[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If you did it on my dime you should kiss my ass .
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This is why socialism is so loved-it’s like a passive-aggressive form of slavery.[/quote]
Sorry Nick , we disagree .
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No, we don’t. All one has to do is read your above statement, then read all of your pro-socialism arguments to see that we do not. My statement may be honest, while yours are camouflaged by the myth of altruism, but we do not disagree.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I don’t want to burst your bubble , but the only thing you have over any one , I heard you debase , is your education .[/quote]
This, and you are a fucking joke.
I’m a CPA that works in the industry. As in, I not only audit, review, do the tax work for, but advise people in management positions on a daily basis. I’m also involved in the management of the firm I work for.
So, when I say I have more real world experience than Zep up there, and particularly you, in the day to day, year over year and company to company operations of a business, and the economics of said business, I’m not being arrogant, I’m being honest.
I literally do what we are talking about for a living.
I fucking talk to CEO’s and equivalents on a daily fucking basis.
YOu, yet again, have zero fucking clue what you are talking about.
[quote] If Mom and Dad bought that for you ,You should kiss their ass . If you did it on my dime you should kiss my ass . If you did it on your own kudos .
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God you are an ugly person.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I don’t want to burst your bubble , but the only thing you have over any one , I heard you debase , is your education .[/quote]
This, and you are a fucking joke.
I’m a CPA that works in the industry. As in, I not only audit, review, do the tax work for, but advise people in management positions on a daily basis. I’m also involved in the management of the firm I work for.
So, when I say I have more real world experience than Zep up there, and particularly you, in the day to day, year over year and company to company operations of a business, and the economics of said business, I’m not being arrogant, I’m being honest.
I literally do what we are talking about for a living.
I fucking talk to CEO’s and equivalents on a daily fucking basis.
YOu, yet again, have zero fucking clue what you are talking about.
[quote] If Mom and Dad bought that for you ,You should kiss their ass . If you did it on my dime you should kiss my ass . If you did it on your own kudos .
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God you are an ugly person. [/quote]
You have ,more experience doing tax audits than does Zep…
There is more to life than tax audits …
I am ugly because I criticize your self esteem , so be it
there is much more to business than accounting , we won’t mention life ,
I will remind you the title to this thread is (PUSH FOR HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE)
Not TAX AUDITS AND ACCOUNTING 101
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You have ,more experience doing tax audits than does Zep…[/quote]
Let me slow it down for you…
I do audit work across various industry.
I do review work across various industry.
I do other attestation work across various industry.
I do tax work across various industry.
I do advisory services across various industry.
I have been the acting controller for a company for over 5 years, on top of above.
I don’t do tax audits. I work in industry, not for the IRS.
I speak to CEO’s, and people that paid more in 4th quarter estimates last year than you will make in your lifetime on a regular basis. I speak with brothers swinging a hammer to feed his kids, on a regular basis. I speak with, consult with, advise, and converse with people of differing wealth levels in charge of various businesses on a daily basis.
In short, I do a whole lot more than you think, because you don’t know what you are talking about.
As far as “there is more to business than accounting”. You don’t even understand the basics of either, pardon me while I point this out to anyone that might be foolish enough to actually listen to a damn thing you have to say on the subject.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am ugly because I criticize your self esteem , so be it
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I don’t know if you are ugly, but your avatar sorta is. That looks like a woman who thinks she is far hotter than she actually is 
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am ugly because I criticize your self esteem , so be it
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I don’t know if you are ugly, but your avatar sorta is. That looks like a woman who thinks she is far hotter than she actually is [/quote]
my wife agrees with you 
I did it because I am labeled kind of such
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
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You are clueless. Absolutely clueless.
But, whatever helps you sleep at night.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
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You said what I wanted to say but I didn’t think it would matter
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
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You said what I wanted to say but I didn’t think it would matter :)[/quote]
Probably not sadly, but it really is like comparing your local public defender attorney to partners at Sullivan and Cromwell…or better yet your local small town business contract analyst to a partner at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Probably not sadly, but it really is like comparing your local public defender attorney to partners at Sullivan and Cromwell…or better yet your local small town business contract analyst to a partner at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.
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Hah. Yeah, he’s talking about hiring the people that I have to tell day in and day out they are fucking up something and don’t know what they are doing and trying to say that’s what Beans and I do.
There’s no comparison.
Beans isn’t joking when he says there is a huge shortage of qualified people. I know a ton of CPAs who work in industry and have 20+ years of experience who have really no clue what they are doing. They can make their way through the day but that’s about it. Ask for any serious analytical discussion and watch their heads explode.
Thanks guys.
I’m not a partner… Yet.
Working on it though. Have a fund raiser tonight in fact.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Beans isn’t joking when he says there is a huge shortage of qualified people. I know a ton of CPAs who work in industry and have 20+ years of experience who have really no clue what they are doing. They can make their way through the day but that’s about it. Ask for any serious analytical discussion and watch their heads explode.[/quote]
Yeah, I mean we try and acquire firms run by people like this. Our firm is deceptively small. If you were to take a survey, you would think we are regional with the clients we service, but we just have less ofthem, so we aren’t.
The major difference comes in to the price. People like Z is talking about, and likely Pitt will do your return, charge you $300 and that is that. We aren’t like that. We don’t touch anything for less than a set amount. I don’t care how easy your individual is, we won’t do it for less than $500. (Unless you are part of a corporate group.) We won’t touch Corps (unless you are a good lead/give referrals out the wazoo) for less than 2.5k-5k.
But we do more than compliance. We are a member of the team, a business partner in your success. We aren’t CPA as much as businessmen who have CPA licenses. You don’t pay us to see us once a year, you pay us to service you. Monthly, weekly and even daily calls and consultations are normal place around here.
We bring a lot to the table, and we are expensive because of it. Other places, other CPA’s would fail in our environment. Because past year 5, you have to be a businessman/woman, and the numbers start becoming secondary…
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
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My accountant is a pretty impressive person , He is a professional athlete and owns 3 retail outlets in 2 different markets . My Ins man is a fucking genius
Let me ask you , Do you feel Beans is so GREAT that we all should treat him different than he treats others ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
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My accountant is a pretty impressive person , He is a professional athlete and owns 3 retail outlets in 2 different markets . My Ins man is a fucking genius
Let me ask you , Do you feel Beans is so GREAT that we all should treat him different than he treats others ?
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Nope, and I don’t. I disagree with beans on some things as well.
Problem is, though, you don’t bother to try to understand the facts or reason. You put up drive-by graphs, don’t understand what they say, ignore plain evidence when its in your face, and generally don’t consider anything but your own pre-made, prejudiced opinion.
That’s pretty aggravating to somebody with experience in the field, AND business experience. It pretty much sums up my reaction to people who don’t know a fucking thing about biochemistry or biophysics and yet feel qualified to tell me I’m wrong about research topics when they can’t even tell me the names of the molecules involved or the basic mechanisms of action within the experiment under question. Or, hell, even the periodic table.
There are plenty of smart people who disagree with beans, but they can offer reasonably researched opinion along with source data and understand the arguments he presents…along with knowing why a set of data says what it says. You, as far as I can tell, do neither.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Pitt: Your criticism of Beans’ experience is really unwarranted. You really don’t have a clear understanding of what audit requires. You are required to have intimate knowledge of the business: How it’s ran, risks, processes, etc. We typically know more about a client’s business and industry than they know. And our knowledge goes across industries. In my 6 years in audit, I’ve worked with/consulted/audited companies from $500k/year in revenues, to $60B/year in revenues, public companies, private companies, government agencies (local, state, and federal), non-profits, international, hospitals, manufacturers, service providers, financial entities, blah blah blah.
Add on top of that 40+ hours a year in business training, advanced degrees, sitting in senior board meetings, discussing things with regulators, and having access to every type of subject matter expert out there, you’d be surprised at what “Accounting” really means.
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My criticism of beans is his ego and if you ask him he will tell you the Democrats are the elitists .
I respect his knowledge of the tax code . But if he knew it all about all aspects in business he would be controlling a conglomerate not just one aspect of business.
I have seen many businesses and have owned 4 different6 businesses and will probably own more . I hire an accountant and pay him well but I would no more let him run a business of mine that I would let my Insurance man . [/quote]
The problem is you think beans is like your accountant, just doing the tax returns on a local business, when the truth of the matter is that beans is a partner in a firm–not a regular joe local CPA accountant–and is the guy that companies like ConAgra call in to help them make sense of things.
In other words, he IS the guy that CEOs ask to streamline their businesses. If a guy worth the kind of money that Mitt Romney is asks beans to help him fix his businesses and/or personal fortune, I’m fairly certain to completely 100% convinced that he knows more about business than you do.
You’re comparing the equivalent of a high school baseball player to a starting MLB pitcher.
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My accountant is a pretty impressive person , He is a professional athlete and owns 3 retail outlets in 2 different markets . My Ins man is a fucking genius
Let me ask you , Do you feel Beans is so GREAT that we all should treat him different than he treats others ?
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Nope, and I don’t. I disagree with beans on some things as well.
Problem is, though, you don’t bother to try to understand the facts or reason. You put up drive-by graphs, don’t understand what they say, ignore plain evidence when its in your face, and generally don’t consider anything but your own pre-made, prejudiced opinion.
That’s pretty aggravating to somebody with experience in the field, AND business experience. It pretty much sums up my reaction to people who don’t know a fucking thing about biochemistry or biophysics and yet feel qualified to tell me I’m wrong about research topics when they can’t even tell me the names of the molecules involved or the basic mechanisms of action within the experiment under question. Or, hell, even the periodic table.
There are plenty of smart people who disagree with beans, but they can offer reasonably researched opinion along with source data and understand the arguments he presents…along with knowing why a set of data says what it says. You, as far as I can tell, do neither.[/quote]
My problem with your analogy is we are not talking about tax code . We are talking a deteriorating middle class being sucked down the same hole the poor are in .
You want me to roll over and believe everything beans says . Believe but beans is probably at this time the most partisan person on this board . Meaning he lack objectivity
I know I do not always have time to read everything thrust at me . what can I say
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
My problem with your analogy is we are not talking about tax code . [/quote]
Holy fucking shit.
You’ve been told, over and over, my experience and knowledge base isn’t limited to tax.
Not to mention you ignore me and act like you know more than I do when we talk about tax.
At this point your rambling amounts to butthurt where you are blatantly making this up to try and backup whatever nonsense is coming out of your mouth.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Most CEO’s average a 4 year tenure, so not even 1 decade so your point is moot.
Read share holder first corporate business philosophy for a greater understanding of how the real world works.
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So you make an accusation (that CEO’s wouldn’t gear towards short term profits because of their potential to earn more by lasting decades at current employer) and we are supposed to just believe you because of your profession? Yet the average is a 4 year tenure.
ummm… Seeing what I do for a living, I’m going to go out on that proverbial limb and assume I have a much better understanding of how the real world works than you do.
Nice appeal to authority though. [/quote]