Pussification of Men and Violent Women

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
ok i’m going through some shit right now, so pre-worned. and been drinkin’. ok my thoughts, women should be by their man, come from our rib for christ sakes. well if you dont believe that then we have a dick and they have the vagina which it fits in. oh man i am fucked on t his one. ok women started getting power(money, jobs, social status) when they should be by their man. when i love a woman i would die for her, honestly die for her, if there was a situation where our life was on the line i would claaw, scratch, bite, stab, and shoot a motherfucker before i let him hurt MY wpman.

now being a divorsed dad of a daughrt i feel the same way to her but only more intense. if a man puts his hands on her(no matter what the senario is…she could kill his dog, rabit, or hamster) i dontgive a fuck! if a man or boy or woman for that matter if anyone ever put their haands on my daughtr in a violent way, i will fuck them up and probably kill them. same as my woman. i am pretty sure my daughter already knows this even though i have never told her that. i think she relizes i would die for her in a heart beat just like i would for my lover.

so here is the deal…oh man i am in touble, but have to say it. women know they have a man somewhere in their life that would honestly die for them, they know that it doesnt matter what they do, that 1 man at least has their back no-matter what. i think a woman should have her freedom in a way, but i think she should also be her man’s woman when she finds the one she loves. i mean when there is love between a woman and a man she should treat him as if he is her master in a way…he should never hurt her and protect her with his life…she should 100% know in her heart that her man will die for her, and in return give her entire body, mind, and soul to that man she loves therefor making her HIS WOMAN.

i am sorry if i offened any women on this site, but it is T-Nation and i believe women should be their man’s woman, and man should protect and provide for his lover, even if it means giving up his own life. [/quote]

I think we should also trade cattle for a woman’s hand in marriage, as well. You didn’t really offend anyone, you just made yourself look like a complete goon, and I bet you if you ask TC, or if you use that brain of yours and go and read a couple Atomic Dog columns, you would find that as a general consensus, T-Nation doesn’t endorse one iota of that insecure bullshit you spouted.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

I live about an hour away LOL.
But really, I work with a lot of gay guys, some are flaming so much it hurts my eyes, but this is the extent of unmanliness I see.
There are some douchebags in my gym but they are all like 15, the rest of the guys there look pretty masculine to me.
I just don’t see it, maybe this is more prevalent in the states?[/quote]

I mean the city, if you want to see the full frontal pussification of men and angry women, indeed, it is in Manhattan.

They sell leashes for men at costco!
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I live in Queens, 20 minutes from Manhattan, and even less travel time away from neighborhoods filled with anything but pussies. Even in my tree-lined, middle-class town of Bayside, although having some sedate and dull men, there is no shortage of cops, firemen, and former badboys and brawlers that won’t hesitate to stand up for themselves.

I don’t see how Manhattan is home to a large amount of pussies considering that Manhattan is home to industries (finance, medicine, academia, advertising, PR, journalism, marketing) in which laziness, indecisiveness, and timidness are especially detrimental to success. Are you referring to pussies in a romantic sense? I’ve seldom seen men who run shit in the work place but lay back in in their romantic and social lives. Actually, most of the men I know who are particularly cunning (and even in some cases low level psychopathic) sought to move to and/or attend school in Manhattan to use those traits to the full extent.

I know you’re speaking in general terms, but it also depends on what neighborhoods in Manhattan. Not too many pussies in Washington Heights.

And most don’t care how big someone’s muscles and bench are. :slight_smile: [/quote]

Ok ok, I’ll narrow it down to BELOW 100th st. and above wall st.

I dunno man, i know many of the types you’ve listed above, and it seems to me like women date em, get fed up with em’ and leave em for another man. Rampant is a better word than common, i think, for that area.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

I live about an hour away LOL.
But really, I work with a lot of gay guys, some are flaming so much it hurts my eyes, but this is the extent of unmanliness I see.
There are some douchebags in my gym but they are all like 15, the rest of the guys there look pretty masculine to me.
I just don’t see it, maybe this is more prevalent in the states?[/quote]

I mean the city, if you want to see the full frontal pussification of men and angry women, indeed, it is in Manhattan.

They sell leashes for men at costco!
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I live in Queens, 20 minutes from Manhattan, and even less travel time away from neighborhoods filled with anything but pussies. Even in my tree-lined, middle-class town of Bayside, although having some sedate and dull men, there is no shortage of cops, firemen, and former badboys and brawlers that won’t hesitate to stand up for themselves.

I don’t see how Manhattan is home to a large amount of pussies considering that Manhattan is home to industries (finance, medicine, academia, advertising, PR, journalism, marketing) in which laziness, indecisiveness, and timidness are especially detrimental to success. Are you referring to pussies in a romantic sense? I’ve seldom seen men who run shit in the work place but lay back in in their romantic and social lives. Actually, most of the men I know who are particularly cunning (and even in some cases low level psychopathic) sought to move to and/or attend school in Manhattan to use those traits to the full extent.

I know you’re speaking in general terms, but it also depends on what neighborhoods in Manhattan. Not too many pussies in Washington Heights.

And most don’t care how big someone’s muscles and bench are. :slight_smile: [/quote]

Ok ok, I’ll narrow it down to BELOW 100th st. and above wall st.

I dunno man, i know many of the types you’ve listed above, and it seems to me like women date em, get fed up with em’ and leave em for another man. Rampant is a better word than common, i think, for that area.
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Not a big deal dude.

I think I know what you mean though. I don’t think it’s Manhattan men being pussies for the most part, though. Manhattanites in general are socially fickle and flighty and scattered.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

Not a big deal dude.

I think I know what you mean though. I don’t think it’s Manhattan men being pussies for the most part, though. Manhattanites in general are socially fickle and flighty and scattered. [/quote]

Agreed. Social ADHD

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I think the best example of pussification in general was what i experienced about 3 years ago.

I was on the Roosevelt Island Tram, and as we float by the Queensboro bridge, a u-haul truck bursts into flames in the middle of the bridge, right in front of us.

There was about 30 people on the tram, consisting mostly of men. I was the ONLY ONE TO CALL 911 and report it. Everone else seemed to stare like sheep out the window, and then AT ME for dialing 911!

What the Fuck is wrong with these guys? They’d rather watch people potentially die rather than risk any form of help?

Same thing happened the other night. I witnessed a car/motorcycle accident, and everyone around stood by and watched while i was the ONLY ONE to run up to the fallen motorcyclist and see if he was ok. WTF?

Balls Begone

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I think the best example of pussification in general was what i experienced about 3 years ago.

I was on the Roosevelt Island Tram, and as we float by the Queensboro bridge, a u-haul truck bursts into flames in the middle of the bridge, right in front of us.

There was about 30 people on the tram, consisting mostly of men. I was the ONLY ONE TO CALL 911 and report it. Everone else seemed to stare like sheep out the window, and then AT ME for dialing 911!

What the Fuck is wrong with these guys? They’d rather watch people potentially die rather than risk any form of help?

Same thing happened the other night. I witnessed a car/motorcycle accident, and everyone around stood by and watched while i was the ONLY ONE to run up to the fallen motorcyclist and see if he was ok. WTF?

Balls Begone[/quote]

It is curious that you think this is a masculine quality, or a lack of in this case. That is actually pretty offensive.

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To who?

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
To who?[/quote]

Your mom.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

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Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.[/quote]

Bingo, never been hit on by a gay guy, why? I dont go to gay bars. Sometimes I think people fail to look at themselves, if you are always in the center of drama maybe YOU are the problem. [/quote]

You don’t have to go to a gay bar to get hit on by a gay guy. Just go to college or walk down the block or past any theatre…

Or you can be like me and just be DEVILISHLY HANDSOME.[/quote]

I read that but sorry man went to college for 14 years also never been hit on and Zoolander I dont look gay so maybe that is the reason why. [/quote]

“Looking gay” has nothing to do with it. There are a lot of gay guys who have a thing for straight men. Similar to people of other sexual orientations, gay men don’t all have identical taste in what they find attractive.

I don’t look effeminate, yet I’ve been hit on quite a few times by gay dudes. They usually don’t randomly hit on guys, though, as they’re afraid of a negative reaction (ie, a homophobe physically assaulting them)…I’ve also been hit on by quite a few girls, but whatever.

Here’s an example on the gay issue. I was at a movie theater out in the suburbs, nowhere near the gay area of the major city nearby, and I was looking at a movie poster. I had just gotten out of the gym and was wearing shorts & a t-shirt…Behind me, I hear a guy say, in an effeminate voice, “Mmmmm, you look good!”…I go, “Huh?”, and look back. It was a black guy, and he goes, “I meant the movie!”, and he literally skips away while giggling.

Anyway, you have a point about not having yourself in certain locations. That tends to nullify
getting into a given situation, but it’s not foolproof.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “Alpha Male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

Actually spanking ur kids in public is still quite common in some asian society and I would say sometimes it is really quite necessary. I had my fair share of being spanked as a kid and much as I hate to admit it, sometimes it maybe the best way to learn and apprecite certain things.

btw, wats CPS? Child protection scheme?

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Child protection services

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:

[quote]Alpha wrote:
Firstly, let me say that i actually DO respect everyone’s opinion…With that caveat in place, I am going to have to disagree with those of you who say that “Violence is never correct” if you “have intelligence” or “even for self defense”…to me, in the world I work/live in this is about as legit as Justin Beber’s talent.

Next time a terrorist, Hitler, the Unibomber or Ted Bundy is about to end innocent lives, i will be sure to try to talk them down with long words rather than use my big dumb fists to neutralize the threat.

Violent people are real and are searching for people with the above mindset. You guys are the victims…They just better hope that big, strong, “un-intelligent” guys like me are there to stop them before you REALLY decimate them with your devastating insults and cutting witty banter…

Other than that, this has been a very interesting conversation…

Please carry on…i just couldn’t stand by and watch “The people who guard you while you sleep” take these little jabs without addressing it. [/quote]

There is a huge difference between personal, angry domestic violence, which we are discussing in this thread, and the duty of those in the military.

My father was in the Pacific in WWII.
My brother was killed in Vietnam. He was a helicopter pilot.
My son is a Naval Officer.

I never jab the people who guard me while I sleep. I realise all too well the sacrifices they make. [/quote]

Sry to hijack the tread (if I appear to), even though I am not from US nor have my folks or elders took part in any war, I have deep respect for ppl who defend their homes and families with their lives and the family members who have to constantly worry about the safety yet understand an dwilling to up with what their kin is going through.

To me, these are the real “hardcore” ppl

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I have seen this as a female response to male on female violence in the home at a young age. It is a way of making the female feel like she can defend herself. She typically finds a non-aggressive male and uses physical violence to give her some sense of control over her life.

I would (almost) never hit a woman, as I was raised in a family who did not condone it. I did at one point have to use controlled force against a woman, who later confided her physical abuse from her father.

I don’t consider myself pussified, just a gentleman. I consider it an honorable trait, that I am proud of.
Violence toward women is cowardly. Sometimes though we have to do enough to make a point. Anything more is abuse. Control is key for a man or woman. Just love each other.

October Girl, you have one hell of an iquiring mind.

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I grew up watching my mom get the shit beat out of her by her husband at the time so I in no way condone hitting a women. That is how ever a two way street, no women should ever put their hands on a man w/o a damn good reason and those are few. I have very strong views in the topic either way.

That being said, I have been with my girlfriend for 5 years now and in the first year we were together I said something I probably shouldn’t have (don’t remember what) and she felt the need to slap me in front of her friends. It was at this point w/o going into a rage or raising my voice I looked her dead in the face and told her “If you ever hit me again I will slap the holy fuck out of you where you stand.”

Later that night we talked about it and I told her I was sorry for the comment I had made but I meant what I had said and that I would never put my hands on her(unless life of limb) and that I expect the same from her. Some 4 years later I think its safe to say hitting me hasn’t crossed her mind sense.

If you let someone walk over you once, chances are they will make it a habit. That goes for anything in life.

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[quote]Fedor Duchaine wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

[/quote]

Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.[/quote]

Bingo, never been hit on by a gay guy, why? I dont go to gay bars. Sometimes I think people fail to look at themselves, if you are always in the center of drama maybe YOU are the problem. [/quote]

You don’t have to go to a gay bar to get hit on by a gay guy. Just go to college or walk down the block or past any theatre…

Or you can be like me and just be DEVILISHLY HANDSOME.[/quote]

I read that but sorry man went to college for 14 years also never been hit on and Zoolander I dont look gay so maybe that is the reason why. [/quote]

“Looking gay” has nothing to do with it. There are a lot of gay guys who have a thing for straight men. Similar to people of other sexual orientations, gay men don’t all have identical taste in what they find attractive.

I don’t look effeminate, yet I’ve been hit on quite a few times by gay dudes. They usually don’t randomly hit on guys, though, as they’re afraid of a negative reaction (ie, a homophobe physically assaulting them)…I’ve also been hit on by quite a few girls, but whatever.

Here’s an example on the gay issue. I was at a movie theater out in the suburbs, nowhere near the gay area of the major city nearby, and I was looking at a movie poster. I had just gotten out of the gym and was wearing shorts & a t-shirt…Behind me, I hear a guy say, in an effeminate voice, “Mmmmm, you look good!”…I go, “Huh?”, and look back. It was a black guy, and he goes, “I meant the movie!”, and he literally skips away while giggling.

Anyway, you have a point about not having yourself in certain locations. That tends to nullify
getting into a given situation, but it’s not foolproof. [/quote]

Great points, however body language and dress is also entailed in “looking gay”. I just do not carry myself in the way that would lend to being hit on by gay men. Now I know this because my wifes uncle is gay and I have asked him. His statement is that I do not look like I would be receptive to an advance from a gay man. I guess cause I shave my head, have a goatee, wear jeans T-Shirts (no high $ T-Shirts), Red wings and look pissed off all the time (I am not very happy guy) but it does keep people at a distance. And your example is not what I would call a true advance, guy made a comment and skipped off.

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You just have a look which makes them scared to go up to you. Either that, or they simply don’t find you attractive (Or attractive enough to react to)…Unless you’re in a “gay area” of the city, they usually aren’t overt and will just do what that guy did at the movie theater, or they’ll try to give eye contact, just stuff to fish for a response.

I don’t go for the metro look or over-dress. If someone finds you attractive, they find you attractive, regardless of your body language.

I’ve had guys scoping me out while I’m on a dinner date with a girl. I’d just be sitting there talking/eating, then the girl I’m on a date with starts telling me, “That guy is checking you out big-time.” I’m focused on the girl when I’m on a date, so I never pay attention and whatever girl I’m with ends up noticing.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve been at a gym locker room and had guys trying to give me eye contact. I just act like I’m not paying attention and go about my way…I have a friend who’s geeky (Not built at all) and in his early 40s. He has noticed old dudes (like 50+) watching him take a shower at the gym. He didn’t care and laughed about it afterwards, but whatever.

Since you seem to be in Dallas, judging by your listed location & avatar, I’ll mention this one gym I’ve been to. It was in Coppell, off 635/MacArthur. I’m working out, and between sets I notice a black dude on the other side of the gym just standing there & looking at me with a beaming smile on his face. He literally did this for 20 minutes straight, after the initial 20 minutes I stopped paying attention…I have girls checking me out at the gym, too, but that black dude was kind of weird. Funny thing about him was he didn’t look “gay” at first glance, he looked straight.

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I don’t know, I think the media propogates this image of family on tv and the men are never worthy of the word. Is media imitating society or vice versa?

also, doesn’t fat increase estrogen production or inhibit Test production. I feel that would lower aggression. We have an entire country that is obese, so as a whole, attitudes are going to tend toward the norm unless one focuses on differentiating themselves. That gives you a whole lot of mentally neutered men and boys out there who think that the movie “what women want” or “hitch” or “insert romantic comedy here” is really what women want.

and then women are going to get frustrated that their men don’t challenge them. read this: http://velocity.T-Nation.com/strength-training-blog/chris-Shugart?s=tlIndexBanner (if people don’t have Eustress (positive challenge) then they will make their own distress)

Great post OG.

Thoughts?

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is your name “chased 1k” or “Chase d1k” lol

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I think the rise young female violence (where the female instigates the violence) is in part due to the fact that people seem to think whatever they want to do is ok, simply because they want to do it, because darn it, they’re so special. Also, as has been pointed out, the lack of meaningful consequences for negative behavior just breeds increasingly worse behavior.

I disagree strongly that violence is always wrong.

I’ve never seen the kind of psycho nut girl violence so many people on these threads have talked about, where the girl attacks a male because she knows he’ll get into serious trouble if he defends himself, but there’s no way I’d just stand there & let one of my guy friends be assaulted that way.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
is your name “chased 1k” or “Chase d1k” lol[/quote]

Yea, thats been my email address since before i knew about l33t sp3@k. (the first 1) I was telling someone over the phone my email address yesterday and thought … damn i am dumb… i must be from pen island or something.