat loss or skin improvements when 3-4iu will be sufficient.

So it does work in short term for sure, it’s optimal to stay on it longer if possible but I think taking it for a short period is better than skipping it all together.
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Don’t worry big fella, I’ll be popping in and out to keep it interesting!

So 6iu for 12 weeks it is then. Looks like I’m going to have to start doing some overtime. 12 weeks of that’s going to cost me like Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?£800![/quote]

Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?£800 for 12 weeks, pharmaceutical? 1.52/iu… Are you sleeping with the pharmacist? If you are thinking about generics I don’t think I’d go with it, that sounds extremely cheap to me. 99% of the generics are not real so save your money and wait until you can buy the real thing. It seems ridiculously expensive to switch to pharm GH but it’s also insane to pay money for viles of sucralose and whatever kind of other shit they stuff in there.

Years ago when I decided to make the switch and spend more on GH was the year I made a huge jump in my career… And a huge hole in my bank account.

The difference isn’t something subtle, you notice it right away clear cut differences… Your reaction will be “WOW!” And you won’t be stuck wondering if it is/isn’t working. You can continue to waste money on generics or try and find a source for pharm, you’ll be happy you did. There is a smalllllll chance you can land some decent underground kits but have them tested in a lab before wasting more money.
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hmm well that’s interesting! It was Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?£200 for enough Growth to run 5iu for 20 days (that’s 100iu for those of you whose maths ain’t so good) and I was assured it was pharm grade! The guy that uses it swears by it and he’s a nationally ranked BBer, although I know that’s never an indication that people actually know what they’re talking about. He’s the dude I get my oils off as he gets them at a pretty decent knock down price and the quality is good. I just assumed the GH would be kosher as well.

I know we’re not supposed to discuss prices but what would the ballpark figure be for real growth then (sorry mods if that’s not cool to ask).[/quote]

Let me give you an example… If you walk into a pharmacy today with a prescription and no medical plan that helps with costs of prescription drugs you would be looking to pay $1800-2200USD for 128iu of pharmaceutical product. A good price could be $700 for 120iu… If u are finding cheaper than this I would be questioning the quality, unless you are sleeping with the girls at the facory… Hmmm, that’s a good idea! I know guys who got it this way btw.

It’s out there, just keep looking!!! Like I said to Reed, these low quality/no quality kits are the reason people don’t understand the true benefits of GH.
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well fuuuuuuuck me, how do you afford to use it at all? What does your wife/girlfriend say about you spending that much money? I’d be sleeping on the sofa for years!

That’s interesting though, and certainly suggests that everyone I know who uses GH is getting shite. Maybe it’s just cheaper here in the UK than the US but I think that’s just wishful thinking on my part.

Thanks for the responses as always. Enjoyed that article you wrote the other day too. Nice to see this site coming back around to articles about steroids and professional bodybuilding.[/quote]

My girl is 100% supportive of my career and I have a great job, support system and sponsors. I see it over and over again when people come to me and say they are using 15iu/day and seeing no results using generics and then once they switch to something as low as 4iu from pharm grade they get immediate results… Wondering why they wasted their money on the other stuff before that. I have seen hundreds of generic brands and nothing is comparable… And believe me, I wish they were too!

Sorry to tell you this but I know pros from the UK who are getting their stuff from here in the US, I’ve heard it’s even worse there. You can try it if you want but I honestly think you’re wasting your hard earned money.

I think that this is the only site that has positive vibes without all of the trolls… I was happy to see they wanted to publish the article. I have a lot more writing to share and hopefully a book about juice coming in the near future.(hoping they will let me sell the book here so it will be easily accessible for my followers here)
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Sorry, meant to reply to this ages ago…

Marry that chick if you haven’t already! Girls like that are hard to find. You know it’s love when she’ll pin your rear delts for you, haha.

Sucks about the GH, and to be honest if that’s the case then I think that rules out GH for me for the foreseeable future. As much as I’d love it, I just can’t justify the expenditure. I could get the real stuff (I’d order it from sponsors on other boards) but considering a whole cycle for me just now costs like Ã?£300, I’d end up paying ten times as much for a 12 weeker!

If I had plans to get on a stage in future I’d be all over it, but this is just a hobby for me. No sense getting a second mortgage for it!
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Absolutely, she pins my rear delts, lats, glutes, quads, triceps and if I’m too lazy maybe my GH as well. I’ve got her locked down, lol.

I completely understand the second mortgage thing. If I didn’t do it for a living I wouldn’t spend that much money either. I could buy a private island with the amount of money I spend on this necessity. If you ever find a decent priced source, you’ll have to try it even at 3iu/day and you’ll love it.

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[quote]Subject17 wrote:
Hey shadow have read entire thread and greatly appreciate you doing this for us.

A quick question regarding HGH timing and maximizing it.

I awake, hit a Brain Candy, then make my Plazma, then hit the gym.

When wld be more beneficial to take the hgh? (Only taking 4 iu’s to aid fatloss and help joints)

Right when I Awake? Or right before bed? Im open to your suggestions and thank you![/quote]

In your case, since you are using it primarily for fat burning purposes I would suggest first thing in the morning. Just make sure there is 30min before you start drinking your Plazma. There is no issue with the brain candy. You’re doing yourself a big favor because you are doing it on an empty stomach and pre workout.

I haven’t mentioned brain candy here yet but that’s my favorite pre workout combo when mixed with a spike shooter. I just learned this trick a few weeks ago. Better than any preworkout I’ve tried.

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[quote]Subject17 wrote:
Also, what do u think the reason is for all the distended guts in modern day pros?

Growth? Insulin? intestinal bulk from the constant eating and food volume? Visceral fat?

Wld love to hear your thoughts! [/quote]

I have a few theories about it… No one has a definite answer but here’s my personal findings.

Heavy GH use (over 10iu) definitely contributes to overall enlargement of the internal organs and you can see it “pushing” on the abdominal region when the body is very lean. I don’t think insulin is a part of it but more so the excessive amount of food you need to eat when using heavy dosages of insulin. In order to get so big, the amounts of food we eat in the off season is ridiculous and it makes your stomach expand. One of the ways I try to avoid this is my eating a lot of my food in a liquid form… Example: the Plazma or blending my breakfast.

Another thing that adds to the problem is that a lot of today’s bodybuilders aren’t athletically inclined or functional like they used to be and it comes down to pure laziness.

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Thank you very much for the reply on my last couple of questions my last cycle was after my competition with systanon 300, 200mg E3D and Dbol 50mg every day i did a PCT Clomifen 50mg a day and proviron 50mg for 14 days HCG 5000 3 injections EOD this is the only one in bulgaria we got so now i em off for 4 Months what do you think about the cycle i can give you my diet and training and more detailed backround.

and another question about Intraworkout supplement
i em from Bulgaria and we don’t have any Biotest supps so is there any other with a simillar effect and igridient i know that you say there is no other but somthing that i can use like Glycofuse or Intra-Fuel vitargo?
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I will say it over and over again that nothing will give you a similar effect. I’m sure that you can have the Plazma shipped to Bulgaria, they ship worldwide from the T-Nation store. If you are able to find steroids there, I don’t think Plazma will be the issue :slight_smile:

How long was your cycle? Did you mean Sustanon? If this is what you meant, then you did way too much HCG for such a low dosage. Something more like 1000iu every 3rd day for 6 weeks post cycle. If the HCG is coming in 5000iu viles you can just preload all of the syringes and use them separately rather than 5000 all in one shot. I’m guessing you might have done this because you had the schering snap tops
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The plazma comes to expensive for me to buy it from here so thats i search something like this well i ment sustanon yes the cycle was from january till the begining of this mounth i started my prep january
did sustanon 250, 100mg a week with EQ 100mg and Dbol 20mg,second week i did incresed the doses little to 200mg EQ and sus. dbol to 30mg then from the forth week i decresed them to the 1 doses got HCG 5000 in two shots only one was used with 10 days rest then did another 5 weeks of Test P 200mg a week and 200mg EQ with 40mg Dbol for another 4 weeks took nolvadex 10mg a day two started ephedryne Ephedrine then changed then we changed the cycle with Mast 100mg E4D Tri-tren 100mg E4D and stanozolol 40mg a day with T3 25mcg(Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?µg)(I don’t know if Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?µg is mcg sry) 1 Tab before cardio got it up to 50mcg for 3weeks then changed 2 weeks before the show i belive to Wini and test S 100mg EOD with anapolon i don’t remember the dosage here then did the cycle i gave you and the PCT
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If you can afford juice, surely you can afford quality supplements(it’s money you’d have to spend on food regardless) Supplements and nutrition are coming first before everything and by the looks of your cycle it’s all over the place and you can do without some of these things. I’m not sure what exactly you are asking but I would do things differently. I’m not sure why you did Anadrol at the end and why you’re using t3.
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that was before my competition and my coach worked this ot for me didn’t quite got the last things i was so dump on my diet :smiley: the t3 was before my cardio with the ephedrine i em novice in the steroid section so i was wanting to understand fully what my coach did and got some quality feedback from you mr.Shadow [/quote]

I would have done things differently but that’s my personal opinion. If you want to understand the reasons this was done then you’ll have to ask your coach. He should always be able to explain to you why he’s making certain choices and not say “just do it because I told you to”
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Thank you for your time and kindess can you help me with a primary cycle for off season
tell me what kinda info you need and i will respond asap [/quote]

Post a picture and your diet so I can see where you’re at.

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Thanks for you help SP! Highly appreciated!

I do have a secondary question, and it is regarding female athletes, so it might be out of your spectrum of knowledge.

How do you ensure that a woman is able to avoid any of the hormonal side effect of their menstrual cycle, like bloating etc when they have back to back shows that span over two and three weeks.

My girlfriend is looking into competing this spring(Bikni, so no AAS), and we have not really gotten any good information about this yet, she is using the pill, and can manipulate timing some, but not without side effects.

Thanks again!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Quadrociraptor wrote:

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[quote]Quadrociraptor wrote:
Thank you very much for the reply on my last couple of questions my last cycle was after my competition with systanon 300, 200mg E3D and Dbol 50mg every day i did a PCT Clomifen 50mg a day and proviron 50mg for 14 days HCG 5000 3 injections EOD this is the only one in bulgaria we got so now i em off for 4 Months what do you think about the cycle i can give you my diet and training and more detailed backround.

and another question about Intraworkout supplement
i em from Bulgaria and we don’t have any Biotest supps so is there any other with a simillar effect and igridient i know that you say there is no other but somthing that i can use like Glycofuse or Intra-Fuel vitargo?
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I will say it over and over again that nothing will give you a similar effect. I’m sure that you can have the Plazma shipped to Bulgaria, they ship worldwide from the T-Nation store. If you are able to find steroids there, I don’t think Plazma will be the issue :slight_smile:

How long was your cycle? Did you mean Sustanon? If this is what you meant, then you did way too much HCG for such a low dosage. Something more like 1000iu every 3rd day for 6 weeks post cycle. If the HCG is coming in 5000iu viles you can just preload all of the syringes and use them separately rather than 5000 all in one shot. I’m guessing you might have done this because you had the schering snap tops
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The plazma comes to expensive for me to buy it from here so thats i search something like this well i ment sustanon yes the cycle was from january till the begining of this mounth i started my prep january
did sustanon 250, 100mg a week with EQ 100mg and Dbol 20mg,second week i did incresed the doses little to 200mg EQ and sus. dbol to 30mg then from the forth week i decresed them to the 1 doses got HCG 5000 in two shots only one was used with 10 days rest then did another 5 weeks of Test P 200mg a week and 200mg EQ with 40mg Dbol for another 4 weeks took nolvadex 10mg a day two started ephedryne Ephedrine then changed then we changed the cycle with Mast 100mg E4D Tri-tren 100mg E4D and stanozolol 40mg a day with T3 25mcg(Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?µg)(I don’t know if Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?µg is mcg sry) 1 Tab before cardio got it up to 50mcg for 3weeks then changed 2 weeks before the show i belive to Wini and test S 100mg EOD with anapolon i don’t remember the dosage here then did the cycle i gave you and the PCT
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If you can afford juice, surely you can afford quality supplements(it’s money you’d have to spend on food regardless) Supplements and nutrition are coming first before everything and by the looks of your cycle it’s all over the place and you can do without some of these things. I’m not sure what exactly you are asking but I would do things differently. I’m not sure why you did Anadrol at the end and why you’re using t3.
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that was before my competition and my coach worked this ot for me didn’t quite got the last things i was so dump on my diet :smiley: the t3 was before my cardio with the ephedrine i em novice in the steroid section so i was wanting to understand fully what my coach did and got some quality feedback from you mr.Shadow [/quote]

I would have done things differently but that’s my personal opinion. If you want to understand the reasons this was done then you’ll have to ask your coach. He should always be able to explain to you why he’s making certain choices and not say “just do it because I told you to”
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Thank you for your time and kindess can you help me with a primary cycle for off season
tell me what kinda info you need and i will respond asap [/quote]

Post a picture and your diet so I can see where you’re at.
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I don’t count my macronutrinets so i will give the raw stats
1 meal 4 Egg whites 2 whole eggs
Oats 100gr.
raisins 59
2 230gr meat horse or pork steak 100gr rice
3 230grams meat with 300 grams potatos
4 230 grams meat with 100gr. rice
pre workout 5gr bcaa 7gr glutamine tribx 1 tablet
post workout 5gr bcaa with 7gr glutamine Vitargo 40gr and a 40gr whey
5 230 grams meat with 100gr. rice
6 5 Egg whits 1 whole egg cottage cheese 50gr
almonds 40-50 gr carb

thats basicly it the highest carb day i cycle them this is a primary every day i get my carbs differently more rice no potatos or another sorce
The day i do cardio i eat fish and mostly salads i em on low carbs

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Hi whats opinion on Rich Pianas advice on rotating orals e.g. 3 days var 2 days dbol 2 days wini then back to the Var etc?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
GH really depends on your goal and your budget. If you are doing it for fat burning purposes, rule of thumb would be on an empty stomach or semi-empty stomach so 2 hours after food or 40 min before food is good. If you are doing it for muscle building purposes, post workout and before bed are my best options and in a higher dosage.

For insulin, I would only use Humalog… There’s a lot of posts at the beginning of this thread about my thoughts on this subject. In general, I suggest 10-15 min preworkout and then start sipping Plazma.

I am not really taking the half life of the orals into account, I’m just taking them about an hour or 2 pre-workout(with meal) and test-suspension about 30min before the workout.
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Hello Shadow Pro,

I’ve read all 30 pages, and seen all your answers on this topic. Great info on slin & gh. I’m a bit confused on putting slin & HGH together.

If one has a 5IU daily HGH budget, and is running 10-20IU of slin preworkout (w/ Plazma), how should one dose the HGH? Split am/pm or single large dose near workout?

2.5IU First thing & 2.5IU 30min before preworkout slin dose?
5IU 30minutes before preworkout slin dose?
Dose the slin on its own pre workout, then POST workout have the GH?
Other?

Should one dose the humalog IM or Subq?

If one is 10% bodyfat is it doable to run slin & aas without GH? Or is it necessary to have slin & gh together? Would it ever be okay to run slin without GH and when?

Thanks!

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Shadow Pro,

Do you have any tips for minimizing bloating especially in the face? Adex and lots of water?

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With my earlier question if one had decent gains on a 500mg test prop 8 weeker, would you recommend the 300 test p, 300 mast…or stick with the original 400, 300 you mentioned at 600 tp normally. Using less product obviously would be the best way to go, but the test may be too low at 300mg.

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Shadow,

As said before, 30 year old been training for 5+ years. 6"2 / 190 lbs / BF 14%

On TRT for over a year now, wanting to up the ante and start a cycle. Budget and time wise I have a lot of room to play around. I have available right now:

Test C. (currently taking 150mg a week as TRT)

Adding in:

Tren A.
Mast P.

Plus I have 60 iu GH and 10.000 iu of hCG

In terms of orals I have arimidex, clomid and letrozole available.

How would I set it up? I’m a fan of slow and easy, closely monitoring blood work and side effects and going from there.

Anything I should absolutely try and add extra?

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So basically I want to know if it would be a problem for someone to use only 12.5mcg per day (going up to 25mcg if everything is going well).

And to do it for only 2 weeks at the end of the cutting phase. Hence why my question regarding minimum dose and minimum time to be on it.

Would it be ok to be on 12.5 for the first week, 25mcg for the second week and then come off from 25mcg or would it be better to go back down to 12.5 for a few days at least before the end?

Would it be ok after this I mentioned, to take a 1 week or 2 break and go back on it for a while more if necessary according to how things are progressing?

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[quote]thor159 wrote:
Is there any problem in taking T3 while raking as well yohimbine or ECA? I know that with clen it’s normal.

Is there any minimum time someone should be on t3 before stopping it to avoid messing with its natural production? For example, would it be a problem to take it for 2 weeks, have a 2 weeks break and then go back on it.

And… what to do/take after stopping takingnit to help restore natural production?[/quote]

No problem to take yohimbe or ECA with t3. These are more stimulant based and t3 is working on your thyroid gland, they have a synergetic effect in the fat burning process so it can be a good idea if you know what you’re doing.

I wouldn’t say there’s a minimum time to stay on t3 but it’s VERY IMPORTANT to taper up and taper down. I wouldn’t increase more than 25mcg every week (12.5 would be more advisable). When you decide to taper down from your peak dose, take 3-4 weeks to slowly taper it back down depending on how high your dose was.
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So basically I want to know if it would be a problem for someone to use only 12.5mcg per day (going up to 25mcg if everything is going well). And to do it for only 2 weeks at the end of the cutting phase. Hence why my question regarding minimum dose and minimum time to be on it.Â

Would it be ok to be on 12.5 for the first week, 25mcg for the second week and then come off from 25mcg or would it be better to go back down to 12.5 for a few days at least before the end? Would it be ok after this I mentioned, to take a 1 week or 2 break and go back on it for a while more if necessary according to how things are progressing?

*sorry, wanted to have quoted it before but ended up sending the same as a random question.

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Shadow Pro,
First this is a great thread. Two questions for you.

      1.  I know you only use/recommend pharm grade HGH.  What about oils and orals?
      2. I am 42yrs old and have been training since I was 15yrs old.  However, in the last few years there has been very little lifting going on.  I am ready to hit the gym hard again and was wondering how long I should wait to start a cycle.  I have done several basic test cycles in the past and have included Adex and Hcg along with a proper PCT.

Thanks.

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Hi Shadow Pro,

Would 10 mg of Var for a 18yr old female who is trying to lose the last little of fat for a physique competition in August be beneficial?

I have been on Anavar 10mg for 16 days now. Drastic changes within the 10 days of taking. I have no side effects at all.
I lift heavy 5 days a week. 45 min fasted cardio 7 days a week.
Transitioning into a keto diet for the remainder of the time until my shows.

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Holy shit you guys are writing me books! I can’t sit here all day long, I have work to do too!! :slight_smile:
Please read the thread because I’m seeing a lot of repeat questions and try to keep questions at 5 per post (tops) and I’ll be able to answer everybody else faster. There’s only one of me and a lot of you guys so be considerate so I can get around to everyone.

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[quote]mcs2012 wrote:
Again, appreciate the advice!

1.Do you believe that for some people, it is possible that they are largely inhibited by genetics in that they cannot either build muscle or lose bodyfat due to something called anabolic resistance so that neither diet nor training will make much of a difference and serious chemical gear is the only avenue if even that? Here is a link to an anecdotal report from someone who seems to fit that mold: Box

The reason I bring this up is that I fear I might fall into this category. At 5-7, my fat-free mass is only 125-130lbs which means I am carrying in pure fat about the equivalent of one 45lb plate! Do I qualify as skinny fat then? I look fine in clothes. No one in a million years would guess even 20% bf, let alone 25%. I just do not have much in the way of muscle no matter what I have tried to do diet-wise or training all these years. If I consume more calories, I will gain a 2-3 times more fat than lean muscle mass.

Is that normal? Or do you think that is primarily b.s. and although genetics definitely play a role, they are NOT the end of the world in achieving goals as long as they are realistic, as not everyone can be a IFBB pro no matter how hard they train, diet, and implement the best state-of-the-art in gear and supps. I am concerned I will forever be stuck at 20+% bf and hardly any lean mass no matter what I try to do. Thoughts?

  1. When doing a serious dieting down/cutting/calorie restriction, I am assuming protein is still the most crucial macro to keep at adequate levels to maintain a PNB and therefore LBM. Do you agree the basic rule in my particular case where I am not on AAS and dieting down, the daily protein intake should be no more than 1g/lb of LBM and NOT bodyweight? So that means about 130g/day.

  2. I agree about starting GH as opposed to T right now for more than one reason, although I know with some guys water retention is a problem with it as well, but I would question their diet. Mine is low carb. Also, a trusted buddy of mine has access to pharm-grade Serostim. Price: $650/126iu kit. That comes to $5.15/iu. Not bad for pharm-grade, right? He also can get Hygetropin which is a lot cheaper, but I question the potency, etc. Thoughts between the two?

I keep hearing that pharm-grade Serostim is hands-down the best. Do you think it will help with tendonitis and joint issues as well as leaning out and adding some size? Also, one question I do have on T is whether test e would be a better choice than cyp for less bloat. Some think so, others say no difference since ester is the same. Your thoughts? Or just forget T for now and use OTC boosters like AlphaMale?

  1. When you suggested not to do any fasting days, are you meaning no calorie restriction as in no more than 25% of my maintenance days? That is the only way I had been losing weight/fat up to now. Once I took a break and started just eating less kcals/day, I leveled off and am stuck. I think with me, I cannot expect to lose any further weight unless I do a severe calorie restriction eod. That really worked for me more than increasing cardio. The trick is to keep the protein intake high enough. Hard to do on yhe days I restrict to 500-600 kcals.

  2. I would assume I cannot expect to recomp until I am @ 15% bf or less, correct?

  3. Will try out Indigo-3G. What about Micro-PA as well?

  4. I agree with what you say regarding my supp regimen. Since the supps I use so have definite targeted needs, I need to develop a way in which to cycle certain ones that I do not need day in day out.

  5. I know you say the increase in the cardio will not cause loss of muscle, but with that much exercise, less kcals, and only one day/week for rest, I would be concerned over risk of overtraining and more injuries, especially when on the same days as training. And sometimes, I just do not have the energy to do both on the same day. After all, I am no longer in my 20s, I am in my 50s. Thoughts?[/quote]

  6. I think this study you showed me is BS. I’m getting the impression that you are trying to make excuses not to work hard and find an easy way out. Yes, genetics play a role and not everybody can be IFBB pros but you are just trying to look like a normal dude at a decent bodyfat level. To make a statement that you’ll always be stuck at 20% bf is absurd, trust me this is not the case. Start putting in the work and don’t be lazy.

  7. Yes, for you 170-200g/day of protein would be a good start. (130 is too low) in your case this will be the main source of your calories

  8. Yes, that’s a great price… Expect your mailbox to start filling up with inquiries NOW! Haha
    GH will help burn the bodyfat and help with your tendonitis. Forget about any kind of testosterone right now and just use AlphaMale. Not much difference between test-e and test-c. I would only use pharma GH, nothing else… And you have a perfectly good source so I wouldn’t touch anything else. You keep worrying about muscle mass, your primary goal is to lose fat so this is the last thing you need to worry about. Concentrate on this only, you can gain the muscle you want later.

  9. In your diet you need to be in a calorie deficit in all 7 days of the week. Your diet is all over the place and needs more structure, as a general guideline keep your protein high, fat low and carbohydrates moderate to low depending on the training days. My feeling is that you just aren’t training hard enough as long as your macros are right and you are in a calorie deficit you will burn fat… The equation is simple, you need to be burning a lot more calories than you consume and this will take you to a lower bodyfat (your diet must be on point) to restrict your calories to 500-600calories a day is stupid, my 2 year old niece eats more than that. Do your damn cardio and train harder in the gym, don’t starve yourself.

  10. 15, preferably 12.

  11. Micro-pa can help you as well in retaining your current muscle (I see this is an issue to you) so take the micro-pa and start up the cardio that I mentioned. This will help your overall body composition.

  12. Ok

  13. I don’t like to help lazy people, I know plenty of people in their 50’s who have a full 6 pack and are stronger than most 20 year olds I know. You asked me for my advice and I gave it to you… If you have concerns and don’t want to go with my suggestions then you can continue doing what you’re doing but apparently it’s not working so well for you. You don’t need to worry about overtraining, you need to worry about under training. If you don’t have energy to do cardio and train in the same day your option is to stay fat. I have a 45 year old female competitor (natural) with hip replacements, 3 kids, a full time job and she still trains and does cardio everyday while maintaining a 10% bodyfat and she hasn’t been blessed with any sort of genetics either. It’s purely your decision, your goal can easily be met and it’s up to you to accomplish it. If you don’t know how to train correctly to prevent injuries you need to hire a coach, not everything in life is easy or free.

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[quote]pritorian wrote:
Thanks for you help SP! Highly appreciated!

I do have a secondary question, and it is regarding female athletes, so it might be out of your spectrum of knowledge.

How do you ensure that a woman is able to avoid any of the hormonal side effect of their menstrual cycle, like bloating etc when they have back to back shows that span over two and three weeks.

My girlfriend is looking into competing this spring(Bikni, so no AAS), and we have not really gotten any good information about this yet, she is using the pill, and can manipulate timing some, but not without side effects.

Thanks again!
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It really depends on how low her bodyfat will be. Some bikini competitors don’t get their period simply because the bodyfat is very low. I wouldn’t suggest manipulating with the pills, if she is purposely skipping her period this will usually cause more bloating than her actually getting her period.

I am not a female… So I have no personal experience with this and it usually varies from client to client of mine.