[quote]Andyw wrote:
Hi, thanks for the thread, some great information.
My question is this…I am including 0.25g of adex EOD in my cycle (500mg test per week), dbol first 4 weeks, and am experiencing lots of pain in my elbows after 5 weeks. Could I drop the adex to see if this helps? No excess estrogen symptoms at all.
Thanks[/quote]
Drop the Arimidex to take away the joint pain and in its place add 10mg of nolvadex to keep safe.
[quote]volleyballer13 wrote:
Shadow Pro,
I read above where you said that most times acne is a result of “dirty” gear, so I have a question for you. I am not pursuing competition, but we all want to look good or we wouldn’t be bodybuilding. I get really bad “nodule” acne on my back, and hips. I only run 250mg of test-c per week and use .75mg adex per week. Any ideas what might be causing my acne? I am 44 and on TRT, so I am sure that my gear is clean.
Also, the recommendation you gave to the 45 year old trying to get back into shape without RX. Would you recommend the same to someone like me? Also trying to get back in better shape after a long injury/surgery layoff. Just for reference, you suggested Indigo-3g, MAG-10, and HOT-ROX.
Thanks for any help.[/quote]
The acne is a common side effect for people who are prone to the acne problem. Some people have breakouts regardless of whether they are taking anything or not. In the case of dirty gear it would be for someone who suddenly has a problem sprout up suddenly due to something they are taking. If it’s something you have from trt I can only assume you are sensitive to it and is just a side effect that you’ll have while you are using. If it’s not a huge distraction you can keep doing your trt doses but if you prefer to go a natural route you can do it through supplementation as well.
Something along these lines for supplement use can help you as well, but you need to tell me about your goal so I can suggest accordingly. If your goal is to burn fat then these 3 will be my first choice. What is your bodyfat percentage now? If you can post a picture and your current diet that would be great.
[quote]TokenB wrote:
Hi, quick question regarding nutrition, in particular beef protein.
My diet, due to having zero appetite whilst on a heavy cycle is horrendous.
Pretty much my entire diet is made up from whey protein isolate, casein, whole raw eggs, MCT oil, oats, dextrose and the occasional chicken breast or lean mince beef.
My appetite is shot. I use a superfoods supplement & multi vit too plus a vast array of supplements.
But I am making progress better than ever before. My question is would using beef protein make much of a difference, purely from a variety point if view, due to a different (if any) amino acid profile?
Thanks[/quote]
I am a big fan of red meat and I think it’s an important source of protein. Even if you can eat it once a day it will be beneficial for you instead of one of your other protein meals… Just make sure it’s a lean cut. Is that hydrolyzed casein you are using(MAG-10)? If not, that is the first thing you need to look into… It’s a very high quality protein and you will benefit a lot from this… Also it’s very easy to consume and tastes good for someone who has no appetite.
Just curious? Why are you using dextrose?
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]TokenB wrote:
Hi, quick question regarding nutrition, in particular beef protein.
My diet, due to having zero appetite whilst on a heavy cycle is horrendous.
Pretty much my entire diet is made up from whey protein isolate, casein, whole raw eggs, MCT oil, oats, dextrose and the occasional chicken breast or lean mince beef.
My appetite is shot. I use a superfoods supplement & multi vit too plus a vast array of supplements.
But I am making progress better than ever before. My question is would using beef protein make much of a difference, purely from a variety point if view, due to a different (if any) amino acid profile?
Thanks[/quote]
I am a big fan of red meat and I think it’s an important source of protein. Even if you can eat it once a day it will be beneficial for you instead of one of your other protein meals… Just make sure it’s a lean cut. Is that hydrolyzed casein you are using(MAG-10)? If not, that is the first thing you need to look into… It’s a very high quality protein and you will benefit a lot from this… Also it’s very easy to consume and tastes good for someone who has no appetite.
Just curious? Why are you using dextrose?
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The only time I’m using dextrose is pre/intra/post, due to insulin use.
The casein I’m using is micellar casein 85%.
My thoughts on using beef protein was that it would be a different kind of protein (albeit in powdered form) to add to my diet instead of primarily only using whey isolate and casein.
Whenever I can stomach chicken or red meat I do, but I’m lucky if it’s once a day, usually in the afternoon a couple of hours before I lift.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
Weird HGH question. Have had a recent discussion for its use in power lifting. It was recommended for me to use 2-3iu Monday-Friday. Supposedly at this dose would allow for mainly nothing more than increased recovery and MAYBE increased fat loss. Does this seem like a reasonable way to use the drug. Would allow a kit or 2 to really stretch on for a while. May be a very modest dose but speaking strictly for injury recovery and prevention would this make any sense.[/quote]
I would suggest 3-4 (preferably 4) and with 4iu it will be guaranteed to help with fat loss and recovery as well as helping any nagging injuries. I would do a protocol of 6 on 1 off of worst case scenario 3 days on 1 day off. 1 day off won’t hurt you at this dose but 2 days a week might be stretching it. Make sure you are doing the GH on a semi empty stomach 40 min before workout and always on your training days. [/quote]
Hmmmm… Well that sucks. My source exact words they 100iu Kits have to be mixed with B. Water Blue Tops out of China… So now with what your saying I shouldnt even touch the stuff. No idea where or how to get any other so I guess Im back at looking at standard peptides again.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]TokenB wrote:
Hi, quick question regarding nutrition, in particular beef protein.
My diet, due to having zero appetite whilst on a heavy cycle is horrendous.
Pretty much my entire diet is made up from whey protein isolate, casein, whole raw eggs, MCT oil, oats, dextrose and the occasional chicken breast or lean mince beef.
My appetite is shot. I use a superfoods supplement & multi vit too plus a vast array of supplements.
But I am making progress better than ever before. My question is would using beef protein make much of a difference, purely from a variety point if view, due to a different (if any) amino acid profile?
Thanks[/quote]
I am a big fan of red meat and I think it’s an important source of protein. Even if you can eat it once a day it will be beneficial for you instead of one of your other protein meals… Just make sure it’s a lean cut. Is that hydrolyzed casein you are using(MAG-10)? If not, that is the first thing you need to look into… It’s a very high quality protein and you will benefit a lot from this… Also it’s very easy to consume and tastes good for someone who has no appetite.
Just curious? Why are you using dextrose?
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I’m using dextrose only pre/intra/post due to insulin use and how cheap it is.
The casein is micellar 85%.
My thinking with the beef protein (albeit in powdered form) would be it would be something different than just whey isolate and casein. Whenever I can, usually lunch time (a couple if hours after cardio, and a couple of hours before weights) I eat chicken or red meat. Any other time of the day is a huge struggle, hence my over reliance on shakes and raw whole eggs.
Thanks
This thread is awesome, signed up just to participate.
Shadow pro, in your experience do gains from a certain dosage eventually plateau based on a time frame or just once a user reaches a certain size? Let’s say someone who is a newb to steroids starts cutting with a certain dose, and makes no size gains because of a calorie deficit, but then after finishing the cut the decide to bulk staying on the same dose throughout (let’s say 16 weeks cutting before transitioning into a bulk) would that person see any substantial size gains at the same dose of drugs or would it require a break/change of drugs?
Hi, thanks for all the info so far, really interesting stuff.
I’m an Olympic weightlifter and I have a friend who does it too who is contemplating trying a cycle. His plan is to do purely test suspension and he seems to think that’s adequate and that he also won’t need to worry about any sides. I’ve told him that the cycle might be a bit too basic and that he really should at least have some anti estrogen on hand just in case.
For a pure strength athlete who needs to be able to pass drug tests at least in competition is test suspension by itself sufficient? With the relatively low doses do you think anti estrogens are necessary? My knowledge of steroids is poor at best, but his isn’t any better so I’m just a bit worried he’s going to do something stupid.
hey bro Thanks for signing up here! I have a question on water bloat/cutting. No matter how I try my stomach always stays distended and bloated I feel like im holding water. I have gone 6-7 weeks drinking nothing but water, clean food, low carbs 4-6 meals a day, cardio 3-5 time a week on top of my job which is also physical, and my stomach seems to stay the same size according to the tape measure.
I know cutting takes a while (12 weeks at least) but in 6-7 weeks i should have lost at least 1.5 inches off my waist or something like that. The only thing that changes is that i lose strength and size but my waistline is always the same. I cant tell u how frustrating it is. One guy pm’ed me on another message board and said its all about estrogen control he told me he had the same problem, he said to run nolvadex 20mg a day to cut estrogen down and 12.5 mg of aromasin eod to kill the estrogen so I dont get a rebound.
what do you think bro? sorry about the poem here I don’t know what else to do, Im currently 205 5’9’’ 19% bf or so. I must add that my leanest was when I was on test enant and proviron @ 75mg a day and also during pct using nolvadex my waist shrunk a lot. I havent been ON in 3 years.
Would switching up different compounds like Masteron P and Tren Ace every 3 weeks be beneficial or even advisable.
Wow, just read all 22 pages and every single word
Shadow, one question regarding AAS and one regarding non AAS…
Currently I’m practicing getting stage lean with a coach, I’m making great progress and just broke under the 10% BF threshold. Stated cutting at 5’5", 160 lbs and now 153-154 through 5 weeks. Started at around 11-12%, keeping all my strength thus far and have even hit some PR’s. I’m 22 as well, did a mock power lifting meet with my partner and got 315/275/405 for Squat / Bench / Deadlift at 154. My goal is to see how my body reacts getting to 5-7% BF and then going on a long term bulk and compete at the end of 2015, or beginning of 2016.
My maintenance calories are around 2,600, and my macros right now are: 2,200 cals, 50F, 275C and 160P… started at 400g C in the beginning of the cut. Refeed is 2,800, 45F, 450C, and 150P. It’s been the most successful cut i’ve ever had and finally got over my fear of carbs lol. Cardio is LISS 3x20 minute sessions.
My question regarding non AAS is pretty simple, surprised no one asked it, unless I missed it:
I can’t train with food in my stomach at all, i get very queasy. So I guess you can say I fast until my workout, although i just started having 2 rice cakes for 14g CHO about 30 mins pre wo, then 10g BCAA 15 mins pre, and then intra another 7.5g EAA. Afterwards is my largest meal, usually <10g F (Trace sources), 175g CHO, and about 50P. About 2-3 hours later is another low fat, mod carb, and higher protein meal and then before bed I consume most of my fats and another large amount of protein.
So my question is this optimal? Can I still continue to make good progress with such minimal amount of food pre workout? Intra workout carb drinks tend to make me feel sick too, i’ve tried Plazma, malto, dextrose, gatorade, everything. Karbolyn, etc and i end up having to sell it all. In a perfect world, what would be your pre workout nutrition?
My second question, in regards to AAS:
In college a friend offered me anavar, and stupidly i decided to take it. didn’t do any research, ran anavar at 19 for 6 weeks. no pct, quit cold turkey. never had issues with libido or anything, thank god.
another stupid decision, and just did as older teammates on my college baseball team suggested, ran another cycle at 20, for 14 weeks of anavar at 40mg daily… pct was Nolva at 20/20/10/10, Erase and DAA at 3g daily. Again no issues, actually made ridiculous progress after Tommy John Surgery… went from 133 to 155 in 14 weeks and leaned out to about 11-12% BF, feint abs showing. Dieted like a retard, and lost essentially everything, became a carbophobe as well, and now i’m here where i am.
libido is fine, have ran one prohormone cycle of DMZ for 5 weeks and pct was on point… clomid/nolva, formestane, and kept most of my gains. its been about 4 months since PCT, and I want to wait until after i bulk naturally and hit a plateau before I cycle, but was wondering what you think of this cycle, probably about a year after any AAS or maybe another couple of months after PCTing from a 5-6 week oral PH cycle again (Haven’t decided on that):
Test E @ 500mg/week (1-14)
Kick Start w/ DMZ (prohormone, at 45mg for weeks 1-4)
Winni at 50mg for weeks 13-16)
PCT: Torem (120/90/60/30)
Nolva: 40/20/20/10
Armidex as an AI, dose I’ll play with
So would you recommend this cycle, alot of planning has gone into it? Nervous about pinning but i’ll get over it. have a pharma grade connection thank god, although past SERM use has been from UL’s, luckily with success. PLan on getting blood work in July before i head out to vacation and after my cut to 5-7% is finished.
Again long term goal is compete in 2015 or 2016, after adding more mass. i’m proud of how far i’ve come (broke my femur twice, got fat at 189, then dropped to 130 in 6 months of ddieting before college) but really wanna take this to the next level. i’m an ambitious little pr*ck so to speak lol very determined. diet is meticulously tracked, only cook for myself, and count everything. don’t need cheat meals, cause when you can make chocolate protein waffles or bake a snicker doodle protein cake, or cook mexican style dishes like a pro i don’t need them lol
Also, what are your opinions of SARM’s such as ostarine?
Thanks so much for the info and for your time, it’s guys like you that truly make a difference and prevent others from doing stupid shit like what i did 
I’m 30 years old, 5+ years of serious training. I have low test (249 last) so been on TRT for over a year now at 200mg Test C every week (I do 100mg every 3.5 days). Few questions:
24 hrs after my Test C. my blood levels test at “too high to read” which means over 1500. I just wonder how useful could 300-400mg be really? Is there still a difference depending on how high you push your levels even though they are supraphysiological?
Ever since before TRT, but certainly since my skin, mostly back and chest have been horrible. Terrible acne everywhere. I have tried every cream (benzyl peroxide), oil, clay I can imagine. How do the pros manage to look like they have such perfect skin? Is there anything I don’t know of that can help? (Please don’t say Accutane)
If someone on TRT would slowly want to make more gains, could I start experimenting with low dose Tren? I’ve also done peptides but as you concluded I cannot determine whether there are really any results. I would love HGH but I have not found a reliable source yet.
Thanks in advance, this thread is pure gold!
Sorry to bother you, but could you offer me some advice on what to use on my First Cycle. I’m 40 years old, 6’3" 235lbs and 8-9% bodyfat with a 31-32 inch waist. My blood pressure is 120/80 with no health issues. I’ve been training for a long time as a former high school and college athlete.My goal is to use the absolute minimum to grow, increase my size and strength on the core lifts, and keep the sides LOW.
I weight train 5 times a week, perform weighted body weight movements, and do cardio 6-7 times a week. Call it vain but, staying lean with abs and a square jaw are VERY important to me at this stage in my life.
If I had to put a number out there, my goal is to add 10-12lbs of Lean Body Mass. I want to stay on dry side without alot of water bloat/bloof. I have access to everything except Primo and GH. Since I’m 40 years old,I plan on staying on after the cycle is over on a self-administered TRT dose( Test E 125mgs/wk). What do you recommend? 250-300mgs of Test E alone? 250-300mgs for of Test E/300mgs of EQ? 250-300mgs of Test E/300mgs of Masteron E? For 16-20 weeks… Thanks in advance for your help, sir!!
[quote]doom44 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]doom44 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]doom44 wrote:
Thanks for the reply shadow.
What’s the longer cycle length that you can safely run? Might to give me a sample layout ?
I’m just finish a show 1 1/2 month ago. Now going to bulking .
My stats
Height : 5’ 7
Weight : 168
Bf : 12%
Thanks.
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I would say 12-16 weeks is a decent length for a cycle for your off season. How many cycles have you done previously? (And what were they) how many shows have you done? Years of training? What’s your plan for your off season diet?
Also, if I may ask… Why are you already at 12% bf 1.5 months after a show? I’m assuming you’re doing bodybuilding? You should be pretty lean still and I wouldn’t expect you to be over 12% even in the off season.
Please post a picture and this info so I can see where the starting point is and give you an appropriate layout.[/quote]
I’m not sure my body fat is 12% or not. Just guessing. Lol
I have 4 years plus training experience.
Have done 2 cycles before.
Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
Arimidex 0.25mg 1-8 weeks
Pct : novaldex and clomid 40/100,20/50,20/50,20/50
Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
Tren A 100mg eod 1-8 weeks
Arimidex 0.5mg eod 1-8 weeks
Pct same as cycle one.
My diet is high in carbs: 4000calories
Carbs 60%
Protein 25%
Fat 15%
I have high metabolic that’s the reason why I eat that much .
Thanks
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Well thank you for posting a picture!! Dude, you are a horrible guesser… You are still in great condition which is exactly how you should be after a show, this is closer to 6%
You are at the perfect point to do a rebound phase and gain some quality new muscle. I’m going to suggest you go into a 12 week cycle before you take time off.
This would be my best option for you now:
Sustanon@ 600-750mg/week
Tren-e@ 400mg/week
EQ@400mg/week
Nolva@20mg Every day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day.
This is going to give you a huge jump in both strength and size, it’s a medium dosage. If you want you could also throw in some oral tbol @ 50mg/day (for the first 6 weeks)
You’re going to gain a lot of good quality muscle from this, your body is in a perfect position for this phase so train your ass off for 12 weeks and then take some time off the juice. I will help you with pct when the time comes.
Thanks again for posting a picture, it helps me out a lot!
*THIS IS WHY I KEEP SUGGESTING YOU GUYS/GIRLS POST PHOTOS FOR ME, I CAN’T HELP PEOPLE IF DON’T KNOW WHAT IM WORKING WITH. IF HE DIDN’T POST THIS PHOTO THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER SUGGEST THIS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS INFO.
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Hi shadow, will you mind to help me with pct first ? So that I can have all the gears that I need in hand . Just in case. Thanks again.[/quote]
For pct, have clomid on hand… Do 2 weeks @100mg and 2 weeks @ 50mg. Bump the HCG up to every other day @ 500iu for 3 weeks. Keep the nolva @20mg until you are finished. Start AlphaMale after clomid until you are finished 2 full bottles.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]tortellini3 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
I’m a big believer in carbs and I think that you can slowly build up tolerance over time and eventually you’ll be able to have more in your diet. It doesn’t happen overnight and you need to give it time. You will have to be willing to accept that you’ll have a bit of extra water retention to begin with but this will only be in the beginning. In the long run it will help you to get better gains and have a more sane lifestyle.
I’ll keep it simple: give this a try.
Lower your fat to about 40-50g daily (coming from red meat meals or mct oils)
Carbs - start daily at 125g and then every 5 days increase it by 25g/day.(2/3 of carbs intraworkout from Plazma) ingesting your carbs while you train will insure that your body is soaking them up and using them to recover and build muscle. By timing them like this, the chances of gaining fat are very little. Keep increasing the carbs every 5 days as long as you don’t see any fat gains. If you do, stop there and let your body adjust to this amount. Could be 300, could be 600… Very individual.
Protein- keep the same for now.
If you have to spend your money on 1 supplement ONLY I would say in your case to buy Plazma.
Add 2 sessions of HIIT, it will help speed your metabolism as your body is adjusting to the higher carb diet.
If you want to add a cycle to this, let me know and I’ll add something appropriate.
[/quote]Woah! I have been following this thread since the beginning and didn’t see that reply. My bad. I will give a try to the macros you’ve gave. Still a little bit scared about getting fat. I will try to find a good fat caliper to measure my body fat every week (to see if I should continue to increase my carbs intake, or decrease). I have a very crappy one in plastic they give as a free gift on bodybuilding.com that says I’m 6% with the 3-sites equation…
Regarding steroids, I have to admit that I bought some gear very recently. I read an article of Bill Roberts where he was saying that DBol and Trenbolone were two compounds acting very good together even at low doses each. I wanted to know your opinion about that and also how would you build up a cycle with these quantities:
3x10mL vial at 250mg/mL Test enanthate
2x10mL vial at 200mg/mL Tren enanthate
100 pills at 10mg DBol
100 pills at 25mg Clomid
100 pils at 20mg Nolvadex
10 000IU HCG
oh and I’m also looking to buy some Arimidex since I know I’m prone to gynecomastia (I had little lumps when I did Test months ago). At first I was thinking about doing Test E/Deca/DBol but I thought replacing the Deca by Tren could help having leaner gains (with proper diet of course).
Third question : do you aspire when you pin and do you think it’s a necessity to do it?
Thanks.[/quote]
Do a 9-12 site caliper test, it will give you a more accurate result. If it’s possible go for a dexa scan.
As for your cycle questions, can you please post a picture and what your goals are. I think we may have discussed a bit about this before but it’s lost in the thread somewhere… So quote this if that’s the case. Let me know what you used and how much.
I’ll wait for your response but if it’s only your first or second cycle then I’d wait on the tren.
I always aspirate before any IM injection, better to be safe than sorry.
[/quote]My goals are to gain the maximum lean mass possible, by minimizing bodyfat. I’ll admit that if I am able to correct my symmetry issues (lats, front delts, pecs) and to gain significant mass, I would like to step up on a bodybuilding show (junior lightweight).
Left pictures : 12/11, 160lbs, 17.8% BF
Middle pictures : 04/13, 165lbs
Right pictures : 04/14, 187lbs
(if the picture doesn’t appear, here is a link : Imgur: The magic of the Internet)
I’ve done two “cycles” : first was 4 weeks of Winstrol in caps (lol), and the second one was 500mg/week of Test E and 350mg/week of Winstrol in injectable form. Cycle was something like 8 weeks long. I have never noticed side effects except some lumps that came before I stopped the cycle. I took Nolvadex and they flew away.
What do you think about mixing Tren and DBol together into the same cycle? Oh and I saw that the DBol’s half-life is something like 4 to 6 hours. If I sleep longer than that (8-9 hours), will it affect the process?
Thanks.
I read your article and I couldn’t agree more. In my opinion, just the fact that Jay got 6th and Ramy 8th is a proof on how politics are corrupting this sport.
[quote]TokenB wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]TokenB wrote:
Hi, quick question regarding nutrition, in particular beef protein.
My diet, due to having zero appetite whilst on a heavy cycle is horrendous.
Pretty much my entire diet is made up from whey protein isolate, casein, whole raw eggs, MCT oil, oats, dextrose and the occasional chicken breast or lean mince beef.
My appetite is shot. I use a superfoods supplement & multi vit too plus a vast array of supplements.
But I am making progress better than ever before. My question is would using beef protein make much of a difference, purely from a variety point if view, due to a different (if any) amino acid profile?
Thanks[/quote]
I am a big fan of red meat and I think it’s an important source of protein. Even if you can eat it once a day it will be beneficial for you instead of one of your other protein meals… Just make sure it’s a lean cut. Is that hydrolyzed casein you are using(MAG-10)? If not, that is the first thing you need to look into… It’s a very high quality protein and you will benefit a lot from this… Also it’s very easy to consume and tastes good for someone who has no appetite.
Just curious? Why are you using dextrose?
[/quote]
The only time I’m using dextrose is pre/intra/post, due to insulin use.
The casein I’m using is micellar casein 85%.
My thoughts on using beef protein was that it would be a different kind of protein (albeit in powdered form) to add to my diet instead of primarily only using whey isolate and casein.
Whenever I can stomach chicken or red meat I do, but I’m lucky if it’s once a day, usually in the afternoon a couple of hours before I lift. [/quote]
If you are able to switch the dextrose to Plazma you will benefit greatly from this. I am not sure how much insulin you are using but even with a lower dose of insulin and Plazma in place of dextrose it’s much for efficient, you are shooting yourself in the foot here… It’s something you need to look into especially for someone who has problems with appetite, this is a very good quality nutrition source for someone in your case. There is nothing you can find for pre or intra workout that will substitute this, period! If you can only afford to buy one supplement… This is it.
Powdered form is not the same as eating a steak. If you are going to eat one solid meal a day, choose a lean steak and have it either 2 hours before or 2 hours after your training. Another source of protein to add to your day would be the hydrolyzed casein, it’s the most effective protein as it makes your body absorb other protein sources more efficiently, aids in recovery, does great things for the immune system and tastes good (for people like you that don’t have a big appetite it’s great)
If you add the things I told you then you will have 5 great sources of protein and the best source of pre and intraworkout carbs. (Eggs, steak, casein, whey, hydrolyzed casein) just changing this alone should give you leaner gains, a better pump and faster recovery.
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
Weird HGH question. Have had a recent discussion for its use in power lifting. It was recommended for me to use 2-3iu Monday-Friday. Supposedly at this dose would allow for mainly nothing more than increased recovery and MAYBE increased fat loss. Does this seem like a reasonable way to use the drug. Would allow a kit or 2 to really stretch on for a while. May be a very modest dose but speaking strictly for injury recovery and prevention would this make any sense.[/quote]
I would suggest 3-4 (preferably 4) and with 4iu it will be guaranteed to help with fat loss and recovery as well as helping any nagging injuries. I would do a protocol of 6 on 1 off of worst case scenario 3 days on 1 day off. 1 day off won’t hurt you at this dose but 2 days a week might be stretching it. Make sure you are doing the GH on a semi empty stomach 40 min before workout and always on your training days. [/quote]
Hmmmm… Well that sucks. My source exact words they 100iu Kits have to be mixed with B. Water Blue Tops out of China… So now with what your saying I shouldnt even touch the stuff. No idea where or how to get any other so I guess Im back at looking at standard peptides again.
[/quote]
Sorry to hear that I just don’t want to see you throw your money away to the garbage. Just keep looking and eventually you’ll find something good… It’s definitely out there! In the meantime save up. One of the reasons people don’t understand how amazing the benefits are from GH is because most people who think they’ve tried it have never had their hands on the real thing. So it’s best to wait it out and find something legit.
After trying everything in the book, no generic brands ever came remotely close to what real GH does. Some are better than others but nothing even comes close. It’s like comparing Phil Heath to Bostin Lloyd.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]doom44 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]doom44 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]doom44 wrote:
Thanks for the reply shadow.
What’s the longer cycle length that you can safely run? Might to give me a sample layout ?
I’m just finish a show 1 1/2 month ago. Now going to bulking .
My stats
Height : 5’ 7
Weight : 168
Bf : 12%
Thanks.
[/quote]
I would say 12-16 weeks is a decent length for a cycle for your off season. How many cycles have you done previously? (And what were they) how many shows have you done? Years of training? What’s your plan for your off season diet?
Also, if I may ask… Why are you already at 12% bf 1.5 months after a show? I’m assuming you’re doing bodybuilding? You should be pretty lean still and I wouldn’t expect you to be over 12% even in the off season.
Please post a picture and this info so I can see where the starting point is and give you an appropriate layout.[/quote]
I’m not sure my body fat is 12% or not. Just guessing. Lol
I have 4 years plus training experience.
Have done 2 cycles before.
Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
Arimidex 0.25mg 1-8 weeks
Pct : novaldex and clomid 40/100,20/50,20/50,20/50
Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
Tren A 100mg eod 1-8 weeks
Arimidex 0.5mg eod 1-8 weeks
Pct same as cycle one.
My diet is high in carbs: 4000calories
Carbs 60%
Protein 25%
Fat 15%
I have high metabolic that’s the reason why I eat that much .
Thanks
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Well thank you for posting a picture!! Dude, you are a horrible guesser… You are still in great condition which is exactly how you should be after a show, this is closer to 6%
You are at the perfect point to do a rebound phase and gain some quality new muscle. I’m going to suggest you go into a 12 week cycle before you take time off.
This would be my best option for you now:
Sustanon@ 600-750mg/week
Tren-e@ 400mg/week
EQ@400mg/week
Nolva@20mg Every day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day.
This is going to give you a huge jump in both strength and size, it’s a medium dosage. If you want you could also throw in some oral tbol @ 50mg/day (for the first 6 weeks)
You’re going to gain a lot of good quality muscle from this, your body is in a perfect position for this phase so train your ass off for 12 weeks and then take some time off the juice. I will help you with pct when the time comes.
Thanks again for posting a picture, it helps me out a lot!
*THIS IS WHY I KEEP SUGGESTING YOU GUYS/GIRLS POST PHOTOS FOR ME, I CAN’T HELP PEOPLE IF DON’T KNOW WHAT IM WORKING WITH. IF HE DIDN’T POST THIS PHOTO THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER SUGGEST THIS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS INFO.
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Hi shadow, will you mind to help me with pct first ? So that I can have all the gears that I need in hand . Just in case. Thanks again.[/quote]
For pct, have clomid on hand… Do 2 weeks @100mg and 2 weeks @ 50mg. Bump the HCG up to every other day @ 500iu for 3 weeks. Keep the nolva @20mg until you are finished. Start AlphaMale after clomid until you are finished 2 full bottles.
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nice !!! and after the pct how long should i take off? what’s your advice?
So I know that we are in the Steroids section but I has having another question, juste by curiosity : what are your thoughts on the German Volume Training by Poliquin ? Have you ever tried it ?
[quote]Throne_of_fire wrote:
This thread is awesome, signed up just to participate.
Shadow pro, in your experience do gains from a certain dosage eventually plateau based on a time frame or just once a user reaches a certain size? Let’s say someone who is a newb to steroids starts cutting with a certain dose, and makes no size gains because of a calorie deficit, but then after finishing the cut the decide to bulk staying on the same dose throughout (let’s say 16 weeks cutting before transitioning into a bulk) would that person see any substantial size gains at the same dose of drugs or would it require a break/change of drugs?[/quote]
Welcome aboard to our fun house. Assuming your diet and training are 100% (this is always a big IF for most people) if you are on a certain dose of a substance you will eventually plateau in some timeframe, when you reach this plateau then it is time to increase the dosage. Certain people will get a lot more out of a low dose(genetic freaks, people who have maximized their potential naturally and people who have a solid training and diet base) and other people will have to increase their dosages in order to get similar gains.
As for the scenario you described, there is a big chance that you can still grow without increasing the dosage. There will be an effect from the rebound phase. Every time you are dieting and then go straight into a gaining phase your insulin sensitivity is much higher, therefore it’s a great point for your body to start gaining new muscle. You won’t necessarily need to change the dose but you might want to change the compounds to something more suitable for a gaining phase. (You don’t have to but if you’re going into a 16 week gaining phase you might want to switch to long esters)