I have a daughter and the ultra-girlie or sexy stuff is ridiculous.
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My thoughts on Parents who buy this shit for their kids
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
so down[/quote]
HM are you the new SickABs?
I’m just surprised Headhunter hasn’t posted in this thread.
Abercrombie and Fitch also marketed a line of thongs to the 9-11 year old crowd a few years back.
Funny story, a friend had a ten year old daughter who was just DYING to wear a thong. She begged and begged her mom, until finally mom relented. However, mom bought it a size too small, and the day the daughter wore it, she took her around town where they had to walk all day long. The daughter was begging to take it off after the first hour, but her mom told her no, and would not let her adjust it. The daughter came home, threw it in the trash, and has never asked for a thong again. Smart mama.
< Praying for sons.
Speaking of Rihanna, some friends and I stayed down in Florida for a couple days at one of their cousin’s houses. They have two daughters, age 10 and 3. We were sitting in the living room while the parents were away and the 10-year old puts on some music and Rihanna’s “S&M” comes on. She says: “OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS SONG” and starts singing along and dancing in a manner a 10 year-old probably shouldn’t. Her sister starts trying to copy her. We were mortified, I have to wonder how the parents would have reacted.
There’s so many things not right about a little girl singing “Sex in the air I don’t care I love the smell of it.” Agh.
well I DISTINCTLY remember singing those Bangles lyrics “I’m your penis, I’m your fire, whats your vagina” somewhere around sixth grade.
I don’t see why music and performers should be blamed for kids listening to their music. First off, parents need to be role models for kids, not celebrities. Second, celebs aren’t asking to be role models, they are merely hustlers in expensive clothing. Third, singers perform for an adult target audience. But yes, kids will hear the songs too, and the kids happen to like a good beat, just like adults. Does that mean that performers have to only sing songs for Nickelodeon albums? Or should we put all of the performers out of a job? I listen to a lot of songs that aren’t appropriate for kids, but I refuse to have Justin Bieber as my only music of choice because kids have the ability to sing along to S&M.
Certainly parents should be discerning about what their child wears and what they watch and listen to. The problem is you can’t block a child’s hearing.
There is no way I would buy a push-up bra for my kid. I did like that anecdote about the thong. That is a good way to teach a lesson.
Children are more sexualized today with the media and unfortunately circumstances haven’t just affected their though process, hormones and obesity has affected their bodies to the point of early onset puberty. I just read an article on cnn.com of a man impregnating a 9yr old girl. Holey moley, 9yrs old and having a period and being fertile.
It isn’t a good road for all this to be going down.
Marketing companies use campaigns that work so this campaign and these clothes must be selling. Why is that? I don’t know of any parents in my circle that would buy this kinda thing for a young girl. Teenagers are bad enough.
Is it the video culture? Folks want attention? Think of all the folks posting pics and videos of themselves on youtube to get all this public notoriety. Sex sells, and apparently, it runs the market. Stands to reason even youngsters are realizing that the successful people they see are sexy.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
well I DISTINCTLY remember singing those Bangles lyrics “I’m your penis, I’m your fire, whats your vagina” somewhere around sixth grade.[/quote]
When I was a teenager Tipper Gore started the record censoring. Prince’s “Erotic City” was causing all kinds of trouble along with Billy Squier’s “Stroke Me.”
I remember being shocked by my older cousin’s Alice Cooper records.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Certainly parents should be discerning about what their child wears and what they watch and listen to. The problem is you can’t block a child’s hearing.
There is no way I would buy a push-up bra for my kid. I did like that anecdote about the thong. That is a good way to teach a lesson.
Children are more sexualized today with the media and unfortunately circumstances haven’t just affected their though process, hormones and obesity has affected their bodies to the point of early onset puberty. I just read an article on cnn.com of a man impregnating a 9yr old girl. Holey moley, 9yrs old and having a period and being fertile.
It isn’t a good road for all this to be going down.
Marketing companies use campaigns that work so this campaign and these clothes must be selling. Why is that? I don’t know of any parents in my circle that would buy this kinda thing for a young girl. Teenagers are bad enough.
Is it the video culture? Folks want attention? Think of all the folks posting pics and videos of themselves on youtube to get all this public notoriety. Sex sells, and apparently, it runs the market. Stands to reason even youngsters are realizing that the successful people they see are sexy. [/quote]
It all boils down to parenting . I say it started a generation or 2 back, when people my age(im 27 now) started having unprotected sex in high school, and were popping out kids by 18-20. those are the people now raising those kids that are being marketed these products. and its getting worse. Look at that teen mom show on mtv. even with the best intentions, these kids lack the maturity to take care of themselves, let alone the well being of a child.
[quote]dshroy wrote:
It all boils down to parenting . I say it started a generation or 2 back, when people my age(im 27 now) started having unprotected sex in high school, and were popping out kids by 18-20. those are the people now raising those kids that are being marketed these products. and its getting worse. Look at that teen mom show on mtv. even with the best intentions, these kids lack the maturity to take care of themselves, let alone the well being of a child.[/quote]
i dont disagree that its a parenting thing, but people have had unprotected sex for a long time. the difference is, when they had a kid, the got married and it was till death do us part. the broken household with no husband / father started longer ago with our parents generation… im 27 to, but thats how i see it.
I have tried to work through the sexy-grown-up-clothes-for-toddlers thing for a couple of years now. So far I have come up with this. I am open to any other opinions, these are just what I have come up with to this point.
-Guys do not dress sexy so this does not really apply to boys/guys. In other words, what outfit does a man wear (not including costumes) that a little boy could not wear and still look age appropriate?
-While men are doing more parenting than decades past, women are still considered and marketed to as the major purchaser of children’s clothes and accoutrements. So any shifts in little girls clothing is generally a women supported change.
-That said, I think this is both part of the women’s movement and a reaction against changing roles of women in the US.
-I think the pink/princess/must look pretty ideas support ‘traditional’ roles of women as things to be cared for/owned by men. This could be seen as empowerment (claiming control of self as women) but it draws on the symbols of the ‘traditional’ women (pink has been seen as feminine for about a century, it used to be light blue) rather than developing a new lexicon for the gender.
-I think there has been an unfortunate conflation of sexual freedom (the ability to control your sex life) with needing to look sexy (being a ready sex object). These are very different things.
-I think fashion for women has broken down barriers, (i.e. mom’s wear mom jeans, old women wear flowered dresses and shawls,) to where there is fashionable and sexy at every age. This moved up and down the age categories. Now little girls can get the same clothes as their sexy moms.
-I think above statement is whitewashed with, “she looks cute”, and fails to consider any other interpretation. Which is not only negligent but dangerous.
And I think this has something to do with an American culture that has been focused on youth/being young.
That is what I have so far. Any thoughts?
[quote]Solarisol wrote:
I’m confused. Little girls don’t have anything to push up! What age is this marketed towards again?[/quote]
When no market exists, they create one. Just like laws & criminals.
I have a 5 year old and a 3 year old daughter. They are being raised to be little ladies. When there are things that they want to get or watch or listen to, that we don’t think is appropriate, we tell them know and give them and age related explanation as to why.
The major problem is parents aren’t parents anymore. Family and structure are gone. We have bcome so driven my money an things that many parents work two jobs or are single parents. There isn’t enough time to counteract the brainwashing coming from society.
My wife and I made the decision to put our children first, we sold a house that was overly elaborate for an older house with some land in a more conservative area. She quit her job with PWC to be home with them and teach them along with their school education.
It is tough sometimes, not having the same income, ability to do things, but I think in the long run it will be best for them. I have also explained at work, I am salary, I will put in the time I am contracted for but my family especially at this time in their life is my priority.
We also have a 6 month old son, thank GOD science does help with the gender of babies if you use it. (if you want details I will send you the steps we followed for him) But he will be raised a strong male, a gentlemen and will be taught to cherish and respect females.
I realize they are their own individuals, but they will be given our best as parents to try be given some morals and respect for themselves and others.
My parents did this for me, my brothers and sisters. They chose us over money and tried their best. I know I did some bad things and wasn’t perfect, but really appreciate that.
They fought, they had tough times, they scraped by and had to deal with the trouble we caused. But they showed real love, for each other and for us as children. I figure my actions brought about these beautiful little children, the least I can do is my best for them.
Sorry for the rant, this is something I feel strongly about. We have completely altered our lives because we want to try to give our children a chance in this society, we even took my parents into our house to share in their lives. when my wife’s father retires, her parents have an open invitation to move to our property and we will do our best to keep the family together and strong. They cared for us, now it is our turn.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I have a 5 year old and a 3 year old daughter. They are being raised to be little ladies. When there are things that they want to get or watch or listen to, that we don’t think is appropriate, we tell them know and give them and age related explanation as to why.
The major problem is parents aren’t parents anymore. Family and structure are gone. We have bcome so driven my money an things that many parents work two jobs or are single parents. There isn’t enough time to counteract the brainwashing coming from society.
My wife and I made the decision to put our children first, we sold a house that was overly elaborate for an older house with some land in a more conservative area. She quit her job with PWC to be home with them and teach them along with their school education.
It is tough sometimes, not having the same income, ability to do things, but I think in the long run it will be best for them. I have also explained at work, I am salary, I will put in the time I am contracted for but my family especially at this time in their life is my priority.
We also have a 6 month old son, thank GOD science does help with the gender of babies if you use it. (if you want details I will send you the steps we followed for him) But he will be raised a strong male, a gentlemen and will be taught to cherish and respect females.
I realize they are their own individuals, but they will be given our best as parents to try be given some morals and respect for themselves and others.
My parents did this for me, my brothers and sisters. They chose us over money and tried their best. I know I did some bad things and wasn’t perfect, but really appreciate that.
They fought, they had tough times, they scraped by and had to deal with the trouble we caused. But they showed real love, for each other and for us as children. I figure my actions brought about these beautiful little children, the least I can do is my best for them.
Sorry for the rant, this is something I feel strongly about. We have completely altered our lives because we want to try to give our children a chance in this society, we even took my parents into our house to share in their lives. when my wife’s father retires, her parents have an open invitation to move to our property and we will do our best to keep the family together and strong. They cared for us, now it is our turn.
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Nice Rant! I am serious too, having girls of my own i feel the same way you do on the topics you hit on. Wish more parents out there were like that.
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]dshroy wrote:
It all boils down to parenting . I say it started a generation or 2 back, when people my age(im 27 now) started having unprotected sex in high school, and were popping out kids by 18-20. those are the people now raising those kids that are being marketed these products. and its getting worse. Look at that teen mom show on mtv. even with the best intentions, these kids lack the maturity to take care of themselves, let alone the well being of a child.[/quote]
i dont disagree that its a parenting thing, but people have had unprotected sex for a long time. the difference is, when they had a kid, the got married and it was till death do us part. the broken household with no husband / father started longer ago with our parents generation… im 27 to, but thats how i see it.[/quote]
the broken household is more rampant now than ever before. I think that these issues have alot to do with the pussification of man combined with the single mom left to raise the children. I do agree that both circumstances have been around for a while, but now we are REALLY starting to see the results of that.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have tried to work through the sexy-grown-up-clothes-for-toddlers thing for a couple of years now. So far I have come up with this. I am open to any other opinions, these are just what I have come up with to this point.
-Guys do not dress sexy so this does not really apply to boys/guys. In other words, what outfit does a man wear (not including costumes) that a little boy could not wear and still look age appropriate?
-While men are doing more parenting than decades past, women are still considered and marketed to as the major purchaser of children’s clothes and accoutrements. So any shifts in little girls clothing is generally a women supported change.
-That said, I think this is both part of the women’s movement and a reaction against changing roles of women in the US.
-I think the pink/princess/must look pretty ideas support ‘traditional’ roles of women as things to be cared for/owned by men. This could be seen as empowerment (claiming control of self as women) but it draws on the symbols of the ‘traditional’ women (pink has been seen as feminine for about a century, it used to be light blue) rather than developing a new lexicon for the gender.
-I think there has been an unfortunate conflation of sexual freedom (the ability to control your sex life) with needing to look sexy (being a ready sex object). These are very different things.
-I think fashion for women has broken down barriers, (i.e. mom’s wear mom jeans, old women wear flowered dresses and shawls,) to where there is fashionable and sexy at every age. This moved up and down the age categories. Now little girls can get the same clothes as their sexy moms.
-I think above statement is whitewashed with, “she looks cute”, and fails to consider any other interpretation. Which is not only negligent but dangerous.
And I think this has something to do with an American culture that has been focused on youth/being young.
That is what I have so far. Any thoughts?
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hhmmm… perhaps in two parent homes men are doing more parenting, but… there isn’t so much of that anymore. Either there is divorce or the “baby mama” and “baby daddy” crap that I am so sick of hearing about.
I worked family law,… not a lot of daddy’s taking care in so many situations.
In regards to sexual freedom, … . I don’t care if it makes me a prude but I don’t want my young children to be engaging in that. Wait until they are 40yrs old just like me!
I was speaking with a friend of my late grandmother’s and she did say the 1920’s were much like this. Although she did say women got married or adopted out the babies back then.
Maybe things really are just cyclical and I am just not so happy with this cycle. And I don’t even know if it is unhappy, it is just such a disappointment for the kids.
Man I had so much fun just “petting” and fooling around but now it seems like kids go from “Hi my name is…” to sucking dick and getting fucked. Much like anyone’s first date these days.
Please tell me Pleasantville is real.