Puppycide in Austin

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

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Weellll, because I do not believe any highly unlikely scenario that would absolve someone in uniform of his highly fucked up actions.

I listen to bullshit, once, maybe twice and then my default position is “my, look at these bullshitters”.

I know that there is something wrong with me, the magic of state issued costumes has lost its luster for me.[/quote]
At least you know you are playing dumb I guess.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
And for the record, he was responding to the report of an alleged violent situation. He was not, in fact responding to an actually violent situation.

Not really sure how this argues your point but rather mine. He was responding to a violent situation.

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No, he wasn’t. There was no violence except the violence he committed. My point is that he did all of this NOT KNOWING if it was a violent situation. Which is quite a different thing that actually knowingly entering a violent situation. Cause after all, the guy could be completely innocent and he could possibly have the wrong address.

A citizen in that situation still does not have legal justification for drawing and/or using a firearm. You will go to jail for it. It is legal president in this state.

But again, simply drawing a gun or even exposing it or reaching for it that is in no way threatening is aggravated assault and you’d go to jail.

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post came before mine so it may not make sense until you read up one post.[/quote]

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

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Weellll, because I do not believe any highly unlikely scenario that would absolve someone in uniform of his highly fucked up actions.

I listen to bullshit, once, maybe twice and then my default position is “my, look at these bullshitters”.

I know that there is something wrong with me, the magic of state issued costumes has lost its luster for me.[/quote]
At least you know you are playing dumb I guess.[/quote]

No, I dont.

You get the benefit of the doubt once or twice, then you no longer do.

I believe that for someone with a badge and a gun the normal rules of the adult world apply.

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[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

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Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Totally - I’m sure it was absolutely necessary to blow that fuckin dog away since he could have received a little bite on his leg.

It’s not like he could have chosen a less aggressive route - like maybe pepper spray or say not walking into the (completely innocent/had NOTHING to do with the actual complaint) guys yard with his gun drawn - loaded for proverbial bear.

Excuses and bullshit - another overly-aggressive cop who does some sick, fucked up shit (you know, like blasting a huge hole in the family dog right in the owner’s driveway here in the goddamned good ole US of A) and then acts COMPLETELY unaccountable for it.

I guaran-fucking-tee if something like this ever happened to you I doubt you’d be so cavalier about it. It’s horrible when your home is invaded like that and then even more so (after this prick points his gun at the totally innocent guy - cause that was necessary too I’m sure - guy probably had a garden hose in his hand after all) brutally kills a beloved family dog. Yea, that’s not traumatic at all. [/quote]

Once again someone who has no real experience in the situation saying they could have done something different. He was responding to a violent situation, came up on someone who very well could have been the violator, a dog came around the corner barking and coming toward him. A decision had to be made - do it get bit and risk having to dog continue to bite me while this person who may have just violently assaulted his girlfriend uses the opportunity to attack me as well. (remembering that every time a cop shows up they bring a gun the the situation) or do I address the threat. I am not acting cavalier about it. I have said numerous times the cop made a mistake in how he dealt with the aftermath. Sorry but if it had happened to me I would feel badly for my dog (see the avatar) and realize how the situation went down from the other viewpoint.
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In Tennesse, I can have someone punching me in the face and break my nose and it doesn’t legally constitute a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm. But you are right a dog, on it’s own property, barking at me, fear of serious bodily harm?

And for the record, he was responding to the report of an alleged violent situation. He was not, in fact responding to an actually violent situation.

I wonder what would happen if we broke down doors and flowed water when we just had reports of fire (probably 80-90% of fire calls), but no actual confirmation.[/quote]
Well, you sure as shit wouldn’t get shot in the face for being wrong.

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[quote]orion wrote:

You get the benefit of the doubt once or twice, then you no longer do.

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You know he’s done a similar thing more than twice?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in…[/quote]

And possibly, the life of a woman already bleeding out in a back bedroom. According to the story it seems the officer and dispatcher had the right address. The woman who was calling for help supposedly gave the wrong address. I’m sure there’s a recording to verify.
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I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

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Yeah, no shit. Had the woman been bleeding to death in the kitchen and the cop took his time cooing and calming a dog, civilly talking to a murderer and laughingly entered the home in a jolly good mood to find a dead woman he would’ve been a super hero.

Whoever gave false info is to blame, not the cop.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

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Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You get the benefit of the doubt once or twice, then you no longer do.

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You know he’s done a similar thing more than twice?
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I know that he identifies with a group that uses marked cars, gangs signs and clothing, is habitually armed and known to rough up people.

So yes, I know that “they”, have done this before.

Google puppicide and it could take you some time to find this case.

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[quote]orion wrote:

It does not matter why he did it.[/quote]

Of course it does. You don’t even believe this.

And, apparently, HE was at the right address (the one reported). Being a 911 call, I’m sure it was recorded.

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[quote]orion wrote:

I know that he identifies with a group that uses marked cars, gangs signs and clothing, is habitually armed and known to rough up people. [/quote]

Why, because he’s black?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he was responding to a dog attack or not. Even if he was responding to a cat stuck in a tree and a dog decided to attack the situation would be what it was, an attacking dog, regardless of the original call. Moot point.

And while dogs are sensitive to strangers on their territory, especially with a “master” around, they certainly do respond to things such as voice tone, facial features, body language and even smell hormones indicating fight or flight responses humans can’t sense.

A pizza guy may have to fight off a dog wanting pizza but a tense, scared, aggressively positioned police officer would have to fight off a dog in defense mode.

What you are alleging is comparable to saying petting a dog and punching it beget the same response. Also a moot point.[/quote]

Weird, firefighters in strange clothing and equipment pumped up on adrenaline break down doors and enter property with dogs and owners in distress all the time and manage not to shoot them.

People have arguments with their neighbors all the time and manage not to shoot pets.

And you are right that dogs respond to fight or flight in humans, which I’m sure a pizza guy would have if a big dog came toward them, but they manage not to shoot them.[/quote]
And you, too, are intentionally ignoring context to support a bullshit point. Cool story. Come back relevant.

Firemen encounter people and dogs far beyond any kind of “fight” response and fully in to “flight” mode. Moot point. And I would be everything I own dogs have interfered with fire rescue operations and probably should’ve been shot considering.

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Both of these statements are bullshit. And it’s obvious you don’t have an understanding of the role and purpose of the fire service. Protection of property, not only including, but even especially, beloved pets, is one of the fundamental tasks of the fire service.

Bullshit.

ah, but he wasn’t running into that situation.

By defining the role of fire service, you realize you are not a cop, yes? You are charged with different responsibilities and trained to react to situations differently? Apples and oranges.

Bullshit what? Dogs recognize neighbors or don’t bite them? Dogs do recognize neighbors. Dogs also bite neighbors. Are you seriously going to argue either point?

No, the cop wasn’t actually at the right house; whose fault that is remains to be seen. It’s a good thing you have fantastic hindsight. If only you could package it in to a crystal ball you’d be a billionaire for sure.

You are trying to argue a situation without even addressing the most important point of view leading up to the dead dog which simply won’t work.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

It does not matter why he did it.[/quote]

Of course it does. You don’t even believe this.

And, apparently, HE was at the right address (the one reported). Being a 911 call, I’m sure it was recorded.

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No, he was at the address reported. The right address would have contained an armed man endangering a woman.

Anyone who responds to 911 calls should know you have to take what a witness reports with 1 or 2 … million grains of salt.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I know that he identifies with a group that uses marked cars, gangs signs and clothing, is habitually armed and known to rough up people. [/quote]

Why, because he’s black?

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Is he?

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A citizen in that situation still does not have legal justification for drawing and/or using a firearm. You will go to jail for it. It is legal president in this state.

I would really have to argue that one. I am not in TN but the law is the law pretty much everywhere. If you are getting beaten and can argue that you are in reasonable fear of your life you can take action to protect yourself. This being said, in must be reasonable so if a small woman has broken your nose you cannot shoot her, but if you are a large man and break a small woman’s nose and continue to beat her she can ague reasonable fear of loss of life.

But again, simply drawing a gun or even exposing it or reaching for it that is in no way threatening is aggravated assault and you’d go to jail.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

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Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.

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Houston Guy
I am glad you see the issue for what it is here, seeing we did not see eye to eye on RG-III vs Luck. Oh sorry football season has not started. HA

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“I would really have to argue that one. I am not in TN but the law is the law pretty much everywhere. If you are getting beaten and can argue that you are in reasonable fear of your life you can take action to protect yourself. This being said, in must be reasonable so if a small woman has broken your nose you cannot shoot her, but if you are a large man and break a small woman’s nose and continue to beat her she can ague reasonable fear of loss of life.”

You’d lose here. A broken nose while getting beaten up is not legally sufficient.

“That is brandishing a firearm and is illegal in every state.”

It is aggravated assault in TN. And it isn’t illegal everywhere, unless you are saying this cop should be charged with it. He pulled a gun on an unarmed and nonthreatening person who he didn’t know to have done anything at all wrong.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Houston Guy
I am glad you see the issue for what it is here, seeing we did not see eye to eye on RG-III vs Luck. Oh sorry football season has not started. HA[/quote]
Sorry man, I think you’ve got the wrong guy. I’m not in the football thread.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

“I would really have to argue that one. I am not in TN but the law is the law pretty much everywhere. If you are getting beaten and can argue that you are in reasonable fear of your life you can take action to protect yourself. This being said, in must be reasonable so if a small woman has broken your nose you cannot shoot her, but if you are a large man and break a small woman’s nose and continue to beat her she can ague reasonable fear of loss of life.”

You’d lose here. A broken nose while getting beaten up is not legally sufficient.

“That is brandishing a firearm and is illegal in every state.”

It is aggravated assault in TN. And it isn’t illegal everywhere, unless you are saying this cop should be charged with it. He pulled a gun on an unarmed and nonthreatening person who he didn’t know to have done anything at all wrong.
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He pulled his gun based on the info he had. Not sure how many people you have seen get arrested but guns when there is an element of violence - DV call.

You may be correct State Laws can be very strange in some areas. I lived in AR and there are some very old laws on the books still. The violation of brandishing a firearm does not apply when in the line of duty. I know of a cop who off duty was being hazed by a bunch of HS kids following him and yelling for him to get out of the car. He pulled his weapon and showed it thru the window, not pointing directly at them, but he was charged and eventually fired. Cops are not above the law and several loose their jobs for doing stupid stuff.