Pussification of Men and Violent Women

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
My oldest niece is like this. She makes the money, owns the house, and hands out the asskickings. She choses men based on her role in the house, not theirs. She likes her guys to be less than average intelligence, chemically dependent, marginally employed, and therefore- easy to manipulate.

I called her on it as cowardice. She does not like to have her authority challenged, and has created a scenario that allows her to completely control her boyfriends, and if they do try to challenge her in any way, she has a number of means to respond including violence.

Her choices and actions look exactly like the ones her mom (my sis) made when she was raising her. It’s as if she is recreating a comfort zone of sorts according to what she saw as normal.

I see it as very unhealthy and lacking in a balanced perspective of what constitutes a healthy relationship. There is a whole assload of dysfunction happening there, but until the consequences of her actions outweigh the reward she seems to get from the situation, she isn’t going to change.[/quote]

That seems like a life I would not want to have. It is like the cycle of violence in abusive homes.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

I live about an hour away LOL.
But really, I work with a lot of gay guys, some are flaming so much it hurts my eyes, but this is the extent of unmanliness I see.
There are some douchebags in my gym but they are all like 15, the rest of the guys there look pretty masculine to me.
I just don’t see it, maybe this is more prevalent in the states?[/quote]

It is awful, but maybe it is more in the states. To be fair to the men, our legal system has a policy of hitting pretty hard on calls of domestic violence and I hate to admit that some women do use it as a tool to get back at men.

Because of that, not that I am saying a man or anyone should be free to hit, there is this sword hanging over the heads of some men where they do worry.

and also a lot of single moms. We have a big problem with dead beat dads and men with tons of “baby mamas”. No good male role models for the younger children.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “alpha male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

It shocks me at how many kids will call CPS on their parents when they want to get back at them. Some children today are so savvy about the system. How does this happen?

[/quote]

To me, society(not just american society) is becoming too much of a nanny state. Many people are living at home with their parents at 30 years old, children are being brought up spoiled to the core, people just keep saying “gimme gimme gimme!”.

There’s no incentive for ANYTHING.

Can’t get a woman? You can buy one on the internet from virtually any suffering country.

Can’t get a job? Fake a disability or go doctor shopping.

Too sad? Here, have a handful of pills that will make you numb.

Can’t lose weight? That’s ok, just go to your therapist, and he still won’t tell you that you have an eating disorder. (Obesity IS an eating disorder)

And these aren’t solutions. They’re sidesteps to the problem.

[dianab]

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

[/quote]

Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.

[debraD]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I agree with men and women being pussies.

But I think this is new behavior.

Do you not think this is new behavior?

Do you think women have always slapped and punched men like this and just that maybe now it is more talked about?

It seems to be new to me.

[/quote]

I punched my dad in the nose when I was 16 so not new to me. He hit me first though. Did I think I was going to get away with anything? Hell no.

Behavior constraints on women have loosened. This is part of it. I don’t see it as a big problem, personally. I hit back. Just like my brother does. As such, if I throw a punch I will get one back.

[debraD]

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “Alpha Male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

Please quantify ‘wimpier’ with real data.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

I live about an hour away LOL.
But really, I work with a lot of gay guys, some are flaming so much it hurts my eyes, but this is the extent of unmanliness I see.
There are some douchebags in my gym but they are all like 15, the rest of the guys there look pretty masculine to me.
I just don’t see it, maybe this is more prevalent in the states?[/quote]

I mean the city, if you want to see the full frontal pussification of men and angry women, indeed, it is in Manhattan.

They sell leashes for men at costco!

[DJHT]

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

[/quote]

Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.[/quote]

Bingo, never been hit on by a gay guy, why? I dont go to gay bars. Sometimes I think people fail to look at themselves, if you are always in the center of drama maybe YOU are the problem.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “Alpha Male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

Please quantify ‘wimpier’ with real data.

[/quote]

Would if i could, but i don’t think I’ve ever even seen let alone heard a survey or study about the subject at hand. I do, however, think that it is right in front of us in everyday life here in America.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

[/quote]

Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.[/quote]

Bingo, never been hit on by a gay guy, why? I dont go to gay bars. Sometimes I think people fail to look at themselves, if you are always in the center of drama maybe YOU are the problem. [/quote]

You don’t have to go to a gay bar to get hit on by a gay guy. Just go to college or walk down the block or past any theatre…

Or you can be like me and just be DEVILISHLY HANDSOME.

[DJHT]

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

So why is it that men on this site seem to keep saying they are either attacked by women or their buddies are being attacked by women and they have all been victims of psycho women punching, kicking, slapping and spitting on them?

[/quote]

Age and socioeconomic status. I do not see crack whores and homeless people giving blow jobs in an alley cause I dont go into those areas. [/quote]

Good point. I tend to hang out with sane people.
I guess that if one was so worried about being hit by a woman and not being able to defend himself without going to jail, then it would be best not to hang out with or around the drama queens and nut jobs.[/quote]

Bingo, never been hit on by a gay guy, why? I dont go to gay bars. Sometimes I think people fail to look at themselves, if you are always in the center of drama maybe YOU are the problem. [/quote]

You don’t have to go to a gay bar to get hit on by a gay guy. Just go to college or walk down the block or past any theatre…

Or you can be like me and just be DEVILISHLY HANDSOME.[/quote]

I read that but sorry man went to college for 14 years also never been hit on and Zoolander I dont look gay so maybe that is the reason why.

[debraD]

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “Alpha Male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

Please quantify ‘wimpier’ with real data.

[/quote]

Would if i could, but i don’t think I’ve ever even seen let alone heard a survey or study about the subject at hand. I do, however, think that it is right in front of us in everyday life here in America.[/quote]

SO you think you see it… see what exactly? A vague description of a highly subjective quality of masculinity in and around some people more and more today as opposed and non quantifiable subjective and also vague description of masculinity as it was in the past (where you didn’t exist to witness first hand and can only observe through mass media…)

It feels like…you’re basing a lot of your opinions on your feelings…maybe you’re right

[dollarbill44]

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

Really, the only time I see this is on the news or the internet and I’m in NYC every day. I don’t think it’s as rampant as people say it is.

I think the phenomenon is more socio-economic than anything and you are getting bigger and bigger women in the lower social classes (whether it is in the ghettos or trailer parks) and this size probably makes them feel more empowered. Combine that with the stunted emotional growth from a lack of positive adult role models and they act like little children when they get frustrated or angry rather than dealing with these feelings as a responsible adult. What do little kids do when they get mad? They pull hair, kick, spit and hit each other.

DB

[dollarbill44]

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

I live about an hour away LOL.
But really, I work with a lot of gay guys, some are flaming so much it hurts my eyes, but this is the extent of unmanliness I see.
There are some douchebags in my gym but they are all like 15, the rest of the guys there look pretty masculine to me.
I just don’t see it, maybe this is more prevalent in the states?[/quote]

Maybe you should talk to some of your fellow T-vixens in the Toronto area. They have complained about the lack of manly men in their areas in the past.

I don’t think it’s just in the U.S. as I work with a lot of Europeans and many of the younger men are pretty feminine too.

DB

[debraD]

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I have never seen this type of behavior from women (punching guys etc). Not in clubs, anywhere.
it’s wrong to hit anyone, unless you have to defend yourself from harm. (I think that was the point of the other thread, regardless of the attackers gender).
I’m not seeing that men are big pussies either. I mean some are and some aren’t, but I’m not seeing an epidemic or anything.[/quote]

You should take a trip to New York haha[/quote]

Really, the only time I see this is on the news or the internet and I’m in NYC every day. I don’t think it’s as rampant as people say it is.

I think the phenomenon is more socio-economic than anything and you are getting bigger and bigger women in the lower social classes (whether it is in the ghettos or trailer parks) and this size probably makes them feel more empowered. Combine that with the stunted emotional growth from a lack of positive adult role models and they act like little children when they get frustrated or angry rather than dealing with these feelings as a responsible adult. What do little kids do when they get mad? They pull hair, kick, spit and hit each other.

DB[/quote]

Well said. If this is a problem for grown adults they need to grow up and get new friends.

[dnlcdstn]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Women get out of hand because they either:
Never have been hit by a man
Think they cannot be hit because they are a girl
Are psycho
Want to get somebody in trouble

Seriously, I wouldn’t spit on a guy or call him out and not expect him to fight me. [/quote]

So you don’t think this has anything to do with the change in men?

What do you think has brought about this new behavior?
[/quote]

The same reason why the younger crowd is a bunch of lazy brats. They don’t get their ass beat when they are young and learn not to respect anyone else.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there. A agree that we are all violent in nature to a certain extent, but I think it is because of societal rules that men are becoming wimpier than usual. Same reason why kids are disrespectful to their parents without consequence, divorce rates are rising, etc.

Everyone’s afraid of what “society” will offer them. If you spank your kid in public, all the sheep look at you like you’re a monster and some will report you to CPS.

If you defend your woman in public, instead of being a good guy, you’re now an “Alpha Male Lunatic” along with being called a nutjob, crazy. Because being non-confrontational is what’s best riiight? Wrong.[/quote]

Please quantify ‘wimpier’ with real data.

[/quote]

Would if i could, but i don’t think I’ve ever even seen let alone heard a survey or study about the subject at hand. I do, however, think that it is right in front of us in everyday life here in America.[/quote]

SO you think you see it… see what exactly? A vague description of a highly subjective quality of masculinity in and around some people more and more today as opposed and non quantifiable subjective and also vague description of masculinity as it was in the past (where you didn’t exist to witness first hand and can only observe through mass media…)

It feels like…you’re basing a lot of your opinions on your feelings…maybe you’re right ;)[/quote]

I understand what you’re saying, so maybe the problem is more apparent where I am.

My dad is a stereotypical manly man, never a sissy-back-down-type, and my mom never was violent or crazy angry towards him, so I didn’t experience this problem firsthand. Perhaps this is why I see it everywhere else? I do not know.

I don’t watch TV regularly other than boxing matches and the occasional UFC match(and sometimes HOUSE), so i’m never really overly exposed to mass media. I do however see a plentiful supply of yelling wives and cowering men in stores like target, shop-rite, costco, wal-mart, etc.

[debraD]

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Maybe you should talk to some of your fellow T-vixens in the Toronto area. They have complained about the lack of manly men in their areas in the past.

DB[/quote]

Women say shit like that to flatter the men they’re talking to. IMHO.

[Sarev0k]

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Women get out of hand because they either:
Never have been hit by a man
Think they cannot be hit because they are a girl
Are psycho
Want to get somebody in trouble

Seriously, I wouldn’t spit on a guy or call him out and not expect him to fight me. [/quote]

So you don’t think this has anything to do with the change in men?

What do you think has brought about this new behavior?
[/quote]

The same reason why the younger crowd is a bunch of lazy brats. They don’t get their ass beat when they are young and learn not to respect anyone else. [/quote]

X2

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Unconstrained by societal rules, we are all violent and we are more alike than different.

And there are ‘pussies’ everywhere.[/quote]

I agree with men and women being pussies.

But I think this is new behavior.

Do you not think this is new behavior?

Do you think women have always slapped and punched men like this and just that maybe now it is more talked about?

It seems to be new to me.

[/quote]

I punched my dad in the nose when I was 16 so not new to me. He hit me first though. Did I think I was going to get away with anything? Hell no.

Behavior constraints on women have loosened. This is part of it. I don’t see it as a big problem, personally. I hit back. Just like my brother does. As such, if I throw a punch I will get one back.[/quote]

I am sorry you were in an abusive home.

I don’t find myself in situations where I have to resort to violence.

I was attacked once, but that wasn’t anything to do on my part.